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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:07 pm

^Thanks.
Does anyone know if the caribou has one or two forward 'sweeps' on the antlers? I gave mine one like the Schleich model, but I can't quite make out the reference photos of the real animals I've been using.
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:35 pm

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Does anyone know if the caribou has one or two forward 'sweeps' on the antlers? I gave mine one like the Schleich model, but I can't quite make out the reference photos of the real animals I've been using.

I guess it depends on what you mean as well as the subspecies and individual animal. In a normal healthy bulls the southern populations have larger antlers then northern populations, in fact as a proportion to size they have the largest antlers to body size ratio of any deer and the second largest antlers (second only to the moose) in the world. Each antler has two parts an upper and a much smaller lower part. I'm guessing you are talking about the lower parts when you say "sweeps", and there are two, one per antler. Since your model has a southern form, there is a very common growth pattern where these lower parts actually touch and being such fast growing, fuse together, forming a single piece in large adult males. With that pattern you could make a figure with either separate or a single lower antler and it would still be anatomically accurate.
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:07 am

Welcome here! Such beautiful work you have, I love the penguin! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:39 am

Thank you animalluvr, for the compliments. Thanks to Phil, as well for the information. My antler not attatched to the forward bit is having stability problems, but I guess if the two sides are fused together in front, the connection would strengthen it. Two birds with one stone.
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:17 am

I always called the "sweeps" shovels, and I think that's the correct term though I may be wrong. Anyways, yes they have two shovels on the front of their antlers, though they can be very differently shaped, not always symmetrical.

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:54 am

Fortis, I think the penguin you made is wonderful ! Very Happy  Very Happy 
The pose, the wings, the fold over the feet , which made me think it was a male with an egg .

Perhaps I am a bit weird, but I like a model to be just as YOU see it, and not neccesarily completely accurate .
Most great artists did and don't make accurate models...look at Mona Lisa's smile  Very Happy 
To me it has enormous charm, and I think you should leave it as it is.
Then perhaps you can make one more later, if you want Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:47 pm

Thanks and yes, I will leave his leg proportions as they are. I agree with what you said about accuracy. Although I like things 100% perfect, I don't give up on a model because of a difficult-to-fix error which gives it, as you said, charm. Jurassic Park is still my favorite movie although the deinonychus are bald and have broken wrists (two out of a myriad of problems).
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PostSubject: New Emperor Penguin   Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:37 am

Apologies for double-posting, but I have just completed the sculpting process of my second penguin.
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What do you think? I used the feedback given to me on the first one to help in the making of the second.
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:39 am

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:06 am

You don't need to apologize for double posting  Wink  You are not alone  Laughing

Your Emperor penguin is far better than the previous one, I love it  Applause 

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:27 pm

Thanks To the both of you. I'll probably start painting today or tomorrow. I also have my caribou ready to bake and I took pictures to show here before baking, but I am having technical problems with my computer. I'll post pictures here when it works.
Another question- does anyone know if I should paint the penguins black and add white or white and add black? I've been wondering this for a while. Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:18 pm

The new one looks great and has very realistic proportions! Congratulations! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:27 pm

I would do white and then black when painting. Great job, I love them both!

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Mon Dec 23, 2013 6:37 pm

Thank you. I agree with the white/black idea. I just hope the paint isn't too thick for the patterning, but I guess if I airbrush the white it won't be much of problem. I'm still troubled with error code 43, but when I find a solution I will post pics of my caribou.  rendeer

EDIT: I went through a complicated process involving using another camera and another person's computer, and I have some photos to share. He isn't baked yet, but is just about ready to be. Here come the pictures:





Is there any way he could be better or more accurate? I was also wondering if there is a way t remove the crumbs on his hair. If not, he's ready to bake.  Wink 
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Thu Dec 26, 2013 12:07 am

Saarlooswolfhound wrote:
I always called the "sweeps" shovels, and I think that's the correct term though I may be wrong. Anyways, yes they have two shovels on the front of their antlers, though they can be very differently shaped, not always symmetrical.
That's what I always called them too. The reindeer/caribou uses them as the name implies to "shovel" away snow to reach feed.
Great job, he looks great. His legs could be a bit longer though.  Wink 
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:31 am

Yeah, we discussed the leg thing before. I don't like it, but because of the structure I cannot make them longer (or shorter, if I wanted to). In my defense, I think domestic reindeer have shorter legs. Anyway, Thanks. Since I don't see any glaringly obvious anatomical flaws, I guess he's ready to bake. I think I'll bake him tomorrow, and I hope I'm able to post pics here. Have a great holiday.
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Thu Dec 26, 2013 4:31 am

