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PostSubject: Horse finished - page 3    Fri Dec 26, 2014 4:01 am

santa Merry Christmas!

It's been such a busy past 6 weeks there's been no time for sculpting, but finally a chance to get back to what I love. I've nervously started my first horse sculpture - it's 1:15 scale using the poseable 'bones' method that I employed in my Gorilla tutorial. I find this really helps me with proportion. 'Bones' will get a new name soon but for now she's ready to get into her gallop pose!



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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Fri Dec 26, 2014 6:34 am

Welcome Bones cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Fri Dec 26, 2014 9:02 am

SO exiting, - I can't wait to see how she develops bounce bounce

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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Fri Dec 26, 2014 10:08 am

Bones looks a bit... thin Razz Very curious how she will end :3 Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Fri Dec 26, 2014 10:19 am

It looks like 'Bones' has great potential! I can't wait to see how she (?) progresses further cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Fri Dec 26, 2014 7:17 pm

Ooh a horse! bounce bounce Are you going for any particular breed?
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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Fri Dec 26, 2014 11:36 pm

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Ooh a horse! bounce  bounce  Are you going for any particular breed?

Maybe you can help me ... this is my model. I just chose it because I like the pose but I don't know the breed?



and a couple of progress shots... about 16hrs work so far.


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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:55 am

cheers cheers cheers

I don't know the breed of the horse, but it is a very noble and beautyful one, - and your model already looks fantatsic bounce Applause

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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Sat Dec 27, 2014 9:06 am

As Susanne, I don't know the breed but I agree it is full of majesty cheers

And now, good buy Bones and Hello Fleshy Applause Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Sat Dec 27, 2014 10:06 am

While I was out giving my beloved little, shaggy horses their breakfast, I suddenly remembered a horse I had here for a summer, - it was a Shagya-Arabian youngster, and even if young, she did look a lot like this beautyful model Idea

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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Sat Dec 27, 2014 10:32 am

Very nice looking sculpture and I like how you began with skeleton Very Happy Very interesting. cheers
At first when I saw the photo of the real horse I though it may be Arabian but with a big amount of muscles and maybe looking too big for a classical Arabian. And then Susanne said Shagya Arabian and this fit very well to this picture I think Very Happy sunny

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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Sat Dec 27, 2014 12:52 pm

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Susanne said Shagya Arabian and this fit very well to this picture I think

Thankyou - I'll take your advice and call it a Shagya Smile Now to try to capture all that beautiful muscle movement... I think this is going to be a long project!
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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Sat Dec 27, 2014 2:13 pm

Oh stunning! Only thing I would mention is watch that head - horses as Arab blood have dishy heads, your skull looks a little roman nosed. Wink Either way it looks fantastic already!
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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Sat Dec 27, 2014 2:49 pm

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Oh stunning! Only thing I would mention is watch that head - horses as Arab blood have dishy heads, your skull looks a little roman nosed. Wink Either way it looks fantastic already!

Good point Very Happy

Not relevant, but I just HAVE to mention Embarassed  that the Nordic thorughbred : Icelandic horse , must not have Roman nose either, - and they must not lift their tail when running Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Sat Dec 27, 2014 9:38 pm

Yes, I'll need to modify the skull a little. It was modelled from a horse skeleton graphic that in hindsight was clearly not Arabian!
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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:29 pm

What clay/epoxy are you using for this wonderful piece?
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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Mon Dec 29, 2014 12:30 am

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What clay/epoxy are you using for this wonderful piece?

The skeleton is made of super sculpey and the body is modelled from super sculpey firm.

Here's another update with the musculature coming along now. Sorry it's a bit blurry..

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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Mon Dec 29, 2014 3:18 am

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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:45 am

WOW ! cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:10 am

@MiniZoo wrote:
@Baltimore Zoo wrote:
What clay/epoxy are you using for this wonderful piece?

The skeleton is made of super sculpey and the body is modelled from super sculpey firm.

