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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:51 pm


I am happy that all the horses are well arrived in Denmark. Susanne, you have made really beautiful photos. I personally like the Hanoverian best. sunny

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:01 pm

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I am happy that all the horses are well arrived in Denmark. Susanne, you have made really beautiful photos. I personally like the Hanoverian best.  sunny

Thankyou, dear Yvette !
Yes, that Hanoverian is a beautful model, - one of the best they have made the last 6 years Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:01 am

Oh, what a nice surprise and amazing gift cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Mon Nov 02, 2015 11:27 am

Lovely new horses Susanne! I love the colour of Trakhener and my favourite from these horses is also the Hanoverian. Hurray for Yvette for helping you finding these rare editions Very Happy cheers
It's enormously interesting what you wrote about smokey blacks too, what a beautiful colour indeed! I wonder if that was what Schleich intended to paint or they just did it by accident scratch

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:11 pm

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Lovely new horses Susanne! I love the colour of Trakhener  and my favourite from these horses is also the Hanoverian. Hurray for Yvette for helping you finding these rare editions Very Happy cheers
It's enormously interesting what you wrote about smokey blacks too, what a beautiful colour indeed! I wonder if that was what Schleich intended to paint or they just did it by accident scratch

Laughing Laughing I am 99,99% sure they did it by accident Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:58 pm

Susanne - thank you for the information! :) I'm not surprised my professor was wrong, what she tells us very often is as she uses outdated information - she also told us homozygous roan foals are lethal, heh. But since there are a lot of people who know genetics in that group, including Lesli Kathman, (who wrote Equine Tapestry) I thought it would be trustworthy. Apparently not! Razz

I always found it a bit strange that cream supposedly did not affect black hair, yet double cream did. scratch Apparently the answer is it does!

(and I didn't mean to say smoky black doesn't exist - it does, of course, I meant simply that it cannot be seen, but I stand corrected. :))

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:38 pm

Thankyou, dear Pip Very Happy

The problem with research on shades of horse colour is extremely difficult, because people mistake them for other colours. For instance the mom of my BEC was registered as chestnut. She was even judged and accepted in the stud book both in Iceland, Germany and Denmark, - I have seen her, and she was clearly a dark palomino Wink

The smokies are often registered as blacks, or sooty-something, or even as light bay or dun !!!
But if you have seen one in real, you never mistake them again.

Laughing Laughing Well, in icelandic horses the roan is homozygote IS lethal !!!!
On Iceland the farmers association promised a large prize for the farmer, who could get a roan stallion judged as a first prize stud horse.
At the same time they told that you will not get more roans out of crossing two roans, - just fewer foals.
But a farmer sent a whole flock of good, roan mares and a very fine, roan stallion to an island and left them there during the summer.
The number of foals next spring was , however,  quite low.
And app half were roans, not  3/4 as should have been expected from a dominant gene, - or more than 3/4, if any of the mares had been homozygote.
The 1/4 of the foals which were homozygote were clearly missing , the mares had lost them some time during preganacy !
This is only one example in many.
The problem with scientific proof is, that many people confuse roans, roaning, and greys, so the statistics are not trustworthy, unless the scientist has seen each horse and - ha, ha, knows how they look Wink

Among the Belgian draft horses in Denmark the roan colour is very much desired, but they can NOT make all  -or even the majority - roan.
If they could, they would certainly do it. It would be very, very easy as the colour is 100% dominant, and just one, good, homozygote stallion could change the whole picture .
Still many of the breeders of Belgians claim that it is only a theory...old habits die very, very hard !

Sorry, I have to mention another stupid superstition about colours : Not many years ago the breeders of Connemaras claimed that BECs were ill, so they were not allowed in the stud book, - many even claimed that their parents carried a dangerous illness ( It was actually themselves who were ill (in the head)) Laughing .
I do not know if they have become wiser now, though.

Sorry, sorry. No more from me about this  Embarassed  Embarassed  What a Face

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:09 pm

Oh yes - I know there are a few breeds where homozygous roan is lethal, but it's not as general as our professor would have us believe. Even UC Davis, which I consider a reputable source, says that much, and there are tested homozygous roans so, it is possible. :)

Hopefully now colour testing will take precedence over simply looking when doing studies on equine colour, it's obviously much more accurate! Laughing

Oh, yes, I had heard about the problems with BEC Connemaras. Rolling Eyes It's like people who believe lighter hooves are more easily damaged than dark hooves!

Okay, I will shut up too! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:31 pm

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Okay, I will shut up too! Very Happy

...........silent  lol! lol! lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:10 am

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Lovely new horses Susanne! I love the colour of Trakhener  and my favourite from these horses is also the Hanoverian. Hurray for Yvette for helping you finding these rare editions Very Happy cheers
It's enormously interesting what you wrote about smokey blacks too, what a beautiful colour indeed! I wonder if that was what Schleich intended to paint or they just did it by accident scratch

Laughing Laughing I am 99,99% sure they did it by accident Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:56 pm

They are beautiful, congrats Susanne! I love you

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Tue Nov 03, 2015 3:41 pm

Fascinating discussion! Thank you both Susanne and Pip for increasing our knowledge.

I grew up around Arabians; roans are vanishingly rare (the color was heavily discriminated against, at least in the US, until recently) and the cream dilute is not present. So I did not know much about the heritability and phenotypic effects of the traits.

And as for records, I've looked up descendants of my mother's sweet stallion Tifer online. He was a lovely metallic blood bay, and registered as such. The records label him a chestnut! (bay is dominant over chestnut, he did carry and throw many chestnuts, but... Rolling Eyes !)

