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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:14 pm

Great adds :)

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:34 pm

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Great adds :)

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:51 pm

You know, I'm always excited to see you've added a new post.
Not because I like fish, Neutral  no no. Evil or Very Mad
Because I like the pictures you take.
You always add these little bonuses like swimming people, or backdrops, or accessories, or strange looking men holding strange looking things.
It always gives your pictures an extra dimension I find very enjoyable to watch.
They are fun!

I know it takes time and effort to make those kind of pictures.
Time and effort you don't have to make, but you do.
So I'm a fish groupie because of you. LOL.
Thank you.

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Sun Sep 11, 2016 10:01 pm

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You know, I'm always excited to see you've added a new post.
Not because I like fish, Neutral  no no. Evil or Very Mad
Because I like the pictures you take.
You always add these little bonuses like swimming people, or backdrops, or accessories, or strange looking men holding strange looking things.
It always gives your pictures an extra dimension I find very enjoyable to watch.
They are fun!

I know it takes time and effort to make those kind of pictures.
Time and effort you don't have to make, but you do.
So I'm a fish groupie because of you. LOL.
Thank you.

Well then I've done my job! And, really, it just gives me an excuse to play with my figures! Otherwise, they'd just sit on shelves or in bins! Wink

I'm glad that they are appreciated!

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Mon Sep 12, 2016 3:05 am

I love transitional animals. Much probably, transitional animals were considered others if taxonomy was organized in a different way but I think it works very well like that. It is always very interesting to learn with yoru posts and watch your pictures. Very Happy I hope you get the Panini and Yowies. Maybe throught help of our USA and Italia friends. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Mon Sep 12, 2016 4:22 am

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I love transitional animals. Much probably, transitional animals were considered others if taxonomy was organized in a different way but I think it works very well like that. It is always very interesting to learn with yoru posts and watch your pictures. Very Happy I hope you get the Panini and Yowies. Maybe throught help of our USA and Italia friends. Very Happy

It is true, our Linnean system--and way of thinking--makes it hard to refer to transitional forms!

I have another post ready for soon...and another that will come up later, since I discovered I messed up some photos!

As for the Panini and Yowie--well, I am aware of a set of Panini, but I have hesitated since it is a whole set, and the CDN $ kind of stinks. I am hopeful that someone (probably in Europe!) wants most of the set, but would be willing to give up one or two of them (at least one--it looks small enough to fit a letter envelope)! I guess I could just sell the rest after I get it... Neutral

And the Yowie was only recently released; I'm sure I'll hunt it down eventually (the US yowies are only just starting to appear on Ebay as it is). Probably easier than the Forgotten Friends grayling!


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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Mon Sep 12, 2016 9:02 am

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You always add these little bonuses like swimming people, or backdrops, or accessories, or strange looking men holding strange looking things.
It always gives your pictures an extra dimension I find very enjoyable to watch.
They are fun!

I know it takes time and effort to make those kind of pictures.
Time and effort you don't have to make, but you do.
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Thank you.
So true !!! cheers

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Sun Sep 18, 2016 1:05 am

So far, I’ve kept this thread to groups of fishes from modern bony fishes that are considered to be ‘primitive’, in either features or paleobiogeographic history. Now I’m including fish figures that I have of  groups of non-bony fishes. Most of them have no living lineage—the placoderms, the acanthodiians, and the vast majority of the agnathans. I am including various people or other-animal models as scale references—it will become clear that many of these animals were very, very small. And a few were very, very large!

One many of the figures are shown with the Bullyland salmon, because I messed up. Just pretend it is a Bullyland trout (Salmo trutta, (which would be about 16cm in real life) which is what I meant to do. Otherwise, the scales are fairly close to the modern fish or people they are shown with.

I will break it into two threads—first, the two jawed groups (gnathostomes) that are both entirely extinct, and work to the more primitive (and long-lived!) agnathans in a follow up post!

