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PostSubject: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Tue May 12, 2015 10:02 pm

Once I almost have made replicas of every 15 genus from the Felidae Family, I am going to start to make the rest of the tribe beginning with one specimen of the King: his majestic , THE LION

My initial plan for the entire collection is to include 5 different replicas of Lions: one Southeast African lion (Panthera Leo krugeri),  a lioness of the same subspecie, and another  male in his white path. I also want to make an specimen of Barbary lion (Panthera Leo Leo) in an standing posture (to show his big extended mane) and another one of their Asiatic brother (Panthera lion persica).

Additionally I was also considering to make a West African lion (Panthera Leo senegalensis) which is characterized by his reduced mane, although I am not quite convinced already.

For sure I want one of them to be laying and another with a roaring gesture.

Although making all these replicas has to be alternated  with the rest of the cats still left, I am considering to start with a Lying Southeast African lion like in the picture. What do you think?


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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Wed May 13, 2015 12:55 am

I think your project is amazing...and you perfectly know what to do , and how to do it :)
Great choice for the lions....and first one will be perfect :)

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Wed May 13, 2015 2:36 am

Oh lions! Shocked I love lions although they are the most common toy replicas. We don't see they often in homemade projects, maybe because they are very hard to get correctly. We are also always very exigent with that particular animal once we know it very well.
I find your choices very good, mainly the South African lion, Barbary and Asiatic. The first is the common big African lion we know. The best to choose the lying pose for sure. The Barbary is the most impressive because of the mane so it has to be standing. The Asiatic shall work perfectly with a more dynamic pose as long as we can see their typical belly folds. Very excited to see your kings of the jungles! Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Wed May 13, 2015 8:44 am

Very exiting bounce
I love the lying pose also, and it will be great together with the tanding and sitting models you already have...and male lions DO tend to lie dow a lot Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sat May 16, 2015 1:06 am

Fully involved in the sculpting process ..see an initial step:


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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sat May 16, 2015 1:10 am

Wow...look`s amazing cheers

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sat May 16, 2015 1:13 am

Mgarat, can I ask you...this clay, which you use... is it Super sculpey firm ?

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sat May 16, 2015 1:20 am

Thanks Kosta. For the lion I am using  Aves Apoxie Sculpt 2 components. I used Sculpy firm also for other models.

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sat May 16, 2015 1:26 am

Thank you Mgarat....this Apoxie has limited time to get dry right? And the Sculpey ..you have to bake it.. ?

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sat May 16, 2015 1:34 am

That's right. Once mixed, you will have approximately 3 hours to work although you can expedite the process to s few minutes heating the model.  I use to work layer by layer, heating the model between  them using a heating lamp.

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sat May 16, 2015 1:38 am

Thank you for the info :)))

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sat May 16, 2015 1:38 am

Looking great... more pics? bounce Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sat May 16, 2015 1:45 am

I am out the studio now. Tomorrow. I promise.  However, it is still in its initial steps...

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sat May 16, 2015 1:48 am

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Thank you for the info :)))
You are more than wellcome!!!. Dont hesitate to ask whatever you want... Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sat May 16, 2015 1:54 am

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Thank you for the info :)))
You are more than wellcome!!!. Dont hesitate to ask whatever you want... Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Thank you, for shure I will :) I want to start soon, making my own models....
but i don`t have experience with thiese tipe of clays :)

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sat May 16, 2015 9:35 am

All I can say is : WOW affraid

All your models are great, but it seems that you are improving from cat to cat bounce

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I am out the studio now. Tomorrow. I promise.  However, it is still in its initial steps...

Ohh, I can't wait bounce bounce

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sat May 16, 2015 1:58 pm

So, now, as I promise, but take in mind that I am still sculpting...




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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sat May 16, 2015 4:03 pm

it is just awesome....and still you are working on him .. :)
Haha, the last photo is very funny ..with this metal tail Very Happy
Great model Mgarat :)

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sun May 17, 2015 1:10 am

Thanks for extra pictures, I am glad you're still working, it is not easy to prevent that a lion look somewhat cartoonish and I am sure you'll manage it. Very Happy
Could you please resize the uploaded pictures to 1024 pixels or less? They're too big although it is not noticiable and page gets slow. Let me know if you need my help. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sun May 17, 2015 1:56 am

Thank you Kosta for your nice words

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Thanks for extra pictures, I am glad you're still working, it is not easy to prevent that a lion look somewhat cartoonish and I am sure you'll manage it. Very Happy

Oh yes!. This is something that use to happen whith unpainted figures that are going to be painted with dark and clear areas...there are some tricks you can use to prevent this effect if the final figure is going to be unpainted (monocolor) like using coarsed areas to show them as if they were darker...(hollowed pupils are the best example). Although this is not the case and once painted I hope I will be able to preset the lion with his natural majestic temper...

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Could you please resize the uploaded pictures to 1024 pixels or less? They're too big although it is not noticiable and page gets slow. Let me know if you need my help. Very Happy

done! Sorry I thought I had done it already.

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sun May 17, 2015 2:55 am

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sun May 17, 2015 4:43 pm

Mgarat wrote:

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Could you please resize the uploaded pictures to 1024 pixels or less? They're too big although it is not noticiable and page gets slow. Let me know if you need my help. Very Happy

done! Sorry I thought I had done it already.

Thanks for resizing your pictures and also for great tip about unpainted figures. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sun May 17, 2015 5:45 pm

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Thanks for resizing your pictures and also for great tip about unpainted figures. Very Happy

Fine! I was not sure I was understable (my poor english...).

