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PostSubject: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:57 am

I don't think I've properly introduced myself yet. I am pachyrhinosaurus over on the Dinosaur/Animal toy forums, from Pennsylvania in the US.
I feel its time I started showing my animal art here. Its not mind-blowing like that of others' work here, but I thought I'd show it anyway. This is the first to be finished of my set of my more serious animal models, and I have a rhinoceros and reindeer in progress at the moment.  
Emperor Penguin (Aptenodytes forsteri):




^Sorry about the last two, I forgot to rotate them.


Comments, criticism, and critique are welcome and appreciated.  Cool
I will have a male to accompany her in a couple weeks.


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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:44 am

Hello and wellcome here Very Happy

It is absolutely marvellous  cheers 
A male with an egg, isn't it ?

It looks like  it is going to the head, so lifelike  Applause

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:18 am

Nice to meet you.
Wow, it's beautiful, fantastic work! Can't wait to see the Caribou, they're a favourite of mine;)

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:33 am

Hi, welcome! I think this penguin is very good work! Congratulations! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:43 am

A very good penguin  cheers cheers cheers 

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:44 pm

@SUSANNE wrote:
Hello and wellcome here Very Happy

It is absolutely marvellous  cheers 
A male with an egg, isn't it ?

It looks like  it is going to the head, so lifelike  Applause

No, I made this one to be the female, the male will be soon to follow, he will be in  walking pose (unless there's something I don't know about which makes this a male).

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Nice to meet you.
Wow, it's beautiful, fantastic work!  Can't wait to see the Caribou, they're a favourite of mine;)

I am aiming on having the caribou done before Christmas, putting my rhino in limbo until its done.  rendeer 

I thank everyone for their kind words. I'm not sure, though, do penguins have more exaggerated pectoral muscles and shoulders than I have in mine? I know the one in the picture I was using didn't, but some models do.
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:47 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:02 pm

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Wow, wonderful penguin!  bounce I love you 
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:12 pm

welcome here! nice work  Applause 
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:34 pm

Hello Medium Ground Finch and Welcome on STS village  cheers 

I rotated the two pics  Wink 

About the Emperor penguin, of course you are more talented than I am but I have a few suggestions.

IMHO the head is too big, the wings are too long or the body is too short (I guess the body is a bit too short). More, on the back it looks like a fat penguin and on the front more like a slender one. I mean your model is nicely made, it is only some details but I wish I could help.  Very Happy 

A few pics will explain better than my English  Laughing 

Some fat ones


Less fat one


Slender one with head like yours

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:15 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:47 pm

welcome here nice model by the way

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:09 pm

Thanks for the compliments! I do agree with you, Kikimalou, that there are proportions I got wrong. I actually used two different photos, one for the profile, and another for more frontal areas (as well as a third for the face, but that is irrelevant.) I primarily used the middle penguin in this picture:

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:44 pm

Nice looking penguin! It has a lot of character - can't wait to see it finished!
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:17 pm

^Thanks. I have been working on my caribou (although it doesn't look like 13 days' work) and here it is so far:


I'm currently working on making the femur/tibia shorter and metatarsals longer. Any thoughts?
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Sat Dec 14, 2013 12:23 am

Looking good so far! Can't wait to see it finished! bounce
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PostSubject: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models- Caribou Update   Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:24 am

I am almost finished:
With antlers:




I must admit that that 'sweep' on the front of the head was quite difficult, especially because the antlers weren't anchored to the armature, but that won't be the case next time. What do you think?


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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:28 am

Are you going to make his legs longer? They just look a little short right now, otherwise wonderful job!

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:33 am

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Are you going to make his legs longer? They just look a little short right now, otherwise wonderful job!
Thanks. I really wish I could make them longer, My torso is also a bit long, but I do agree the legs are too short, but unfortunately I cannot make them much longer or else he won't be able to sand properly. I give it a try, though.  Cool 
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:37 am

I think his body is alright, though if you could add maybe about a centimeter or two it would look wonderful. I do really like the antlers.  Very Happy 

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:43 am

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I think his body is alright, though if you could add maybe about a centimeter or two it would look wonderful. I do really like the antlers.  Very Happy 
Thank you. The antlers, though, aren't anchored into the armature, so I hope they stay! As for his height, I could'nt add any, since the wire supports I'm using aren't long enough. I do understand, its a real pain in the neck to have your proportions wrong, but I have learnt I shouldn't make my proportions based solely off Schleich pieces.
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:09 am

Also very nice:-)

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:41 pm

 bounce  bounce  bounce The antlers look awesome!

