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PostSubject: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:21 pm

Hello friends!

I thought I would share some pictures of my recent project and photos during the work. It's horse (in fact pony) in scale 1:12. It represents Hucul pony, breed which is very close to my heart for several reasons. So first I will try to say few more words about the breed itself (with some help of Wikipedia)

The Hucul or Carpathian is a pony or small horse breed originally from the Carpathian Mountains. It has a heavy build and possesses great endurance and hardiness. The breed is also referred to as the Carpathian pony, Huculska, Hutsul, Huţul, Huţan or Huzul. The breed gets its name from the Hutsul people, who live mostly in the Carpathian's in Ukraine and in Romania, but also in an area in the East Carpathian Mountains north of the river Bistritz, officially named "Huzelei".

The Hucul bears some resemblance to the now-extinct Tarpan.
Hucul ponies are usually calm with a good disposition, and are used for both Hacking and pulling timber in otherwise inaccessible forested areas. They are usually bay, black or the grullo variation of dun, with a dorsal stripe and zebra stripes on the legs characteristic of the breed (wikipedia mention also chestnut but chestnut horses are not registered into stud book, the only exception is red dun). Their conformation traits include a short head with a relatively short neck, compact body, short legs, and sound feet. It's usually between 132 to 145 high at withers.

What I can add to this description from Wikipedia, horses of this breed are very smart, they learn quickly and usually hate to be bored. They love forest walking, have good memory and what I heard from several people-if rider lost it's way Hucul will always easily find the way home Very Happy I knew many horses of this breed, one of my best friends takes care of two mares, she teaches them tricks and they are incredibly fast learning. This breed is very popular in the area I grew up, mainly because it's perfect pony for ride in mountains.

What's interesting, there is a special discipline for these horses, called in Polish "Sciezka Huculska" what means Hucul's Path. It contains for example balance beam of few kinds, some cross style obstacles, and also kind of labyrinth, some very narrow paths etc.

Now I would like to show you some photos of them (what wikipedia offers in matter aren't the best examples IMO.)
Group of them living in Carpathian mountains :)


Some photos from competition  (from website about the breed)



Few Hucul stallions, these I think are really nice looking ponies :)




I think this is one of lovely color Very Happy


And this one too I love you


And this is kind of obstacle I mentioned earlier in this post


And this is my drawing, it shows scale and pose of the future model. Photos of the model itself in the next post Very Happy





The model was changed several times, I once thought it will never be finished but somehow it found its way to Finland, and...
the horse is now a Hucul mare, it is called Wilga and it is a collaborative project with Koni Miniatures and Dark Pegasus Studios and Horse and Bird.



More photos and a story on a page number 5 Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:27 pm

That is going to be a fantastic figure, I love the sketch of the pose! Thanks for the description and history of the breed as well, very informative.
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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:31 pm

Ok, and the sculpture I'm working on. Many things aren't made yet as you can see, legs, hooves, tail and mane. Some things are yet asymmetrical (nostrils), I hope to change it. Anyway I thought I would share it at this stage if some of you want to see the progress (I hope progress) AND comments, and critics are very much welcome. I'm not in hurry, I can still change many things in it, I don't have any time schedule to finish it (in fact I sculpt it mainly for fun). Please horsey people, if you see some anatomy or proportion issues, tell me about it sunny









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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:32 pm

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That is going to be a fantastic figure, I love the sketch of the pose!  Thanks for the description and history of the breed as well, very informative.


Thank you Phil!!! That's very nice words! sunny 

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:42 pm

And here are some more photos yet:


As you see the pose is quite static but I wanted to show some movement in mane and tail  Smile 
It's going to be stallion and scale is 1:12 (scale called Classic in Breyer) It's my first horse figure in this size.









Something silly at the end, sorry, sometimes I play too much with my works Embarassed Say hello to pinky Elvis Wink



He's not going to stay like this of course Suspect 

Oh, and yet two mares: Wania and Wadera. My friend takes care of these two sweet ladies sunny


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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:21 pm

It looks amazing so far Anna! I got a kick out of that last photo with "Pinky Elvis" Laughing This is an interesting breed, I haven't heard of it before. The pose is great, it's standing but the mane and tail in that position give it a sort of majestic look. I enjoy watching the WIP photos, thank you for sharing!
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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:41 pm

Thank you for comments 4U Very Happy I'm glad you find it interesting Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:06 pm

Thank you Ana!Very Happy cheers Cool 
Beautiful project, I always like to see your pictures on your achievement and progression, it encourages me to get into new distribution problems!

