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PostSubject: Braids and other fun for horses :-)   Thu Jan 09, 2014 10:45 am

When Schleich launced a bunch of horses with braided manes in 2012, I was really chocked ! Shocked 
To me, horses are so lovely, there is no reason to change their looks ! What will the next thing be ? Lipstick ?  affraid  Laughing 

But having just taken some pictures of them for Toyanimal.info , I begin to get used to the idea. I think it is quite an old tradition in some breeds Wink
I seem to remember that the different styles even have names , but can't find anything about it on the net  geek 
If somebody knows, I can add it here Very Happy

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The good, old Clydesdale stallions from Safari :
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Safari Percheron from 2013 :
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The old, grey Percheron from Safari :
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Safari Arabian with flower wreath :
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Papo , Mom's horse :
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The Schleich Trakhener mare from this year :
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Schleich Fell Pony :
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Schleich Frisian mare :
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Schleich Haflinger mare :
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The (in)famous Schleich Arabian from this year :
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The Schleich Shetland mare with a heart on her butt  Laughing 
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And here comes Princess ! The most famous of them all, thanks to Carola  cheers 
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Princess is a Shire mare from Schleich Wink
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Schleich Lipizzan mare :
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Even the baby has braids ! Lipizzan foal from Schleich :
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Schleich Andalusian mare :
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Same mare , Special Edition :
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The beautyful Hanoverian mare from Schelich :
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PostSubject: Re: Braids and other fun for horses :-)   Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:40 am

That's a great topic, Susanne! The only acceptable for me is the last one, Hannoverian mare!

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PostSubject: Re: Braids and other fun for horses :-)   Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:06 pm

I love your photos Susanne!  cheers Certainly there are many decorations to be found in model horses nowadays.

I'm no horse owner myself(except for miniatures), but I have an impression, that braiding and such is quite normal and ok in horse business. As long as the horse is groomed, happy and well cared for, I guess they don't care if their onwers make a little braid or two?  scratch cheers 

Ofcourse, braiding in horse figurines, make them more of characters, than just a reperesentation of a certain breed, I think.

2014 Frisian Mare looks fine in your photos. I'm looking forward to see her on shops...

By the way, the old Schleich Hanoverian Mare, she has also a styled mane  sunny

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PostSubject: Re: Braids and other fun for horses :-)   Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:06 pm

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By the way, the old Schleich Hanoverian Mare, she has also a styled mane  sunny

Ohhh ! Yes ! Of course ! cheers 
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PostSubject: Re: Braids and other fun for horses :-)   Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:40 pm

You are right, some breeds it is quire common, such as with draft breeds. But an Arabian?  affraid Schleich is no longer very educational.  Laughing Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes 

Thanks for the photos Susanne! I forgot about the Hanoverian too.

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PostSubject: Re: Braids and other fun for horses :-)   Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:17 pm

Ohh, yes ! Arabians Very Happy 
These from Papo look more like it Laughing 
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PostSubject: Re: Braids and other fun for horses :-)   Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:48 pm

In general I quite like braided manes, not necessary in horse models but in real horses it's fun sometimes to do it. Maybe especially with Friesian horses, their long manes are of course wonderful just as they but braided are beautiful too. Smile

As for the figures, thank you Susanne for showing them! Maybe it could even be topic for SUY some day Laughing
The most strange and even ridiculous is braided mane of foal. I've never heard about anyone doing that! Also foals' mane is usually too soft for that, isn't it? Shocked

I quite like the style of mane in Lipizzan mare actually Very Happy, but I thought this style is called "stallion's braid". I heard such name somewhere.   scratch  Nevertheless it would look nice also on real mare or stallion, doesn't matter.  

Liking braids or not, I think Schleich is doing a bit too much of that, maybe if it's 15-20% of their horses with braids it would be better but now, they are majority. Soon it will be difficult to make complete herd of mustangs if one would like to play like this (what was also one of my plays when I was kid) how could horse figure play a role of mustang with all those decorations? Now they could mainly play in a fantasy world or riding clubs. scratch

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PostSubject: Re: Braids and other fun for horses :-)   Thu Jan 09, 2014 4:04 pm

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The most strange and even ridiculous is braided mane of foal. I've never heard about anyone doing that! Also foals' mane is usually too soft for that, isn't it? Shocked

I think you're right. How could you even braid a foal's mane? I would think it would be too soft and too short as well!  Shocked scratch 

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PostSubject: Re: Braids and other fun for horses :-)   Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:21 pm

A lot of beautieful horse figurines Susanne  cheers cheers cheers 

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PostSubject: Re: Braids and other fun for horses :-)   Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:11 pm

Thankyou, Andreas Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Braids and other fun for horses :-)   Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:30 pm

Thanks for these beautiful pictures, Susanne! Am I remembering wrong, or is Bullyland has also made the horses with braids? This year? scratch 