ACANTHODII:
”Spiny Sharks”

Probably the smallest group of totally-extinct fishes, these small fishes represent a group of fish that, in some form, led to the chondrichthyans—the sharks, rays and chimaera (plus their extinct relatives). For this reason, the group is sometimes referred to as “stem-sharks”.

Taxonomically, the Acanthodii is a paraphyletic group, since it does not include all of its descendants (the chondrichthyans), but instead acts as a convenient group to describe these fish. Overall, they are distinctive for their scales (similar to those of gars); streamlined bodies, heterocercal tails and stout spines on the leading edge of their fins (hence, the name ‘spiny sharks’). Also notable—many had several extra pairs of spined fins along their bellies.
Found in deposits around the world, the earliest fossils date from the Silurian (with some potential scales from the Ordovician) in marine waters, they diversified into freshwater and swamps in the Devonian and Carboniferous, and the group went extinct at the end of the Permian (~250Ma).
As far as toys go…there aren’t many. Two, to be exact. One has shown up many times; the sets it comes in makes me think Prior may be the original source (although I haven’t seen one) and can be found in several colours—I have seen grey, pink and green (and I had brown ones as a kid). The other, a more curved one cast entirely in solid plastic, is from US Toys and has shown up in bright pink and bright green (I only have the pink one).

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All of these represent a version of Climatius, but lack the belly spines are not paired, just a single row.
Front L-R: 1 version of the grey model; the pink version (I had one other once—the paint was completely different).
Back L-R: Other version of grey model; hot pink USToys model

Aaaaannnddd…that’s it. I am not aware of any others. Maybe a 3d printed one somewhere?

PLACODERMI
Plated Jawed Fish:

Sort of like the Acanthodii, placoderms are also paraphyletic—because it is likely that, as a group, their descendants include the bony fish (which means they include the tetrapods—so instead of thinking of yourself as a lungfish descendant, think of yourself as a Bothriolepis descendant!)
Placoderms were a very diverse if short-lived group of fishes, found around the world from the Silurian (~430Ma) to the Devonian (~360 Ma). In that time they diversified into somewhere between 7 and 10 distinct orders, with a wide range of shapes, habits, habitats, diets and sizes. In fact, one of them is famous for it’s size—Dunkleosteus, the most famous placoderm, may have reached over 30 metres long (it’s an estimate—all that is known is the ridiculous skull) and it was probably the first true giant pelagic predator in the seas. But at the same time, a closely related species (Titanichthys) was a similar size, but was probably a filter feeder—getting to that niche several hundred million years before the first filter feeding whales!

But most are small, and were possibly cumbersome, bottom-hugging animals. Their heavy body plating was likely a good defense, but may have also been a detriment when faced with predators (take note of their short time on earth—they disappeared as sharks and large bony fish began to arrive, either as predators or competitors).

Not all groups are represented as figures (only 3 from what I have). And only a very few taxa are represented as figures.

Antiarchi

A strange group of heavily armoured placoderms, often with jointed, plated fins.

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Three versions of Bothriolepis, from Kaiyodo:
Front L-R: Purple Dinotales Series 1 version; Brown Dinotales Series 1v2 version; CapsuleQ Paleozoic series version on base.

Rhenanida

A even stranger group of placoderms, which had armour made up of a mosaic of small scales or tubercles that may not have been fused. As a group, these placoderms were flattened like rays and patrolled sea bottom habitats.

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The only one I know of--Gemuendina, from Shapeways, unpainted.

Arthrodira

The group that most people think of when they think of placoderms. IF they do, I suppose.

The group as a whole is identified by a joint in their armour between their head and their neck. This allowed them to not only open their jaw, but to tilt back their skull at the same time, giving a larger bite surface. And it was quite a bite—as with all placoderms, they didn’t have teeth. Instead, they used sharpened plates around their mouths as slicing surfaces!

As mentioned, Dunkleosteus is easily the best known of the arthrodires (and placoderms) but overall this is the most diverse order of placoderms, many of which are quite small, and they ranged in seas, in diverse niches, around the world. This diversity began in the earliest Devonian, and the group was extinct by the end of the Devonian (~415Ma – 360Ma).