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:29 pm

I think a very interesting project Ana !

These are some beautiful pictures of the process for this incredible figure. I'm speechless.Shocked Shocked 

Congratulations !!queen 

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:30 pm

That is a fabulous, small horse, and your model surely does it justice cheers 

Thankyou very much for all the info, and for sharing the progress of your work ! I jsut can't wait to see how it proceeds bounce bounce Very Happy 

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:07 pm

This is wonderful Anna, I love seeing the progress photos and thanks for information on the breed too, it's nice to have a bit of background knowledge of the pony.
Wow, it's going to be big then! This is super! Will you make a mould? Very Happy
I love the sculpt so far, especially the back hind quarters, that is beautifully posed.
What are you sculpting him in? It looks interesting.

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:49 pm

Thank you so much for your comments Jean Luc, Miguel, Susanne and Harriet sunny flower  cheers   sunny 

Harriet I use Sculpey III, in light beige colour. I haven't tried Sculpey Firm yet, I think next time I will buy it to compare. I also use Super Sculpey in some works but this one is made of Sculpey III

And yes, I think I will ask my husband if he can do mould of this work for me when it's finished. Very Happy 
Oh and size it's almost 12cm at shoulders. I will post some photos later compared with something, maybe Schleich figure or so.

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:06 pm

This post is just amazing... First of all big YEEY! for hucul! I really like this breed!
What can I say about your new model? Not much because it´s perfect Very Happy Very Happy  I love the pose... movement of his tail and mane, head is stunning and whole body is concert for my eyes :) Really great horse!! It should be part of new Mojo collection because I really want one in my collection :)

Once again... wonderful work, Anna. Your talent is more and more breathtaking! Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause 

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:18 pm

Wow, how wonderful Anna! Thank you so much for sharing pictures of the figure as you're working on it. It's really interesting to see how things come together.
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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:19 pm

wow cheers it's looking awesome already!!!
I can't wait to see it finished, bounce 
but following the progress is great too, like some sort of illustrated novel Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:27 pm

@Ana wrote:
I use Sculpey III, in light beige colour. I haven't tried Sculpey Firm yet, I think next time I will buy it to compare. I also use Super Sculpey in some works but this one is made of Sculpey III
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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:39 pm

WOW, interesting to se proo at work in progress :)

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:13 pm

Great new model Anna, I especially like the delicate sculpting on the face.
I find these progress photos very interesting and inspiring.
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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:38 pm

Many thanks Ana for your rich and well illustrated presentation of this breed. I had no idea about it. study
This little horse has a more appealing conformation than wild horses and it seems you are already getting a very good shape to it.
I like the way you can give some subtile movement to your figures using ahirs, tails and very simple but balanced poses. cheers
It will be exciting to follow your project! bounce :)

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:51 pm

Looks great as always Anna! Great detail in your work.

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Sat Oct 19, 2013 6:39 am

Beautiful pics of a wonderful model Anna Applause 

I'm a horse Noob so I can't speak about details but I will enjoy this in progress topic sunny 

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:35 am

He is absolutely stunning so far, I especially love the detail put into the face.
Though I do have one small critique, I am no horse expert but his wrist that I circled in the photo below looks like it is protruding a little too much.

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:59 pm

THANK YOU FOR ALL NICE COMMENTS!
I will update this topic soon again :) Your words inspire me to work more Very Happy sunny I'm happy to hear you find this breed of horse interesting too flower 

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This post is just amazing... First of all big YEEY! for hucul! I really like this breed!
How wonderful to hear you like them too! Are Huculs popular also in Czech Republic? Very Happy

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I use Sculpey III, in light beige colour. I haven't tried Sculpey Firm yet, I think next time I will buy it to compare. I also use Super Sculpey in some works but this one is made of Sculpey III
Do you ever have problems with fingerprints using Sculpey III? I often get fingerprints on my newer Sculpey III clays...
Well, I try to not touch the areas where I achieved the texture I wanted. Usually after, let's say, sculpting front half of the animal I bake it and then I can start working on back half of it. That way I always have some areas that are already hard and I can avoid touching soft places unnecessarily. Another way to do it is to sculpt on base which can be removed after finishing work. Smile Smile 

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He is absolutely stunning so far, I especially love the detail put into the face.
Though I do have one small critique, I am no horse expert but his wrist that I circled in the photo below looks like it is protruding a little too much.