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PostSubject: Re: Braids and other fun for horses :-)   Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:47 pm

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Thanks for these beautiful pictures, Susanne! Am I remembering wrong, or is Bullyland has also made the horses with braids? This year? scratch 

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PostSubject: Re: Braids and other fun for horses :-)   Thu Jan 09, 2014 7:42 pm

Thankyou Jonas and 4U !
Yes, a Lipizzan mare :

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PostSubject: Re: Braids and other fun for horses :-)   Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:45 am

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The most strange and even ridiculous is braided mane of foal. I've never heard about anyone doing that! Also foals' mane is usually too soft for that, isn't it? Shocked

I think you're right. How could you even braid a foal's mane? I would think it would be too soft and too short as well!  Shocked scratch 

It isn't impossible or even uncommon. For instance, all of the KWPN breed foals are mandatorily shown braided in inspections - the studbook association requires it. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] are a few such foals with braids.

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PostSubject: Re: Braids and other fun for horses :-)   Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:57 am

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The most strange and even ridiculous is braided mane of foal. I've never heard about anyone doing that! Also foals' mane is usually too soft for that, isn't it? Shocked

I think you're right. How could you even braid a foal's mane? I would think it would be too soft and too short as well!  Shocked scratch 

It isn't impossible or even uncommon. For instance, all of the KWPN breed foals are mandatorily shown braided in inspections (the only foal I saw unbraided in one was an odd filly with nearly no mane growing to make braids with) - the studbook association requires it. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] are a few such foals with braids.

Very interesting, I never knew that.  Very Happy 

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PostSubject: Re: Braids and other fun for horses :-)   Fri Jan 10, 2014 4:47 am

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I think it is quite an old tradition in some breeds Wink

Braiding horses' manes and tails is indeed an ancient custom. Horses in the antiquity often had their manes [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] upright and adorned with [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], but there are some [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] from [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] that may indicate [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] or suchlike, too. Certainly later on it became a well-liked way of adorning the steeds of the wealthy all around the world.

Here are some coiffured horses from history: Medieval Europe [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]; 14-th century China [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and Arabia [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] with mud-knotted tails; early Italian renaissance [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]; Mughal-era India [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. By early Modern times, braiding really caught on in the exuberance of Baroque-era Europe - the bloom of classical dressage, the increasing wealth of Central European courts, as well as sheer fashion saw the steeds of the rich lavished with the most intricate of braids and adornments (if also beaten half to death and tortured with the most fiendish of bits - but then, this, unlike [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], had been the case for horses all through the history). Examples of such steeds [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

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I'm no horse owner myself(except for miniatures), but I have an impression, that braiding and such is quite normal and ok in horse business. As long as the horse is groomed, happy and well cared for, I guess they don't care if their onwers make a little braid or two?  scratch cheers 
The braiding of manes and tails is a pretty commonplace and well-accepted - admired, even - practice in the equestrian world. Many breed shows and disciplines downright require the manes and tails of horses entering to be done in a certain fashion as part of their turnout. Braids, when executed well, are a temporary nuisance at worst to the horse (most neck braids, for instance, are ruined if the horse reaches its head too low).

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I seem to remember that the different styles even have names , but can't find anything about it on the net  geek 
If somebody knows, I can add it here Very Happy

I'll write a little bit about what I know of the braids seen on the models you posted. I'm no expert, though, and welcome any corrections to my ramblings, if anyone has any. The links in each caption will take the reader to see the real-life counterpart of the adornment in question.


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Many draught breeds, particularly in the UK and USA, have their own, specific mane and tail decorations used for shows. The horse's mane is usually braided with a piece of cloth along the horse's crest, and pin-mounted [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] (UK) or [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] (USA) decorations are then stuck on the braid. These decorations are usually called [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] in the UK and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] or [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] in the USA. The number of bobs may change according to the the discipline the horse is shown in (a [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] of flights is typical of a halter/in-hand horse, while [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] are used on hitch horses so as to leave room for the collar). In some cases only stallions and geldings are given flights, and mares are shown unbraided.

The [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] or docking of tails has been illegal for a while now in the UK, so there draught horses' tails are typically decorated by [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], possibly with some ribbon, and attaching [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Particularly on Clydesdales, the tail may also be [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] or [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] shaved. In the USA, closely amputated tails seem to be still fashionable, particularly among the American Belgians. There the hair on the remaining tail nub is gathered up in a knot and secured with a [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. Some folk still see the trouble of putting up [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] too, reminiscent of the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] still popular in Britain.


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These are both [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], easily confused with the easier-made [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] (also called jumper, rosette, English, or dressage braids).


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These seem to be an upright variation of the above, usually used on the KWPN breeds - also the foals, during inspections. They're most often seen on the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] these days.


