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PostSubject: Collecta Markhor and Blackbuck: size comparison photos   Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:31 pm

Two wonderful figures of one of my favorite Asian species have supplemented my collection recently.
Both of them were scrupulously reviewed here by Kikimalou - [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. I'd like to share a couple of pics, too.

It finally happened! With Collecta Blackbuck entering the market those abundant Bengal tiger figurines have a prey at last!
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The Markhor is really magnificent:
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By the way, does the scale of these two goats correlate with real-life species? Or is Schleich's ibex a bit larger than it should be?

And this is how my newcomers look next to other Collecta and Schleich ungulates:
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Waterbuck is so obviously larger... Is it really so in the wild?

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PostSubject: Re: Collecta Markhor and Blackbuck: size comparison photos   Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:56 pm

Congratulations Very Happy cheers 
And Thank you for the pictures. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Collecta Markhor and Blackbuck: size comparison photos   Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:03 am

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By the way, does the scale of these two goats correlate with real-life species? Or is Schleich's ibex a bit larger than it should be?

Waterbuck is so obviously larger... Is it really so in the wild?
The Blackbuck is approximately between scale 1:13 and 1:18
The Markhor is approximately between scale 1:16 and 1:22
The Waterbuck is approximately 1:18 - 1:20 - yes, waterbucks are considerably larger than Black Wildebeest, Roe Deer, Black buck, and Marhor.

So all of them are in scale, technically; however, the Markhor would be a small one, while the Blackbuck would be the maximum size and the Waterbuck would be considered smaller than average.  I don't specifically remember the Schleich Ibex's scale range, but I have mine displayed with the 1:15 figures, so it leads me to believe that it is approximately 1:15 or so.  Therefore, if my memory is serving me well, the Ibex is only in scale with the Blackbuck.

The Papo Tiger is roughly 1:16 to 1:18, so again, it fits with all three, but next to the Markhor it is a maximum sized tiger compared to a smaller-than-average Markhor.  I honestly don't remember the scale of the Schleich Tigers pictured, but the newer Schleich Tigers are approximately 1:17 to 1:19; I believe the older ones were closer to 1:20 or 1:21 scale, but again, I don't remember.
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PostSubject: Re: Collecta Markhor and Blackbuck: size comparison photos   Tue Oct 08, 2013 6:19 am

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By the way, does the scale of these two goats correlate with real-life species? Or is Schleich's ibex a bit larger than it should be?

Waterbuck is so obviously larger... Is it really so in the wild?
The Blackbuck is approximately between scale 1:13 and 1:18
The Markhor is approximately between scale 1:16 and 1:22
The Waterbuck is approximately 1:18 - 1:20 - yes, waterbucks are considerably larger than Black Wildebeest, Roe Deer, Black buck, and Marhor.
The waterbuck is a smaller species of antelope, it is much smaller then a wildabeest, water bucks are about 135 cm at the shoulder while wildabeest is 200 cm (2 m) at the shoulder, a noticeable difference.  Markhor and Iberian ibex, the probable species Schleich is depicting, are about the same size, both stand right around 115 cm at the shoulder.

On the scales, while it is true that there is a range for a species, so on the markhor for instance, individuals could fall into the scales between 1:16-1:22, the model is of an adult male with trophy length horns so correctly it would be 1:16, at 1:22 it would be a giant individual for a full sized male.  I am taking your measurements at a guess, I don't own this model so I can't give an accurate scale without the actual measurement from the hoof to shoulder.

The same will be true for every figure, you have to determine what you are looking at to come up with an accurate scale, measure the ground to shoulder height and the head and body length (no tail) to be completely sure of the scale. This also only works if the model is physically accurate, if the proportions are wrong the scale will be wrong. Remember, males are bigger then females, young can't be put into scales accurately and usually models depict the larger, healthiest individuals rather then sickly or undersized ones so it is safest to go with the maximum sizes when calculating scales.
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PostSubject: Re: Collecta Markhor and Blackbuck: size comparison photos   Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:08 am

Thank you for the pics:-)

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PostSubject: Re: Collecta Markhor and Blackbuck: size comparison photos   Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:23 am

Black Wildebeest - Shoulder Ht: 90-120cm, SVL: 170-220cm.
CollectA Wildebeest - Shoulder Ht: 70mm, SVL: 100mm. Scale is 1:17. (A very inconvenient scale)

[actual sizes are from Ultimate Ungulate. Wikipedia says Black Wildebeest can be over 2m at the shoulder, but that would make them around the same height as American Bison, which they definitely are not.]

Waterbuck - Shoulder Ht: 100-130cm, SVL: 180-220cm.
CollectA Waterbuck - Shoulder Ht: 68mm, SVL: 105mm. Scale: 1:17-1:20

Black Wildebeest weigh up to 396 lbs, while Waterbuck weigh up to 550 pounds. Waterbuck are considerably larger than Black Wildebeest.