Embarassed my pet peeve is foals painted grey or white. Hello, foals are almost never (rareish homozygous creams the only exception I can think of right away, maybe also champagne?) born white, and none are born grey- some colors (black and darker ones) appear mousy in newborns and shed out darker; horses which will become greys (and eventually white, greys don't stay that way) are born a 'regular' color, and usually a dark shade of it. Blue/brown/bay roans can look grey, but they're born dark too, and their heads stay dark. Grey foals are dark, usually darker/purer shades of the color than their non-greying siblings, with a smattering of grey hairs around the eyes and the head greys first.

This is what I learned growing up, sound right to you guys? Like I said, it's experience with Arabs and half Arabs only. Second pet peeve is Arab sculpts in non Arab colors! Smile
(if I could afford it, I'd love a Weathergirl Breyer one day, but I've never seen one with a good real Arab paint job anyhow!)

And congratulations Susanne on the great additions! The QH is a nifty one, intentional paint job or not!
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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Tue Nov 03, 2015 7:26 pm

Thankyou, Pip !!!
WOW, growing up with Arabian horses drunken

What you write about greys and roans as foals is exacly what I have observed also Very Happy Very Happy

Laughing Laughing The case of Tife being recorded as chestnut is typical !!! That is also why scientific research can' t be based on pedigree records Rolling Eyes

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:47 pm

AGAIN a parcel from the fantastic Yvette  cheers  queen

The ostrich chick !!!!  I love you
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She is a wonderful cow,both beautyful and gentle, and smelling of warm hills and fresh grass...yes, yes, she does  Laughing
Here she is muching away together with her friend, the Fleckvieh cow 13134 from 2000 - 2008   Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:50 pm

Congrats on some lovely models. :)

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:59 pm

I like these babies that are really recently born creatures! Very Happy
The cow is really a fortunate special edition once it resulted very beautiful. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:07 pm

Thankyou, Laura and Roger  Very Happy  Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:10 pm

That baby ostridge is so flipping cute!

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:18 pm

Such lovely new additions, congratulations! Very Happy The cow is really beautiful, she has a very sweet look. The ostrich chick is so cute! I love you I love you

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:27 am

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Shocked It must be a ghost Shocked Laughing Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:12 am

Beautieful Schleich additions Susanne :)

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:39 pm

Congrats Susanne! Very Happy Love the new cow I love you

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:48 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:21 am

How lucky you are, the Algäuer cow is so nice ! Where did you order it ?

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:23 am

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Yvette ( 75senta75) got her for me ! queen  cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:31 pm

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A cople of weeks ago I found a composition camel on a net-site for second-hand stuff, at a very reasonalble price.
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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Sun Dec 06, 2015 7:12 pm

Congrats on such lovely rarities!  That's a great assortment. And I'm sure your capercaille loves his new beak. It looks natural enough on him if I hadn't read the description I wouldn't have known. :)

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Sun Dec 06, 2015 7:51 pm

Oh wowww, these old models made my day (ups evening) Susanne Very Happy cheers Applause
They are so wonderful..all of them.. and with your great photos I realy engoy them.
So great new (old) models for your collection, congratulations sunny

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Sun Dec 06, 2015 7:58 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Sun Dec 06, 2015 8:35 pm

You always know how to bring forth the charm, these old animals have, in your photos Very Happy drunken Applause
So the seller was really generous, how else, you are too cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Sun Dec 06, 2015 9:17 pm

I am a big enthusiast of these old composition figures although I only have few. Among my collection there's the fabulous Lineol eland we can see in your pictures. Very Happy
The okapi is quite surprising and the goat looks like an ibex. Capercaili very expressive and musk ox full of character. Congratulations! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Sun Dec 06, 2015 10:14 pm

Some amazing models Susanne :) Congrats Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Sun Dec 06, 2015 10:49 pm

Wonderful old models and so expressive! Applause Applause Applause

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:01 am

Wonderful, wonderful new additions, Susanne! Congratulations. Very Happy The Tipple-Topple hind has to be my favourite - she has such a sweet face!

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Mon Dec 07, 2015 8:12 am

Thankyou very much Karin, Roger, Florian, Taylor and Pip cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Mon Dec 07, 2015 8:13 am

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...The Tipple-Topple hind has to be my favourite - she has such a sweet face!

You are so right ! cheers She seems just a "brown thing", but she is very special drunken

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Mon Dec 07, 2015 9:18 am

Very very beautieful and interesting oldies Susanne :)

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:48 pm

Beautiful critters Susanne, congratulations! cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:48 pm

Thankyou, Andreas and LeeAnn Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:37 pm

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Can you make a photo of the little marten type animal on the branch please? :3

Better late than never Wink
Here he is, the beautyful pine marden from Lineol , first made in 1938 :

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A shame that a bit is broken off the base, but who looks at the base when there is a pine marten in the spotlight ? Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:00 pm

That is a really fabulous figure. :) Congrats

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:53 pm

These pointy ears instead of their round ears makes it look almost like a fox. That's a truly wonderful figure and it makes me think how incredible it is that I have more than 100 foxes and not a grey fox yet! Shocked Embarassed It is a marten Roger. Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:56 am

I love seeing models like these, they always have such character and seem so alive despite their lack of modern realism. drunken Great new marten, and big congrats! Applause

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:42 am

Congratz on all the new ones
Love that pine marden he is so cute !!

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Wed Dec 09, 2015 7:12 pm

Phantastic too Susanne :)

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Wed Dec 09, 2015 7:23 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:31 pm

wonderful classic models Susanne, im so happy for you. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Various news in Susanne's collection 2015, update December 29th, wonderful parcel from Laura :-D   Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:46 pm

Thankyou, dear Sauro Very Happy Very Happy

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