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Are you going to make his legs longer? They just look a little short right now, otherwise wonderful job!
Thanks. I really wish I could make them longer, My torso is also a bit long, but I do agree the legs are too short, but unfortunately I cannot make them much longer or else he won't be able to sand properly. I give it a try, though.  Cool 

If you can't make the legs longer, you could make a sort of diorama with the reindeer in the snow, and the snow would cover the length of the legs that is not there.  sunny It just depends on what you're going to use the figure for, if that will work or not.
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:54 pm

^I have thought of making mini single-animal dioramas with some landscaping and painted board for background, I might do it for my rhinoceros as well.

Thanks for the compliments. He should be done sculpted this week, but there's no guarantee you'll have pictures right away, as my USB ports aren't at their best right now.
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:04 pm

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I think his body is alright, though if you could add maybe about a centimeter or two it would look wonderful. I do really like the antlers.  Very Happy 
Thank you. The antlers, though, aren't anchored into the armature, so I hope they stay! As for his height, I could'nt add any, since the wire supports I'm using aren't long enough. I do understand, its a real pain in the neck to have your proportions wrong, but I have learnt I shouldn't make my proportions based solely off Schleich pieces.
Just to be clear I meant to add a centimeter or two to the legs, not the body.  Embarassed Anyways, I still think he looks really nice, I can't wait to see him painted. And as 4U mentioned, if nothing else works you could always place him in a snowy diorama and then you wouldn't notice. In fact that is what I thought you were doing in the first place, but as far structure with the wires etc. I understand now. Good luck, and I cannot wait to see it done!
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:07 pm

^Thanks.
Does anyone know if the caribou has one or two forward 'sweeps' on the antlers? I gave mine one like the Schleich model, but I can't quite make out the reference photos of the real animals I've been using.
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:35 pm

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Does anyone know if the caribou has one or two forward 'sweeps' on the antlers? I gave mine one like the Schleich model, but I can't quite make out the reference photos of the real animals I've been using.

I guess it depends on what you mean as well as the subspecies and individual animal. In a normal healthy bulls the southern populations have larger antlers then northern populations, in fact as a proportion to size they have the largest antlers to body size ratio of any deer and the second largest antlers (second only to the moose) in the world. Each antler has two parts an upper and a much smaller lower part. I'm guessing you are talking about the lower parts when you say "sweeps", and there are two, one per antler. Since your model has a southern form, there is a very common growth pattern where these lower parts actually touch and being such fast growing, fuse together, forming a single piece in large adult males. With that pattern you could make a figure with either separate or a single lower antler and it would still be anatomically accurate.
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:07 am

Welcome here! Such beautiful work you have, I love the penguin! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:39 am

Thank you animalluvr, for the compliments. Thanks to Phil, as well for the information. My antler not attatched to the forward bit is having stability problems, but I guess if the two sides are fused together in front, the connection would strengthen it. Two birds with one stone.
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:17 am

I always called the "sweeps" shovels, and I think that's the correct term though I may be wrong. Anyways, yes they have two shovels on the front of their antlers, though they can be very differently shaped, not always symmetrical.

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:54 am

Fortis, I think the penguin you made is wonderful ! Very Happy  Very Happy 
The pose, the wings, the fold over the feet , which made me think it was a male with an egg .

Perhaps I am a bit weird, but I like a model to be just as YOU see it, and not neccesarily completely accurate .
Most great artists did and don't make accurate models...look at Mona Lisa's smile  Very Happy 
To me it has enormous charm, and I think you should leave it as it is.
Then perhaps you can make one more later, if you want Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:47 pm

Thanks and yes, I will leave his leg proportions as they are. I agree with what you said about accuracy. Although I like things 100% perfect, I don't give up on a model because of a difficult-to-fix error which gives it, as you said, charm. Jurassic Park is still my favorite movie although the deinonychus are bald and have broken wrists (two out of a myriad of problems).
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PostSubject: New Emperor Penguin   Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:37 am

Apologies for double-posting, but I have just completed the sculpting process of my second penguin.
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What do you think? I used the feedback given to me on the first one to help in the making of the second.
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:39 am

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:06 am

You don't need to apologize for double posting  Wink  You are not alone  Laughing

Your Emperor penguin is far better than the previous one, I love it  Applause 

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:27 pm

Thanks To the both of you. I'll probably start painting today or tomorrow. I also have my caribou ready to bake and I took pictures to show here before baking, but I am having technical problems with my computer. I'll post pictures here when it works.
Another question- does anyone know if I should paint the penguins black and add white or white and add black? I've been wondering this for a while. Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:18 pm

The new one looks great and has very realistic proportions! Congratulations! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:27 pm

I would do white and then black when painting. Great job, I love them both!