What I meant is that is difficult to imagine the final result of an unpainted figure because following paint can/should modify/rectify volumes and appearance.

However, your point, as every one yo gave me, was really centered and useful. In fact I use to have problems with big cat faces, because -with so big muzzles- they easily tend to appear comical or silly instead of fierce and savage . So, as you said, is better to be aware...

Once again I really appreciate this kind of comments and I hope yo continue to do so... Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

So, taking this in mind, I have been working in the face of my lion and this is the current status



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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sun May 17, 2015 7:39 pm

How could I miss your new pics?
Mgarat, your new lion is absolutaly wonderful! cheers
I think he will look like real one after painting bounce sunny

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sun May 17, 2015 9:34 pm

Interesting subspecie:)

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Mon May 18, 2015 2:15 pm

Very good job on his face :)
It will be a great model. :)

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Tue May 19, 2015 2:55 am

I think it is looking better now and I am glad my comment was useful although I was not able of being objective. The important is that your lion is really lloking great and as there are more lions in your project, particularly the Asiatic lion, you'll notice how some little difference, apparently not very visible, can determine a correct look to each subspecies. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Tue May 19, 2015 1:16 pm

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I think it is looking better now and I am glad my comment was useful although I was not able of being objective.

What!!! you were completely objective....and your comment extremely useful!!! ...and helps me to understand the little (and no so little) differences between lion subspecies.

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Tue May 19, 2015 1:47 pm

He reminds me of Aslan, the big male lion from Narnia.
He is stunning and I can't wait to see him painted Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Tue May 19, 2015 5:30 pm

Beautiful figure with a perfect modeling. Leon relaxed posture is very attractive. Congratulations !! Applause Applause

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Tue May 19, 2015 7:23 pm

Absolutly great so far!
Great to see those hidden species knowbody talks about becamming a masterpiece of model arts Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Wed May 20, 2015 2:34 am

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I think it is looking better now and I am glad my comment was useful although I was not able of being objective.

What!!! you were completely objective....and your comment extremely useful!!! ...and helps me to understand the little (and no so little) differences between lion subspecies.

Thanks again!

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Wed May 27, 2015 8:39 pm

Hello fellows!!! I am back to this topic. The reason why I was out these last days is because I was learning and trying to make copies of my own models, now I can customize them to appear different variations...

This is the result!!!





Now I will continue with the Felidae Family Project

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Wed May 27, 2015 9:11 pm

Wow, it sounds wonderful cheers
It's so nice that now you can do copies, and the material is very nice as I can see: no one detail was missed in processing of copy Very Happy cheers I love you

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Wed May 27, 2015 9:46 pm

You learned quite fast how to make moulds and as Anasta commented, it seems copies are perfect! Shocked I believe that is a very good news for you and also for the friends of the forum. bounce bounce

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Thu May 28, 2015 1:06 am

Wow, that`s realy great Mgarat Applause
Will be very very great, if you find a time in the future..and try to make one tutorial for making copies cheers I realy hope , that you will do that for us :)

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Thu May 28, 2015 11:24 am

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Fri May 29, 2015 11:19 pm

Thank you Anasta, Roger, Kosta, Zelvik and Karin Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy for your nice words

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Fri May 29, 2015 11:21 pm

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Fri May 29, 2015 11:37 pm

Wow, wow, wow bounce
He looks very beautiful: those perfect details, this pose, paintwork... Wonderful cheers
But don't you think that his eyes are too big? Not really too big, I can see it very well from profile.
Please, don't be offended, but his back looks a bit strange. Look at that (I made this wolf when I participate olympiad of sculpture):
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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Fri May 29, 2015 11:53 pm

No offense at all. I always appreciate your comments.

I will check the eyes size. Perhaps is not the size but emphasized by the painting

Respecting the back I tried to reflect the typical way how the cats twist the spine while lying in this posture. Canidae (dogs, wolves, foxes…) can’t do in the same way.



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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sat May 30, 2015 12:07 am

Maybe about the eyes Very Happy
I know tht canids and felidaes are different in anatomy; but the pose of backbone and ribs is the same. The mainest difference between lion and wolf spine is width. Wolf's one is wider. You just should do this side smoother than it is now. Not as my wolf, I just showed you an example about how it works. I feel like down side of your line has not enough rib volume Suspect

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sat May 30, 2015 12:10 am

Maybe...I will consider your points. Thanks

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sat May 30, 2015 12:21 am

I think your model has nice sculpting overall with good painting but I also feel the eyes can be modified to be more realistic.
I have made a quick modification to show what I mean.  I think the eyes could be smaller and angled slightly at the tear ducts.

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sat May 30, 2015 12:26 am

Quite convincing picture!!!

You both are right... I will work on it.

Thank you very much!!!

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sat May 30, 2015 2:33 pm

Very good. The mane in particular gives it the feel of a real lion.
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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sat May 30, 2015 7:47 pm

Wow what an great lion! But I'm agree with the others the eyes look a little strange. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sat May 30, 2015 8:03 pm

elephas_maximus wrote:
...I think the eyes could be smaller and angled slightly at the tear ducts...

Done!


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PostSubject: Re: 1:20 Southeast African Lion (Panthera Leo krugeri)   Sat May 30, 2015 8:20 pm

WOW ! affraid

OMG ! This it the most beautyful lion model I have ever seen bounce Applause bounce flower bounce cat bounce Applause Very Happy flower

You first models were beautyful, but you have developed so much, - now, this is incredible drunken

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