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PostSubject: I saw a kouprey on a Chinese online shop but there are some handmade models from Anna on one picture ... strange no ???   Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:26 pm

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Look at the last one Wink What is this amazing Saola?

Is it a STS forum member?

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PostSubject: Re: I saw a kouprey on a Chinese online shop but there are some handmade models from Anna on one picture ... strange no ???   Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:20 pm

What a kouprey, more informations please and one foe me:)

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PostSubject: Re: I saw a kouprey on a Chinese online shop but there are some handmade models from Anna on one picture ... strange no ???   Sun Mar 29, 2015 9:31 pm

The guy is also selling Schleich animals [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and he is using Tim(Tierman)'s pic for that purpose Sad

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PostSubject: Re: I saw a kouprey on a Chinese online shop but there are some handmade models from Anna on one picture ... strange no ???   Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:15 pm

What a jerk Suspect

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PostSubject: Re: I saw a kouprey on a Chinese online shop but there are some handmade models from Anna on one picture ... strange no ???   Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:35 am

Now i have seen what Kiki means and i am not sure if it is a serios seller.

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PostSubject: Re: I saw a kouprey on a Chinese online shop but there are some handmade models from Anna on one picture ... strange no ???   Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:48 am

Very interesting! I think Kouprey is beautiful!
And about my models of animals, yes, I have sent some animals figures also to Chinese collectors, so I'm not very surprised Smile

About using Tim's photos, it's very unfortunate and not nice from side of this seller. But perhaps he just didn't know and considered these photos as some kind of official schleich photos? scratch Of course it's bad to use someones photos, I agree with that, he should have been ask for permission or buy the photos first. But I see small chance that he just didn't know...

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PostSubject: Re: I saw a kouprey on a Chinese online shop but there are some handmade models from Anna on one picture ... strange no ???   Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:25 pm

Mad And the even more frustrating part is when you can't speak that language to ask them to remove the photos...

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PostSubject: Re: I saw a kouprey on a Chinese online shop but there are some handmade models from Anna on one picture ... strange no ???   Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:54 pm

I'm pretty sure he can speak English, maybe we should ask him about the photos somehow? Can we do it via this website I wonder? scratch

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PostSubject: Re: I saw a kouprey on a Chinese online shop but there are some handmade models from Anna on one picture ... strange no ???   Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:40 pm

I'm sorry but I've learned here that using pictures from others is OK? How many times have members of the STS used pictures from other pages? Did you every thought about that they may also don't like this? I'm sorry to say that but I think it's good that this happened also here...
And I'm sorry for everyone who is involved in this, especially Tim and Anna.

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PostSubject: Re: I saw a kouprey on a Chinese online shop but there are some handmade models from Anna on one picture ... strange no ???   Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:12 pm

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I'm sorry but I've learned here that using pictures from others is OK? How many times have members of the STS used pictures from other pages? Did you every thought about that they may also don't like this? I'm sorry to say that but I think it's good that this happened also here...
And I'm sorry for everyone who is involved in this, especially Tim and Anna.

Bryan, I have not seen photos by others used inappropriately here at STS. Where have you seen this? Taking photos from other websites and claiming them as your own or using them to sell an item without permission of the owner is wrong, indeed. But I haven't seen it here. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: I saw a kouprey on a Chinese online shop but there are some handmade models from Anna on one picture ... strange no ???   Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:56 pm

Bryan is absolutly right! Wink

At the moment, I have no time to search after topics with pictures posted without quoting the source.

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PostSubject: Re: I saw a kouprey on a Chinese online shop but there are some handmade models from Anna on one picture ... strange no ???   Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:01 pm

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Bryan is absolutly right! Wink

At the moment, I have no time to search after topics with pictures posted without quoting the source.

Bryan is wrong, maybe some members used and will use other's pics for explaining something, but nobody here is using other's pics to sell something or make some money...

IMHO it is obviously a VERY BIG difference Wink

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PostSubject: Re: I saw a kouprey on a Chinese online shop but there are some handmade models from Anna on one picture ... strange no ???   Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:38 pm

I don't think so Christophe. Of course it is something different if you try to explain something, or if you want to sell something. But in both cases you have robbed some pictures. What about you, I belive I can post every of your pictures in other forums?

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PostSubject: Re: I saw a kouprey on a Chinese online shop but there are some handmade models from Anna on one picture ... strange no ???   Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:58 pm

My pics are on STS, some are on Flickr, and someone can decide to Pinterest them. I know, like everybody I guess, that my pics can be seen and loaded, it is not a problem for me. though I would not agree if someone will use my pics to make money without my agreement and I would not agree if someone would use a full walkaround in another forum or on a blog.