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:37 pm

Thank you. I agree with the white/black idea. I just hope the paint isn't too thick for the patterning, but I guess if I airbrush the white it won't be much of problem. I'm still troubled with error code 43, but when I find a solution I will post pics of my caribou.  rendeer

EDIT: I went through a complicated process involving using another camera and another person's computer, and I have some photos to share. He isn't baked yet, but is just about ready to be. Here come the pictures:





Is there any way he could be better or more accurate? I was also wondering if there is a way t remove the crumbs on his hair. If not, he's ready to bake.  Wink 
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:07 am

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I always called the "sweeps" shovels, and I think that's the correct term though I may be wrong. Anyways, yes they have two shovels on the front of their antlers, though they can be very differently shaped, not always symmetrical.
That's what I always called them too. The reindeer/caribou uses them as the name implies to "shovel" away snow to reach feed.
Great job, he looks great. His legs could be a bit longer though.  Wink 
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:31 am

Yeah, we discussed the leg thing before. I don't like it, but because of the structure I cannot make them longer (or shorter, if I wanted to). In my defense, I think domestic reindeer have shorter legs. Anyway, Thanks. Since I don't see any glaringly obvious anatomical flaws, I guess he's ready to bake. I think I'll bake him tomorrow, and I hope I'm able to post pics here. Have a great holiday.
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Thu Dec 26, 2013 4:31 am

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Yeah, we discussed the leg thing before. I don't like it, but because of the structure I cannot make them longer (or shorter, if I wanted to). In my defense, I think domestic reindeer have shorter legs. Anyway, Thanks. Since I don't see any glaringly obvious anatomical flaws, I guess he's ready to bake. I think I'll bake him tomorrow, and I hope I'm able to post pics here. Have a great holiday.
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No need to defend yourself, he looks great!  Applause The legs on some reindeer are shorter.  rendeer 
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Thu Dec 26, 2013 5:40 am

As I have said before about other models, each animal is unique, they do not all look the same. I love your reindeer.  Very Happy Can't wait to see him painted!  bounce rendeer 

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Thu Dec 26, 2013 5:49 am

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I love your reindeer.  Very Happy Can't wait to see him painted!  bounce rendeer 

Thanks. I always like the way each individual is different, since it makes overall scale a lot easier. He will be painted soon. If I bake him tomorrow he should get his first coat of white, as my penguins are getting their second. Currently in the works are an identical pair of dolphins, for a friend and I.
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Thu Dec 26, 2013 6:48 am

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Is there any way he could be better or more accurate? I was also wondering if there is a way t remove the crumbs on his hair. If not, he's ready to bake.  Wink 

Can remove the crumbs carefully with the tip if a pin, wipe pin clean after each spot is fixed. Alternatively you can brush most off after baking, but I prefer the first method even though it's time consuming.
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Thu Dec 26, 2013 8:28 am

I LOVE your reindeer ! He is full of charm and personality  cheers 

The second penguin is lovely also, but I still find the first one fantastic  Applause 

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:01 pm

Thank you for the info and comment. He's baked now. I have a question, though, now that he's baked, I tried to cut off the little bit of the wire which was running out of the feet, and There's still a tiny bit left. enough to hold him above the ground a little. I tried cutting this little bit off of the hind legs and they both split in half at the cleft in the hoof. Mad  The front legs are still suspended above the ground. Is there a way to cut the wire so that it is smooth with the bottom of the foot? I can't paint him until I figure out a solution. Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:37 am

@Geospiza fortis wrote:
Thank you for the info and comment. He's baked now. I have a question, though, now that he's baked, I tried to cut off the little bit of the wire which was running out of the feet, and There's still a tiny bit left. enough to hold him above the ground a little. I tried cutting this little bit off of the hind legs and they both split in half at the cleft in the hoof.  Mad  The front legs are still suspended above the ground. Is there a way to cut the wire so that it is smooth with the bottom of the foot? I can't paint him until I figure out a solution. Thanks.

Instead of cutting try filing with a small metal file  Smile 
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Fri Dec 27, 2013 12:04 pm

Nice reindeer too  cheers cheers cheers cheers 

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:44 pm

Thanks for the comment and assistance. I am only learning (as you can obviously see from my product), so I don't yet have a proper procedure for everything figured out yet.  Smile 
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