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I guess it's time to talk about the new Schleich Rattlesnake ( Crotalus ????).
Crotalus is the genus of "American only" venomous pit vipers. These snakes are well known for the rattle on the end of the tail which makes this group so distinctive. 32 species are recognized.

The Schleich 14740 Rattlesnake is a nicely made model with excellent details for it's size. The company called it a Rattlesnake (Crotalus) and let the customer choose the species... A really hard task Laughing  Head, body and rattle patterns can't really help for that.

IMHO, if you don't want to repaint your's, you have in your hand a new specie, the Schleich 14740 Rattlesnake (Crotalus schleichi) Wink. Maybe a specialist could help here ? Very Happy

and now, let the pics talking. cheers If they are too big for someone, let me know Very Happy

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I guess it's time to talk about the new Schleich Rattlesnake ( Crotalus ????).
Crotalus is the genus of "American only" venomous pit vipers. These snakes are well known for the rattle on the end of the tail which makes this group so distinctive. 32 species are recognized.

The Schleich 14740 Rattlesnake is a nicely made model with excellent details for it's size. The company called it a Rattlesnake (Crotalus) and let the customer choose the species... A really hard task Laughing  Head, body and rattle patterns can't really help for that.

IMHO, if you don't want to repaint your's, you have in your hand a new specie, the Schleich 14740 Rattlesnake (Crotalus schleichi) Wink. Maybe a specialist could help here ? Very Happy

and now, let the pics talking. cheers If they are too big for someone, let me know Very Happy




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This is a very good snake! Very Happy I will buy it :3 Thank you for the photos, Kiki cheers

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Thank you for a walkaround, Kiki! cheers
Yesterday I visited the shops with major brands and I bought 5 new Schleich animals. I saw all new snakes too and I should say that they're very beautiful. I also liked new crocodile. I thought that it's little cartoonish, but it's great model indeed! Not cartoonish at all!

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Thank you Kiki,  a interesting snake :)

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I love this snake, and cannot wait to get one for my collection. I've been hoping for a rattlesnake for a few years now, and though the fangs are quite big (though we have to remember they have to comply to safety standards, and you can't very well leave the fangs off of a cobra or a wound up rattlesnake...) and the painting could have been better, I still think this is one of the better models from Schleich this year. Congrats! cheers

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A real hotheaded little critter Laughing

I just love this fellow, - Schleich is still alive cheers

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Great Walkaround Christophe!

This is a fantastic model in my opinion. It a contender for my favorite Schleich model of 2015. After getting it and seeing it in person, I also ordered one for my son's collection. It's such an appealing sculpt.

(Susanne puts it: Schleich is still alive. This model reminds me of the old days where one just fell in love with some of their models. I feel similarly about the Alligator. I'm really smitten by that and this Rattlesnake.)
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p.s. it's such a surprisingly small model as well, which in my view is just more impressive!
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I am considering to get it, although I don't like when species are not identified. I hope someone can assign it to a species. Pictures are excellent as usual what turn these fangs probably more terrible than they are in real. I love the detail and the clever pose. cheers

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Thank you for your comments Very Happy

2015 is indeed a very good year for Schleich, a fresh start and this Rattlesnake is among the front runners. Nevertheless, I agree with Rogério, even with an accurate painting, the sales won't crumble. Wink

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now this made me wonder, too, what subspecies it could be, - and searching wikipedia, I found that there are SO MANY [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Shocked

I had no idea that there were such an abundance of different ones scratch

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It could nearly be a Prairie Rattlesnake, the main problem is the tail. Prairie rattlesnakes have banded tail as a lot of Crotalus. scratch

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Beautyful beast, - in a picture Shocked Laughing

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Yeah, I wasn't able to work out what species the rattlesnake was.

That's not saying much, though. Other than having run into several rattlesnakes while back packing in my youth, I don't know that much about them except what I can glean from the internet like everybody else.

I suspect it's a "generic" sculpt and that the paintwork pattern -- in particular the lack of bands near the tail -- is mainly the result of laziness on the part of the company.

(I still love it though. And I'd recommend it to anyone.)

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This is a fantastic model in my opinion. It a contender for my favorite Schleich model of 2015. After getting it and seeing it in person, I also ordered one for my son's collection. It's such an appealing sculpt.

(Susanne puts it: Schleich is still alive. This model reminds me of the old days where one just fell in love with some of their models. I feel similarly about the Alligator. I'm really smitten by that and this Rattlesnake.)
I agree, I think there is a faint pulse still there for them, hopefully it only gets stronger from here. Wink And yes, I think this is one of the best models from them year, and many of their figures look much nicer in person than in the catalogue, and have had good improvement from the past few "cutesy" years. Very Happy

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many of their figures look much nicer in person than in the catalogue

I agree entirely. It's kind of surprising. The Eurasian Eagle Owl for example is so much better in person; it really kind of surprised me.

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I agree, I think there is a faint pulse still there for them, hopefully it only gets stronger from here. Wink

Very nice way of putting it Paige.

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I agree, I think there is a faint pulse still there for them, hopefully it only gets stronger from here. Wink

Very nice way of putting it Paige.


scratch ... Embarassed ... I don't understand... Please help poor macaque Sad

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Very Happy cheers Applause Cool Cool Cool sunny king
Christophe Congratulations on acquisitions; I'm still dazzled by your beautiful pictures around the model. I really like;
I also fell this year under the spell of reptilles Schleich!
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Yes this snake is so charming, a real top model Very Happy

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I agree, I think there is a faint pulse still there for them, hopefully it only gets stronger from here. Wink

Very nice way of putting it Paige.


scratch ... Embarassed ... I don't understand... Please help poor macaque Sad

Checking a faint pulse (putting a finger on an artery to check if the heart is still working) is what a doctor does when examining a very heavily injured victim to see if that person is still alive.
"Yes, I can feel a faint pulse! IT'S STILL ALIVE!"