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Yeah, we discussed the leg thing before. I don't like it, but because of the structure I cannot make them longer (or shorter, if I wanted to). In my defense, I think domestic reindeer have shorter legs. Anyway, Thanks. Since I don't see any glaringly obvious anatomical flaws, I guess he's ready to bake. I think I'll bake him tomorrow, and I hope I'm able to post pics here. Have a great holiday.
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No need to defend yourself, he looks great!  Applause The legs on some reindeer are shorter.  rendeer 
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Thu Dec 26, 2013 5:40 am

As I have said before about other models, each animal is unique, they do not all look the same. I love your reindeer.  Very Happy Can't wait to see him painted!  bounce rendeer 

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Thu Dec 26, 2013 5:49 am

Saarlooswolfhound wrote:
I love your reindeer.  Very Happy Can't wait to see him painted!  bounce rendeer 

Thanks. I always like the way each individual is different, since it makes overall scale a lot easier. He will be painted soon. If I bake him tomorrow he should get his first coat of white, as my penguins are getting their second. Currently in the works are an identical pair of dolphins, for a friend and I.
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Thu Dec 26, 2013 6:48 am

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Is there any way he could be better or more accurate? I was also wondering if there is a way t remove the crumbs on his hair. If not, he's ready to bake.  Wink 

Can remove the crumbs carefully with the tip if a pin, wipe pin clean after each spot is fixed. Alternatively you can brush most off after baking, but I prefer the first method even though it's time consuming.
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Thu Dec 26, 2013 8:28 am

I LOVE your reindeer ! He is full of charm and personality  cheers 

The second penguin is lovely also, but I still find the first one fantastic  Applause 

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Thu Dec 26, 2013 11:01 pm

Thank you for the info and comment. He's baked now. I have a question, though, now that he's baked, I tried to cut off the little bit of the wire which was running out of the feet, and There's still a tiny bit left. enough to hold him above the ground a little. I tried cutting this little bit off of the hind legs and they both split in half at the cleft in the hoof. Mad  The front legs are still suspended above the ground. Is there a way to cut the wire so that it is smooth with the bottom of the foot? I can't paint him until I figure out a solution. Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:37 am

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Thank you for the info and comment. He's baked now. I have a question, though, now that he's baked, I tried to cut off the little bit of the wire which was running out of the feet, and There's still a tiny bit left. enough to hold him above the ground a little. I tried cutting this little bit off of the hind legs and they both split in half at the cleft in the hoof.  Mad  The front legs are still suspended above the ground. Is there a way to cut the wire so that it is smooth with the bottom of the foot? I can't paint him until I figure out a solution. Thanks.

Instead of cutting try filing with a small metal file  Smile 
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Fri Dec 27, 2013 12:04 pm

Nice reindeer too  cheers cheers cheers cheers 

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:44 pm

Thanks for the comment and assistance. I am only learning (as you can obviously see from my product), so I don't yet have a proper procedure for everything figured out yet.  Smile 
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:40 pm

Congrats! The reindeer looks very promising! Wanna see it done cheers cheers 

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:11 pm

Nice antlers.
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:54 am

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I just got the camera part I needed through the mail, and just in time, too, as today I had just put the finishing touches on my caribou. I feel as if I am catching on quickly to dry brushing, this is the third time I used it, and the first time on my own model where it was visible in the final product. I also began to make a pair of bison based off a pair I used to visit at the zoo.
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Here's a picture of them from a few years ago:

Please note that this is not my photo. It was taken by one of the keepers and posted to their blog. I am using as reference for the bison pictures that I had taken in August or September of 2011. That was the last time I saw them before they died in a flood in September of 2011.
I am probably going to fix the female's head. Also, does anyone know if the male's head is turned the way a bison should, I'm not sure about their neck flexibility?


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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:14 am

The reindeer is great! I like the coloring. Very Happy The bison are promising, you are very busy! bounce
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:33 am

Thanks. Aside from these here, I am still Painting Penguins, sculpting a rhinoceros, and planning an Andean bear. I like to work on a few pieces at once, though, so any given model does not become boring to me.
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:21 am

Nice work on your caribou, it is great to see all the different artists share their creations on this forum.
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:23 am

Nice paint - the antlers and muzzle stood out to me  Applause 
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Jan 07, 2014 3:54 am

Can't wait to see the bison finished, the caribou is wonderful!

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Jan 07, 2014 4:02 am

elephas_maximus wrote:
it is great to see all the different artists share their creations on this forum.
Agreed.

Thanks for all the positive feedback. Esther, the female bison, should be done in less than a month.
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Jan 07, 2014 4:32 am

Congratulation for your reindeer; it has short legs but also a lot of personnality and charm.  Very Happy 

Good luck for your bison pair and tahnk you for showing making off pics!

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Jan 07, 2014 5:36 am

It's really neat to be able to see everybody's creations here.. I, too, really like the caribou's antlers, and the bison looks very promising indeed. For future reference: you can lengthen or shorten armatured legs even after the sculpting's been done. Here's a very basic method:



(Sorry about the poor quality - Photobucket made the photos even worse than they already were.)