Markhor - Shoulder Ht: 65-115cm, SVL: 132-186cm.
CollectA Markhor - Shoulder Ht: 52mm, SVL: 80mm. Scale: 1:16 - 1:22.

Markhors weigh up to 242 lbs, considerably smaller than the Wildebeest and the Waterbuck. I don't have my measurements for the Schliech Ibex at present, but, as I said, at some point I must have calculated it to be around 1:15.
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PostSubject: Re: Collecta Markhor and Blackbuck: size comparison photos   Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:00 am

Very, very interesting !!!

Thankyou Kirill for the great pictures and for starting the subject !

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PostSubject: Re: Collecta Markhor and Blackbuck: size comparison photos   Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:40 am

Sphyrna18, I used the reference book MAMMALS OF AFRICA by Haltenorth and Diller, and while I did misquote the shoulder height of the wildebeest as 200 cm, the correct shoulder height is still taller at 150 cm, not 120 as you reference states, I have worked with both species and a wildebeest is definitely larger then a waterbuck by a noticeable amount, although they do have a similar average weight.

On the scales you have to take the individual model to be accurate, normally model makers and sculptors would not use the smallest average measurements for an adult as 65 cm for this model, it is a full sized male so they use the 115 cm as the size to determine scale. A 65 cm individual would be an adult female or young male, making the scale for this particular model 1:16.

By the way, a bison is not nearly as big as most people think, very few bulls are huge but the average bull and the cows are smaller, I've seen many horses that are taller, though they out weigh a horse by several times.  The average bison never reaches 5 ft tall at the shoulder, and only the dominant bulls ever approach 6'ft.  There was up until last year a small herd of about 12-15 pure bison right up the road from my house (and even closer to other Phil's, Shcleich61's house) that people could visit anytime a calf was born.  Here is a link to a bison breeder, the last photo on the page shows a man in an crouched position and he is not that much shorter then the bison cow at the shoulder hump, if he stood up he would be taller then her giving you a good size comparison of the average bison, you can also see the size difference in the bulk of the bull behind the two of them, it is bigger by a little but just look at the bulk, he outweighs them by a lot!
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EDIT:I have to appologize again, I thought the model was of a blue wildebeest, I must be tired, you're correct, the waterbuck is larger then a black wildebeest, and your adult sizes are correct for that species.
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PostSubject: Re: Collecta Markhor and Blackbuck: size comparison photos   Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:39 am

Thank you for your measurement comments!

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PostSubject: Re: Collecta Markhor and Blackbuck: size comparison photos   Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:16 pm

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OH - poor Blackbuck! silent Might not have been what he expected when arriving in a collection! Very Happy 

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PostSubject: Re: Collecta Markhor and Blackbuck: size comparison photos   Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:39 pm

Great looking collection of antelope, congratulations on the new arrivals!

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PostSubject: Re: Collecta Markhor and Blackbuck: size comparison photos   Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:11 pm

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OH - poor Blackbuck! silent Might not have been what he expected when arriving in a collection! Very Happy 
OHH! Yes ! How cruel Sad 
Perhaps they give up when they see he is made from plastic ? Shocked Shocked Wink 

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PostSubject: Re: Collecta Markhor and Blackbuck: size comparison photos   Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:15 pm

When I saw the picture of the Schleich Ibex, I thought for a second that it was the new one from Bullyland Very Happy 

Look how similar they are, - only the proportions are much better on the one from Bullyland. He is made in Tunesia, btw Wink 
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A real ibex to compare with...
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PostSubject: Re: Collecta Markhor and Blackbuck: size comparison photos   Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:30 am

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OH - poor Blackbuck! silent Might not have been what he expected when arriving in a collection! Very Happy 
OHH! Yes ! How cruel Sad 
Perhaps they give up when they see he is made from plastic ? Shocked Shocked Wink 
And they discover their own teeth are not sharp at all! Especially new Schleich Panther must have many dissapointing moment when he's out hunting cyclops 
Anyway we should maybe appreciate that our little animals are just plastic. Imagine the chaos if they over night turned into real little animals.. Or maybe the real sized ones?

Sorry.. Red too many stories Razz 

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PostSubject: Re: Collecta Markhor and Blackbuck: size comparison photos   Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:04 am

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OH - poor Blackbuck! silent Might not have been what he expected when arriving in a collection! Very Happy 
OHH! Yes ! How cruel Sad 
Perhaps they give up when they see he is made from plastic ? Shocked Shocked Wink 
And they discover their own teeth are not sharp at all! Especially new Schleich Panther must have many dissapointing moment when he's out hunting cyclops 
Anyway we should maybe appreciate that our little animals are just plastic. Imagine the chaos if they over night turned into real little animals.. Or maybe the real sized ones?

Sorry.. Red too many stories Razz 

I LOVE stories !!! cheers cheers lol! lol! 

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PostSubject: Re: Collecta Markhor and Blackbuck: size comparison photos   Thu Oct 10, 2013 3:51 pm

Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause  Wink Wink 

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