I don't agree with you because you are comparing as equal two things that are really different. We are a lot to use some real animal pics in our topics, sometimes we can see the name of the photograph and sometimes not. Nevertheless I can't find a place here where a member is using other people pics to sale something or saying it is its own work.

If we were a Zoo or wildlife forum, it would be bad to use other site wildlife or zoo pics, as it would be bad to use DTF or ATF pics on STS.

The only story I can remember is the Safari Ltd archaeopteryx pics. Those came from a DTF member and we verified that he agreed with the use of his pics on STS. If it wasn't the case the admin would put it in the basket.

This is a big difference again with what I saw in Florian's link and I'm sad you can't see it.

But maybe I missed something, if so I hope you will enlighten me with facts. By example who is using pics of other Toys forums on STS? If you are aware of something you should tell us.

About members using other members' pics on different topics: STS is a community, and inside STS we share our passion together. Every member is allowed to share and discuss everything inside the forum. A topic is not a personnel blog.

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PostSubject: Re: I saw a kouprey on a Chinese online shop but there are some handmade models from Anna on one picture ... strange no ???   Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:05 am

Bryan ,
when we post photos here , in this forum, we are doing this for the people in the forum.
And yes, the others can use my or your photos, but here, in the forum! We made this photos..for the forum...so , the people can use them, to explain something here. And even when they do that, the behaved and polite people, still ask for a permission to do that.
Also it`s possible for some of us, to use photos from other members, for other reasons...which are not in this forum...BUT , we MUST ask for permission, before to do that...and of course , in a kindly way.
When somebody want to sell something...and he use photos of somebody else, without permission... this is violation of UNWRITTEN law on copyright protection !
And it`s just like that.
And it`s too rough.
Yes, somebody will still do that....but it is a matter of education and mentality,
and of course , respect for the work of the other person...to chouse to do that.

...I`m sorry Kiki, I just wrote that, before I saw, that you made your answer... maybe I repeat you... :)

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PostSubject: Re: I saw a kouprey on a Chinese online shop but there are some handmade models from Anna on one picture ... strange no ???   Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:27 am

You are welcome Kosta Very Happy  And Bonobo, and Arafan are welcome too Wink

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PostSubject: Re: I saw a kouprey on a Chinese online shop but there are some handmade models from Anna on one picture ... strange no ???   Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:37 am

i had it already written, so sorry for repeating Kiki amd Kosta but I think one more opinion maybe helps.
Showing a picture from an external link im a forum for informative or ludic purposes is completely different from using a picture im a website to sell something. Im the first case nobody is giving a commercial use of it nor using the picture as its own propriety. Im the second case, the person is using it to take commercial advantage, it is not used directly from the original source amd it shows what is supposed to be sold. We have not only a incorrect use from a picture as we also have wrong information being provided to the buyers. So what's the doubt about what Christophe stated? He is completely right.Some more differences: im the first case, we are often using the original source amd using forum tools to make the picturedisplay  directly om forum instead of using a simple link. Actually, it is considered only an external link amd not an incorrect use of a picture.It doesn't happen im the second case amd using pictures of the wrong object im sales websites is often not allowed.I believe it happens because people wants to take a minimal effort amd not to  deluding  the buyer but the supposed good intention doesn't serve as an excuse.

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PostSubject: Re: I saw a kouprey on a Chinese online shop but there are some handmade models from Anna on one picture ... strange no ???   Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:00 pm

Christophe, is he really making money with that picture? I don't think so, he sells the figure not the picture. And I also don't really think it's a difference if you use a picture of real animal or a animal replica, both were taken by somebody who has put a lot of time in this picture. And I'm absolutely agree, members can use a other members pictures. 
So Kosta, I'm absolutely agree with you, but the problem is that some people use them without the permisson, just look at some different topics you'll find pictures that aren't from here (for example Arkive). 
Roger, you are right but isn't it the same thing as you use a picture that was taken by the brand itself? And you can't expect something if you are doing this by yourself, personaly I don't mind when someone uses my pictures. But I know that a lot don't think so, and I think they (and their pictures) also deserve respect.

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PostSubject: Re: I saw a kouprey on a Chinese online shop but there are some handmade models from Anna on one picture ... strange no ???   Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:22 pm

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Christophe, is he really making money with that picture? I don't think so, he sells the figure not the picture...
That's the problem, he sells the figure but not THAT figure in picture...

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PostSubject: Re: I saw a kouprey on a Chinese online shop but there are some handmade models from Anna on one picture ... strange no ???   Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:18 pm

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Christophe, is he really making money with that picture?

Bryan, look at it this way.

Here's a picture of a Breyer model from [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] eBay auction.
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And here's this one, the same model but different horses, from [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] eBay auction.
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Let's say the auction you were bidding on used the second image. You would think that horse you're buying is in perfect condition, no paint loss or flaws whatsoever.