So when the pulse becomes stronger, so is the victim.
"Yes, the pulse is getting stronger. IT WILL SURVIVE!"

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Thank you Simone cheers

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We are here to help each other.
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This rattlesnake was identified in another forum as a [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] (Crotalus atrox). As nobody objected, I used that identification on TAI. Any objection here? Very Happy

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This rattlesnake was identified in another forum as a [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] (Crotalus atrox). As nobody objected, I used that identification on TAI. Any objection here? Very Happy

I still think this one looks also like a prairie rattlesnake and the tail is wrong in both.

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This rattlesnake was identified in another forum as a [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] (Crotalus atrox). As nobody objected, I used that identification on TAI. Any objection here? Very Happy

I still think this one looks also like a prairie rattlesnake and the tail is wrong in both.

I am sure it is a hard task to identify rattlesnake species and that's the reason why I mentioned the identification was not of my authory.
Checking what Animal Diversity Web reads:
Western diamondback:
Crotalus atrox has a plump body, short tail, and a broad triangular head. Crotalus atrox can be a yellowish gray, pale blue, or pinkish ground color. The diamond shapes down its length are dark with pale white borders. The tail is white with jet-black rings. The head markings include a pale oblique band from nostril to upper labials, and a similar but narrower band behind the eye.

Prairie rattlesnake:
The various subspecies of Crotalus viridis may vary slightly in color. Most are greenish gray or greenish brown in color, although members of one subspecies are black with only slight markings. These rattlesnakes have from 33-55 dark blotches on their back, which flatten into rings on the tail, surrounded by lighter markings.

From this what is my conclusion? That your identification of Crotalus schleichi is correct. Laughing
... and Prarie rattlesnakes are really similar to several Western rattlesnakes actually. The only real point favouring the diamondback rattlers is that they are very popular and even the Blip Toys, from Kosta, seems to be sold as a diamondback.

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I prefer Prairie rattlesnake because of the tail, it is less wrong than the Western diamondback which have a very distinctive tail.

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Interesting information :)

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I prefer Prairie rattlesnake because of the tail, it is less wrong than the Western diamondback which have a very distinctive tail.

Although I don't think Schleich used a prairie rattlesnake as a reference to that figure, I also think it works better as a prairie than any of the diamondbacks. I will change it on TAI although the discussion is obviously open to other suggestions. Very Happy

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I prefer Prairie rattlesnake because of the tail, it is less wrong than the Western diamondback which have a very distinctive tail.

Although I don't think Schleich used a prairie rattlesnake as a reference to that figure, I also think it works better as a prairie than any of the diamondbacks. I will change it on TAI although the discussion is obviously open to other suggestions. Very Happy

I agree Very Happy

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I just brought up these questions on the TAI thread, namely who determined the species for the Schleich and Mojo figures?
Unless it is specifically marketed as such, I am sure all 'rattlesnakes' are the western diamondback, maybe eastern diamondback. You can compare online photos all you want, the diamondbacks are the go-to rattlesnake species (trust me, I literally grew up with them!!!)
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For the Mojo, Susanne and Rogério worked on that one. As far as I'm concerned I can't say if it fits better as a Western or Eastern rattlesnake.

For the Schleich, I made the job.

For me both Schleich and Mojo rattlesnakes look more like a Prairie rattlesnake because of the tail. I compared a lot of pics before I made a choice.

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I wonder if TAI should take a more conservative approach. Only post things at the level specified by the company, and then on the individual figures page discuss species-level possibilities based on the sculpt and color. Coming up with IDs based on one or two individuals' comparison of images on the internet can be misleading (also, you are assuming the images on the internet are correct to begin with!). Doing it for one's personal collection is one thing, but stating so on a public site like TAI can be misleading for its audience.
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It makes sense, it means we will have to put them in the Viperidae page as Unidentified Vipers.

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I don't remember where I based my identification of Mojö's rattler. scratch I should have pointed it in its page.
I already thought several times about the best method to manage with toy animal species identifications when not provided. Though, if we reverse everything that is ambiguous or not identifyied by any official source, we will need to work exclusively at the wiki eduring several months. Also, loads of species page will desapear or get empty. Especially the arthropods section that shows several figures whose species identifications were community based.
Maybe we should keep the same way but put a note after the species name telling if there is a source or if it is community based.
It is good to remember also that lots of figures we don't have any identification at all once we don't find the brand webpages anymore or catalogues are not known. In this case, even a simple giraffe, is a community based identification if we don't find a source telling what it is.

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If by community-based arthropod IDs, remember those IDs of mine are for figures in my personal collection that I post in my walkarounds, and I clearly state when they are my IDs (or I try to most of the time). If you chose to blindly adopt them for TAI, you can, but at your risk. Sometimes I re-evaluate my IDs or make corrections based on other people's suggestions, and those may not be reflected in TAI

I like the idea of putting a simple comment on whether or not they are community-based; that would be very helpful for the TAI audience.
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I guess the rattlesnakes problem is solved now.  Wink  I will make a few more change but I hope you already approve the new TAW page.

I also think we should adopt a middle ground position. Sometimes "community" ID's are questionable and sometimes they are obvious. I think about some misleading names on PV animals, the real species can be known without a doubt. It is less easy when you go on the Tortoise pages. What is an Aldabra and what is a Galapagos ? We know the differences between them but can we do the job ?

There is also some "community ID's" models that are accepted by nearly the whole community. For example, when I asked if the PV "Prehistoric hyena" could be a Hyaenodon, many collectors told me it is "obviously" an Andrewsarchus.

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