Here's another update with the musculature coming along now. Sorry it's a bit blurry..


I would love to be able to do this drunken drunken drunken Applause

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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Mon Dec 29, 2014 10:25 am

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@MiniZoo wrote:
@Baltimore Zoo wrote:
What clay/epoxy are you using for this wonderful piece?

The skeleton is made of super sculpey and the body is modelled from super sculpey firm.

Here's another update with the musculature coming along now. Sorry it's a bit blurry..


I would love to be able to do this drunken drunken drunken  Applause

Me too, I would love to create a binturong, a musk ox and a gelada in figure but it's too difficult and I don't have the patience Laughing Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:57 pm

Wonderful! Shocked Shocked

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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:12 pm

Even without a face this horse already looks amazing.
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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Tue Dec 30, 2014 12:01 am

Looking good so far, I really like the musculature. Your 'bones' technique looks like a good one; do you mind if I use it in the future?
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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:52 am

Very, very nice! It seems to be progressing really well now-in a few days I think it may come to life  Very Happy cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:41 pm

Here's a bit more of the progress...

Sadie wrote:
It seems to be progressing really well now-in a few days I think it may come to life
Maybe more than just a few days - I'm trying to really take my time and do this as well as I can  Very Happy

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Your 'bones' technique looks like a good one; do you mind if I use it in the future?
Of course! there's no copyright on a technique  Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:33 pm

I can't believe this is your first horse! Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Wed Dec 31, 2014 2:10 pm

It looks good Very Happy Cool

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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:53 pm

Finally had a little bit of time to do some more work on this - hope you like it. I've tried to make the face look like a Shagya as it was suggested that my model picture looked like a Shagya Arabian. Just some more minor fussing on details, smoothing and then texturing to go.


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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:54 pm

Nice work! Very Happy
Maybe it's just the angle but isn't the head a little big? scratch

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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:05 pm

This looks really well done! An animal with such well-documented anatomy means good reference material but also high standards for accuracy- so it is a brave choice. On this latest profile view the muscles have a really striking sense of motion.

The bones images are also great to see. Some sort of abstract animal models like this would have their own value in a collection, I would think. Maquettes, animators' puppets, and the like have their own beauty, don't they?

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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:11 am

You are very talented sculptor.
Look`s very very good so far. I`m waiting your pictures of finished model with bated breath :)

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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Sun Feb 01, 2015 6:53 am

Great job, I only wish I could create such a masterpiece. Can't wait to see it done. Applause

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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Sun Feb 01, 2015 2:16 pm

Gorgeous! I really like his musculature Very Happy If you don't mind my suggestion - the eyes are little too high up and so are the ears. The ear bulb, eye, and nostril should be in a straight line. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Mon Feb 02, 2015 12:33 pm

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Nice work! Maybe it's just the angle but isn't the head a little big?
I think the angle does distort the size a bit, but maybe the head is a little big? I'm really not sure scratch I'll post better photos when it's finished and then I hope some of the horse experts will give me some feedback on the anatomical accuracies/ inaccuracies.

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An animal with such well-documented anatomy means good reference material but also high standards for accuracy- so it is a brave choice. On this latest profile view the muscles have a really striking sense of motion.
Thanks Andy, I certainly felt the pressure of representing this animal to the high standards you refer. I've never really spent much time around horses but the process of sculpting one has made me admire them so much more... they have amazing structure and subtleties that I had never contemplated before. My respect for horse sculptors has also grown tenfold!!

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Gorgeous! I really like his musculature. If you don't mind my suggestion - the eyes are little too high up and so are the ears. The ear bulb, eye, and nostril should be in a straight line.
Thanks for the great advice. I will do some work on the ears in particular which I think are also too small. The tip about the straight line is a good one that I'll definitely remember!
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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Mon Feb 02, 2015 1:08 pm

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Gorgeous! I really like his musculature. If you don't mind my suggestion - the eyes are little too high up and so are the ears. The ear bulb, eye, and nostril should be in a straight line.
Thanks for the great advice. I will do some work on the ears in particular which I think are also too small. The tip about the straight line is a good one that I'll definitely remember!