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This seems to be a double [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] with a layer of mane left loose underneath (which is typically not done; [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] layers [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], though). However, usually a "double French braid" refers to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - a double-sided version rather than multilayered. Both styles are variations of the simple [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], seen here as the underhand variation again:
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These are so-called [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] or [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] (US). They require a long and fairly [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] mane of a horse to work well.

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You are right, some breeds it is quire common, such as with draft breeds. But an Arabian?  affraid Schleich is no longer very educational.  Laughing Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes 
Arabians compete in a many disciplines that require or encourage specific types of braids to be used on the participating animals. They are not required (nor indeed usually allowed) to deviate from the turnout standard to the discipline simply because of their breed. In the US especially, Arabians are a pretty popular breed for numerous English disciplines, and are typically required to participate in a turnout dictated by the rules of the discipline (& division, class, governing association, etc.) - just like the other participating breeds are. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] are [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] variously [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Arabians [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] in [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] disciplines.

Formal competition aside, there's also no reason why an owner might not braid their horse - of whatever breed - in any kind of a braid they choose for their own amusement. I can't see how the braid on the Schleich model would make for an issue of realism or accuracy - rather, it's the model's build that might do.


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This is a braid I've never seen really done. The fabric (?) decorations bring to mind the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] of the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], but the model's breed is all wrong, of course, and the loose mane underneath is too. Another possible inspiration for them might be the Iberian [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] fabric-puffed [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], but even then the breed's very wrong, and the braids themselves aren't much better. Perhaps someone else knows what the idea with these was?


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This is no recognized style that I know of, either. Reminds me of a much simplified version of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] masterly French braid - continental braid mixture.


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Unlike most of the previous styles, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] kind of plaiting of manes isn't done for shows - typically, it's just to keep the hairs in a horse's long mane from breaking and the mane thus becoming shorter and more unkempt while the horse is stabled or out on pasture.


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Flower wreaths are typically used in the saddle seat equitation world in the USA. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] one on a winning Saddlebred, and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] on an Arab.


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PostSubject: Re: Braids and other fun for horses :-)   Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:22 am

Thanks Susanne for opening this thread and Lea for your very interesting imput! cheers
We spend all time trying to save these figures, or because it is not impossible or because it is not as bad as in catalogue pictures. Honestly, I second what Ana's saying. I don't have anything against braided horses although I think that free manes and tails are characteristics that make horses look so beautiful. If Schleich was releasing a little number of braided horses it was acceptable but it is too much. This year, for me, the Frisian was enough once it is the only one I like the braids, alsoif it was the only braided, it would turn her somewhat special and now she is only one more among many of them.
I also think that some of these horses are really bad sculpts and braids work as a distracting thing.

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PostSubject: Re: Braids and other fun for horses :-)   Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:21 am

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The most strange and even ridiculous is braided mane of foal. I've never heard about anyone doing that! Also foals' mane is usually too soft for that, isn't it? Shocked

I think you're right. How could you even braid a foal's mane? I would think it would be too soft and too short as well!  Shocked scratch 

It isn't impossible or even uncommon. For instance, all of the KWPN breed foals are mandatorily shown braided in inspections (the only foal I saw unbraided in one was an odd filly with nearly no mane growing to make braids with) - the studbook association requires it. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] are a few such foals with braids.

Very interesting, I never knew that.  Very Happy 

Me neither!  Shocked 
Living in The Netherlands I should know KWPN's  inspection traditions better  Embarassed 
Thanks for that information and photos Lea!   cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Braids and other fun for horses :-)   Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:26 am

I loved your tour in the Horses Decorations world, Lea  cheers 

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PostSubject: Re: Braids and other fun for horses :-)   Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:50 am

Thank you Susanne for all the photos and Lea for the huge info! Very Happy
This is very interesting and also nice to know were the braids come from that our model horses have Very Happy


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PostSubject: Re: Braids and other fun for horses :-)   Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:04 pm

Thankyopu everybody for your great input ! cheers 

Lea, my morning flew away while I was studying your wonderful walk through the history and science of horse braiding ! Thankyou VERY much  flower Applause Applause 

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PostSubject: Re: Braids and other fun for horses :-)   Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:57 pm

Thank you Lea for the wealth of information! I did not know all that Shocked Shocked Your so-called "ramblings" are very helpful to me and welcomed! cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Braids and other fun for horses :-)   Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:33 pm

Thank you Susanne for this topic!
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PostSubject: Re: Braids and other fun for horses :-)   Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:14 pm

Thanks/kiitos Lea cheers  Susanne, Bullyland Westphalian mare 2013, Dressage Westphalian and Arabian mare with equipment? Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Braids and other fun for horses :-)   Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:08 pm

I've just come back again to your article Lea, it's super interesting, especially oldest records of braiding in ancient art, it's amazing. Thanks again! cheers

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