Except, that photo doesn't belong to the seller in question. The real model you received is the first one, with all that paint loss, and a much darker color! affraid How would you feel? You would feel like you were ripped off and scammed. You would be furious that what you received was not the same thing. Perhaps you would even feel angry that the seller stole the photo from someone else and send you a different horse than was pictured. You purchased that model because you wanted the one in that picture. That's why you bid on the auction. You paid the seller, and the seller made money. Why did the seller make money? Because you bought what you thought was the model in that photo, but it was actually a stolen, copyright protected image.

What if you won the auction, paid for the model, but the model never arrived? Then what? The seller doesn't actually have that model. They stole the photo from elsewhere just to get your money. But you'll never get the model.

Does that make sense? Wink

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PostSubject: Re: I saw a kouprey on a Chinese online shop but there are some handmade models from Anna on one picture ... strange no ???   Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:00 pm

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Christophe, is he really making money with that picture? I don't think so, he sells the figure not the picture. And I also don't really think it's a difference if you use a picture of real animal or a animal replica, both were taken by somebody who has put a lot of time in this picture. And I'm absolutely agree, members can use a other members pictures. 
So Kosta, I'm absolutely agree with you, but the problem is that some people use them without the permisson, just look at some different topics you'll find pictures that aren't from here (for example Arkive). 
Roger, you are right but isn't it the same thing as you use a picture that was taken by the brand itself? And you can't expect something if you are doing this by yourself, personaly I don't mind when someone uses my pictures. But I know that a lot don't think so, and I think they (and their pictures) also deserve respect.

Bryan, you still don`t see the difference, between using other`s photos to show something here....and using other`s photos, to sell something.
Roger, or all of us, don`t use this photos to sell something. Actually, when we use the original photos of models by the brands, we help with
advertising for the companies Wink
And yes, the guy can realy making money with stealing other`s photos.
If the photos are good, his models can be sold, more easily.
Now, leeAnn gave you good examples for some sitoations...and I`ll give you one other example from my life :
Imagine that :
I`m making a dance choreography..and I show it, as a video in youtube. And it`s written : choreography by Kosta.
Now, let`s say, some dance group from... China for example, see my choreography, they like it..and they decide to copie everything from my video...music, moves...everything. And then, they start to dance ``my choreography`` as their own.. and they start to make money of it, performing it, as a job somewhere.
So, I can`t do nothing about it. But like this, they are stealing my time, which I gave to make this choreography...and also my skills..my experience ...
And they are making money in easyer way.
Imagine also, that maybe some organizer of the dance festival, like that choreography too...and he want to invite these dancers on his festival....but he first see not my video, but them video (just a bad luck)...
So, he will invite them, not me.
It is the same with these photos. Try to put this story on this situation wit stealing photos form others..and selling your models presenting them.
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PostSubject: Re: I saw a kouprey on a Chinese online shop but there are some handmade models from Anna on one picture ... strange no ???   Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:26 pm

Bryan, Robert and LeeAn already answered you but I need to do so again.

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Christophe, is he really making money with that picture? I don't think so, he sells the figure not the picture.

It is obvious this people is using a pic of Tim's collection to sell something else. Not the figure, another thing. It is unfair, when I want to sell my house I don't use pics of my neibourgh house, with or without permission. So I think you can't treat things as equal.

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And I also don't really think it's a difference if you use a picture of real animal or a animal replica, both were taken by somebody who has put a lot of time in this picture. And I'm absolutely agree, members can use a other members pictures. 
So Kosta, I'm absolutely agree with you, but the problem is that some people use them without the permisson, just look at some different topics you'll find pictures that aren't from here (for example Arkive). 

So, for you there is no difference? I don't agree with you and, for example  Wink , the Arkive team doesn't agree with you. Arkive agree with me and agree that people use their pics and movies except for commercial purpose. you should read the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

When someone used sites like photobucket or Flickr, he can choose to share on a public or a private page. It is the same for STS, the images are only visible for members but we could choose to open the pics to the guest. STS is a private place. When I am posting here, I post pics in aprivate place for sharing with the other members. When I post pics on Flickr, I post in a public site and I agree someone pin my pics, because I want to share them with the world. nevertheless, it doesn't mean I agree that someone will use my pics to make money. I guess it is obvious.

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Roger, you are right but isn't it the same thing as you use a picture that was taken by the brand itself? And you can't expect something if you are doing this by yourself, personaly I don't mind when someone uses my pictures. But I know that a lot don't think so, and I think they (and their pictures) also deserve respect.

The brands make pics to sell their models and are very happy when their commercial pics spread in the web. A brand who would make private commercial pics would be very insane.

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