It is a gorgeous model, WOW !
I was thinking the same as LeeAnn, but who am I to tell a great artist like you geek Laughing

The tip is a great one! We often see in models, that it is hard to get it right. We see this problem even in several Breyer models Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:39 pm

Laughing And Peter Stones! Gosh, that new mustang is a mess.
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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Mon Feb 02, 2015 4:58 pm

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Laughing And Peter Stones! Gosh, that new mustang is a mess.

It is so great that I am not the only one thinking that Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:25 pm

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Gorgeous! I really like his musculature. If you don't mind my suggestion - the eyes are little too high up and so are the ears. The ear bulb, eye, and nostril should be in a straight line.
Thanks for the great advice. I will do some work on the ears in particular which I think are also too small. The tip about the straight line is a good one that I'll definitely remember!

It is a gorgeous model, WOW !
I was thinking the same as LeeAnn, but who am I to tell a great artist like you geek Laughing

The tip is a great one! We often see in models, that it is hard to get it right. We see this problem even in several Breyer models Very Happy

Here's another thinking the same thing Embarassed Razz Anyway you've done some great work there Very Happy Very Happy cheers This horse looks amazing even work in progress drunken Fantastic!

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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:58 am

The body looks amazing but the head looks a little off.

Whoops! Lee-Ann beat me to it!
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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:10 am

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Laughing And Peter Stones! Gosh, that new mustang is a mess.

Not quite as bad a cough cough Make A Wish and S Justadream cough. lol!
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PostSubject: Horse finished!   Thu Feb 12, 2015 10:20 am

Well here it is finished. Thanks to LeeAnn, Suzanne, Jonas and AlphMareArt who made me think harder about the head, I resculpted the ears as a result. This model took me way too long with lots of interruptions and so I struggled with keeping the clay malleable and had a few frustrating moments along the way. Being self critical I think the neck is too short and the head is slightly too large in proportion to the body. All in all I think it turned out ok and I'm pleased with the flow of the fur texture and the musculature in general. As always I welcome all feedback even if it's pointing out faults Shocked



  





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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Thu Feb 12, 2015 10:55 am

I think it's lovely work, congratulations!!! cheers

The head remind me actually very young horse with somewhat naive eyes. It almost feels like foals head. Which also match his colour which looks like bay going grey at very early stage. Only the body muscles are a bit too strong for very young horse.

It's very nicely sculpted horse and it's incredible you did such great work on a first horse you ever made. In my opinion horses are the most difficult animals to sculpt (maybe big cats are equally difficult?)

By the way which horse colours you wanted to make? Bay going grey or grullo? For the bay it would be great to add some black on the lower legs. For grullo you may need to paint dorsal stripe and perhaps some small markings on legs also. Wink

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I really like that horse!!! Big congratulations!!! cheers Applause Applause Applause

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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:01 pm

Wow what an impressive model ! You did a very good job, kudos !

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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:56 pm

Thanks Phexedrine Smile

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By the way which horse colours you wanted to make? Bay going grey or grullo? For the bay it would be great to add some black on the lower legs. For grullo you may need to paint dorsal stripe and perhaps some small markings on legs also.

I think the Bay is the better fit for this model, and thanks for pointing this out - I will definitely pay more attention to colouring on my next horse!
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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:50 pm

He's really fantastic for your first horse! Excellent work! cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:45 pm

Horses are harder to do than they look :) Good job.

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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Thu Feb 12, 2015 7:33 pm

Horses are difficult but fun to sculp Very Happy Applause Applause Applause 
Great job, it looks fantastic! cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:52 pm

Fantastic work Jason!! Love the muscles and fur texture. The paintwork is beautiful too.

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PostSubject: Re: Horse finished - page 3    Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:47 pm

I like it! The pose conveys motion very well.
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