Rolfosteus
A tiny, long-nosed placoderm!

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To scale with a Brown trout (if I’d used it…) Rolfosteus only got to 15 cm long! This one is from the Yowies Lost Kingdom series.

Variety of smaller arthrodires

There are a very few other models of other arthrodires, generally mid-size species that, while active, were not likely as predatory as Dunkleosteus. These are to scale with a Bullyland Powan, a European whitefish that can get up to 38cm.

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Clockwise from bottom left: Yowies Lost Kingdom Mcnamaraspis; Yowies Lost Kingdom Groenlandaspis; Prehistoric Panorama Coccosteus (it is id’d as a Dunkleosteus, but the skull just doesn’t really look enough like one) ; Prehistoric Panorama Groendlandaspis (although it kind of looks more like Bothriolepis in some ways).

Dunkleosteus

The big one—both in real size, and in figure form. I know that I don’t have every one of these, and I’m okay with that! This is the first placoderm model where it was possible to have them line up against human scale models. Although it is interesting, it’s good that it went extinct.

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Kaiyodo Dinotales Series 7 skull

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Kaiyodo Dinotales Series 2 (it is notable that Japanese models tend to use the lunate tail fin of a large, fast predator, instead of the more typical long, pointed tail fin of the smaller arthrodires).

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The new Schleich model (complete with sturgeon-like scutes that have never been found on an arthrodire, and a jaw that opens, but doesn’t allow the skull to also lift. Missed opportunity Schleich).

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L-R Favorite Soft Model on base; the Wild Safari Dinos & Prehistoric Life model (probably still the best representation overall—including painting the head to look like it was covered in skin that matched the rest of the body, instead of some heavy helmet of bone!)

As I said, there are several other models of Dunkleosteus—Sean Cooper made a model, there is an even bigger Favorite vinyl model, and Kaiyodo made a new skull as part of it’s Paleozoic series. There is also an Animal Kaiser figure, a few Shapeways/3D models, and my son even has a tiny one in a snow globe!

So until next time, when the Agnathans make their appearance!

***BONUS MESSAGE as I'm doing this, I thought I'd mention my 'wants' thread--where I am especially looking for a couple of fish, including the Panini lamprey and the new Yowies pupfish. Just throwing that out there! Even if someone in Europe is thinking of getting the Panini set, but would be willing to give up the lamprey!***

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:28 pm

This is amazing affraid
Apart from two of the Dunkleosteuses I never heard of any of them before !! Very Happy

Thankyou very much for the heaps of information and wonderful pictures flower Applause


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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Sun Sep 18, 2016 4:21 pm

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This is amazing affraid
Apart from two of the Dunkleosteuses I never heard of any of them before !!  Very Happy

Thankyou very much for the heaps of information and wonderful pictures  flower  Applause


You are welcome! It was of course fun to do--and helps me sort out exactly what I have (every time I do this stuff, my databse ges more specific and more complicated!)

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:45 am

Yes, the way is to save money in fish books and read your topics instead. The money, we all know how to use. Laughing
Incredibly interesting, OK, I already forgot the most part of what I've read but I have the chance of reading it again. Laughing Once more, I hope you get the Panini and Yowie. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Mon Sep 19, 2016 2:20 am

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Yes, the way is to save money in fish books and read your topics instead. The money, we all know how to use. Laughing
Incredibly interesting, OK, I already forgot the most part of what I've read but I have the chance of reading it again. Laughing Once more, I hope you get the Panini and Yowie. Very Happy

Me too--especially the Panini, since it would help round out the next post (there aren't a lot of agnatha figures!). That one will wait until some other things show up though!

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:18 pm

Very nice collection of prehistoric fish! Most of these are new to me. I've heard of armored placoderms but this is my first look at them up close. I never new this group also came in a stingray like variety.

I think my favorite is your blue Dunkleosteus. As you say, he should probably not have exposed armor, but I love how sleek and predatory he looks. He and the safari version almost look like two separate species.
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