Your sculpting material needs to have hardened (i.e. be baked for oven-baked clays, finished reacting for epoxies, dried for air-drying clays etc.) so it's nice and sturdy. Cut off the leg you'd like to change the length of - this can be done by making an incision all around the leg by using hacksaw, X-Acto blade, carpet knife or similar, and then cutting the wire with thin wire cutters. It's important that the sculpting material doesn't crumble away from the wire as you cut it. Making the cut surfaces of the leg rough would be good, too, so the glue (see below) will have more to adhere to.

Next up, prepare lengths of armature wire and roughen their surface up -a piece for each leg you intend to change. The thinner the wire the better, as long as it's suitably rigid to still act as armature and support the weight of your sculpture. Carve a conjoining groove into the side of your your sculpture and its severed leg. The groove should be suitably broad and deep to hold the new wire.

Set the wire in. Check the leg is straight. Drip in the groove and on the new wire a small amount of super glue and before it dries, sprinkle it with baking soda. The mixture sets instantly. Brush off excess baking soda. Apply a new layer of glue and baking soda. Repeat until you've filled in the groove and lodged in the wire, as well as filled the gap between the severed leg and the rest of your sculpture. Clean up excess super glue - baking soda mixture. Have new leg. Epoxy or a similar putty may also be used instead of the super glue mixture, but the joint will be a lot less stable then.

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:39 am

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I just got the camera part I needed through the mail, and just in time, too, as today I had just put the finishing touches on my caribou. I feel as if I am catching on quickly to dry brushing, this is the third time I used it, and the first time on my own model where it was visible in the final product. I also began to make a pair of bison based off a pair I used to visit at the zoo.
Ryan:

and
Esther:

Here's a picture of them from a few years ago:

Please note that this is not my photo. It was taken by one of the keepers and posted to their blog. I am using as reference for the bison pictures that I had taken in August or September of 2011. That was the last time I saw them before they died in a flood in September of 2011.
I am probably going to fix the female's head. Also, does anyone know if the male's head is turned the way a bison should, I'm not sure about their neck flexibility?

WOW! Shocked Thanks, that's something amazing! Great job! I look forward to that I get to see the finished bison- Very exiting!

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:39 pm

Thank you for the comments. Koniminiaures, thank you as well for the advice. Is there anything wrong with adding clay instead of the super glue or epoxy to the open spot?
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:41 pm

Nice to see the progress :) The caribou looks so great!

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Jan 07, 2014 4:52 pm

Thanks, SyLoBe!

I also have had a rhino in progress since November:


I am trying to make him as accurate as I can. Any thoughts?
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:12 pm

They are RADIATING charm  cheers 

Fantastic, both of them !!! Applause Applause Applause 

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:45 pm

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Koniminiaures, thank you as well for the advice. Is there anything wrong with adding clay instead of the super glue or epoxy to the open spot?

No problem. As for substituting the glue - baking soda mix with clay, I wouldn't recommend it, especially if it's simple earth clay you mean. It doesn't adhere to surfaces particularly tightly, so the fixed part will be liable to fracture - particularly so if it's a weight-carrying leg that's being fixed. I personally don't even trust epoxy to do the job, but always use the glue + baking soda method instead.

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:36 pm

Wow - these are wonderful! The reindeer turned out brilliantly! Can't wait to see how the bison and the rhino look!
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Fri Jan 10, 2014 2:47 am

^Thanks. I'm not sure if I mentioned it before, but all of my models so far have been in 1:20 scale.
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:55 pm

Excellent again! You are really talented! Are you going to sculptor to Breyer or Schleich a short time later? Razz 

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:03 pm

Thanks.
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Are you going to sculptor to Breyer or Schleich a short time later? Razz 
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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:24 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:27 am

Here's another picture of the bison:

I was wondering about the proportions. Could I have advice, please?  Does anyone think the head is too large and front (or back) legs too short? I've been holding mine up to a picture for a while and its difficult to judge. Here is the individual I was referencing on the farthest right:

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The anatomy of my two bison is very important because I am making models of specific individuals. The other one I'm making is in the middle of the picture. I'm not sure where the one on the left came from, though. I don't remember seeing that one ever at the zoo, and certainly wasn't one of the two that drowned in the 2011 flood.


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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:33 am

Only thing I see a little wrong (since you want to represent it off of a specific individual not just the species in general) is the hindquarters look a little short, I would put a little more muscling onto the back. Then the stomach doesn't lineup with the neck beard, the hair on the beard surpasses the depth of the "barrel" (stomach area) on a bison. Otherwise, its a splendid figure and I can't wait to see it done.

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PostSubject: Re: Geospiza fortis' Animal Models   Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:47 am

Thank you. I would not have noticed those otherwise.
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