Yes, you are absolutely right! Legs require lots of work yet, I will definitely change this part you mentioned. Very Happy  Thank you for this advise!
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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:12 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Sun Oct 20, 2013 1:29 pm

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Harriet I use Sculpey III, in light beige colour. I haven't tried Sculpey Firm yet, I think next time I will buy it to compare. I also use Super Sculpey in some works but this one is made of Sculpey III

And yes, I think I will ask my husband if he can do mould of this work for me when it's finished. Very Happy 
Oh and size it's almost 12cm at shoulders. I will post some photos later compared with something, maybe Schleich figure or so.
Thanks Anna.  So what's Sculpey III like then, the texture and consistency?  Is it hard and good to carve and can you paint it with acrylics after curing?

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Sun Oct 20, 2013 2:01 pm

its looking good so far

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Sun Oct 20, 2013 4:53 pm

It looks incredible, cannot wait to see it finished!

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:45 pm

Thank you Joan, Trevok and Paige! sunny sunny sunny 

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Thanks Anna.  So what's Sculpey III like then, the texture and consistency?  Is it hard and good to carve and can you paint it with acrylics after curing?


Before baking it's soft, maybe even softer than Fimo, it's quite much like Super Sculpey. After baking it's easy to carve, sand and also easy to paint with acrylics or any other paints. :)

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:32 am

This is incredible! I love the eyes particularly - so skilled and beautiful already - they show a lot of alertness.

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:28 pm

I've been browsing a lot of photos of Huculs lately (especially of Hucul's Path Wink ), I'm logging in to the forum and I see this topic Laughing 

The body is a tad too short - right now the model is significantly taller than longer. He should look better if you lengthened his barrel a bit. Huculs, as all primitive breeds, aren't as leggy as e.g. Warmbloods.
Also the hooves look off to me - they are too small and still need some work to improve their shape.
Other than that, he looks fine to me. I love the idea of windblown mane and tail - that always makes even a standing model more interesting Very Happy 

If you want more profound insight, I can send photos of him to my friend who knows a LOT about equine anatomy - maybe she could write more constructive critique for you Wink But she's quite busy with work at the moment so I can't promise quick response from her.

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:18 pm

Thank you for comments Magda and Miss Jane! Very Happy

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I've been browsing a lot of photos of Huculs lately (especially of Hucul's Path Wink), I'm logging in to the forum and I see this topic Laughing 

The body is a tad too short - right now the model is significantly taller than longer. He should look better if you lengthened his barrel a bit.
Also the hooves look off to me - they are too small and still need some work to improve their shape.
Wow, probably you are right, I didn't notice that. I will make some measurements again but perhaps it would be better if I make legs slightly shorter rather than body longer, especially because his head size is on the smaller side. And yes of course, as I mentioned earlier in this topic his legs and hooves are still not done. Especially hooves are at very early stage.


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Other than that, he looks fine to me. I love the idea of windblown mane and tail - that always makes even a standing model more interesting Very Happy 

If you want more profound insight, I can send photos of him to my friend who knows a LOT about equine anatomy - maybe she could write more constructive critique for you ;)But she's quite busy with work at the moment so I can't promise quick response from her.

Btw, are you planning to release him in resin?


It would be extremely nice if your friend could look at this!! However maybe it would be better to send the photos when work will be on more advanced stage?

About copies, yes, there will be mold and copies of this model later. I don't know when, I'm not in hurry. I will write here and on FB when it's done Smile 

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:06 pm

Yes, shortening the legs should improve him as well :)

Btw, you wrote that chestnut is unacceptable in this breed - it's true only for Polish studbook. I've read that they are accepted in Romania,Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary - studbooks in these countries do not accept pinto Huculs which are quite popular in Poland. 

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:12 am

Wow! This model is fantastic!

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:07 pm

Thank you for your comments Magda and Elephants Rule!!!
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Btw, you wrote that chestnut is unacceptable in this breed - it's true only for Polish studbook. I've read that they are accepted in Romania,Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary - studbooks in these countries do not accept pinto Huculs which are quite popular in Poland. 
This is very interesting, I didn't know that! For me bay tobiano Hucul is perhaps the most typical colour :lol:Good to know it's only typical in Poland Very Happy

About his proportion, I'm not sure yet what with those legs. I measured his body length and height and he is 13cm long (of course not counting neck and head) and 12 high at withers so he is even few percent longer than higher. I'm not sure if shortening legs will change his proportion for better or worse scratch Maybe I will do a small simulation in Photoshop  Idea   

Well the work goes slowly further. I still didn't change the legs length and anything below knees and hocks isn't done yet. But I worked on mane and tail a bit. Tail is going to be longer than now but I must do it in two steps, probably the end of tail I will sculpt in different clay: Sculpey firm which I hope allows for creating thinner shapes, I will see (it must arrive first, just ordered today). Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:10 pm

Beautiful work Anna! Applause  cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:47 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:56 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:51 pm

Love this incredible figure Ana !!Very Happy Very Happy
 About Sculpey Firm what are the characteristics of this clay? It is easier to work than Super Sculpey?study 

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:47 pm

@Ana wrote:
About his proportion, I'm not sure yet what with those legs. I measured his body length and height and he is 13cm long (of course not counting neck and head) and 12 high at withers so he is even few percent longer than higher. I'm not sure if shortening legs will change his proportion for better or worse scratch Maybe I will do a small simulation in Photoshop  Idea
I think it's his thick neck that makes his body look a bit out of proportion - his withers aren't so pronounced. On THIS photo he looks OK scratch
Photoshop simulation sound like a great idea - maybe it'll help finding what is off about him :)

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:17 pm

Thank you so much for comments everyone!!!!! cheers cheers flower flower sunny sunny 

@Magda, yes I will play with photos in Photoshop tomorrow, will try with thinner neck and maybe few other options, possibly I will post effects here also.  cyclops

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:19 pm

A beautieful horse Anna, phantastic work Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause 

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:40 pm

He's incredible. I cannot wait to see him done. bounce 

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:01 am

Thank you for comments friends Very Happy cheers 

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Love this incredible figure Ana !!Very Happy Very Happy
 About Sculpey Firm what are the characteristics of this clay? It is easier to work than Super Sculpey?study 

Congratulations again !!

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I forgot to answer. Well, I think Super Sculpey is much softer, however I will tell you for sure when the Sculpey Firm arrives (hopefully today or tomorrow) My hope is, if the Sculpey firm is harder it should also keep the thin shapes better scratch But I must just check it Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:58 pm

OK after some experiments in PS I'm perhaps even more confused about what's correct and what's not. I guess horses' body proportion can vary a lot in different individuals. Well you can see the effects here and judge if any look more or less natural to your eyes? scratch

This is original, not changed horse:


This one has bigger hindquarter and head


This one has thinner neck


And the last one has more rounded belly and hindquarters AND thinner neck


Any ideas?  Very Happy  Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:11 pm

I think the thinner neck looks good, but I'll leave that up to the people much more knowledgeable about horses and their anatomy than me. Wink Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:41 pm

I'm really impressed with all of the detail you get into your animals. The muscles all look so realistic!

I'm sorry: I don't think I'm much help on the size changes. After doing an image search for Hucul ponies, it looks to me like maybe the one with the bigger hindquarters and head looks better.
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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:58 pm

I'm also voting for thinner neck version :)

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:23 pm

Thanks so much for comments friends! flower 

Mangalarga wrote:
I'm also voting for thinner neck version :)


Yes, after reviewing today I think I will do that way study 

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:18 pm

Hi, I have photos of Hucul after few more steps. Still several things to do before finish but I thought I will share photos of him at this level  Very Happy













Also I found website of good polish photographer, plenty of Huculs' photos there, have a look and enjoy Very Happy    http://peckiel.pl/huculy/

I'm thinking about name for him as most of artist resin horses do have own name. I consider slavic name would fit best, something like Halny (it's name of wind blowing in mountains) Triglav (one of slavic gods) or Perun (also slavic god, one of his symbols was black horse) I don't know which one would be best, probably native English speakers could tell me more about which one sounds interesting? :DI can consider other options if none of them is good.

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PostSubject: Re: Hucul project, finished now! And it's called Wilga! :-)    Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:46 pm

Beautiful as always Anna! You are a master of sculpting Laughing The horse looks absolutely amazing! Applause Applause Applause 

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