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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Mon Jul 04, 2016 12:59 am

Obrigado Bryan! I appreciate the warm welcome. Everyone on this forum have been sincerely nice and friendly.

I see you are from Brazil. Very nice! It is a dream of mine to go to the Brazilian Pantanal some day and see my "brothers". I have been fascinated with jaguars since I was about 5 years old. I just fell in love with them, particularly the Pantanal Jaguar.

I have friends from Brazil. I have trained with Renzo, Royce, Rickson and Royler Gracie and also Jean-Jacques Machado. Great guys originally from Rio, but now live in the States. I also know Tony de Almieda's son Sergio. Tony was actually a big hunter of Pantanal Jaguars back in the 70's. Although I am against hunting jaguars I learned a lot from them with regards to this big cats habits, size, etc.... They no longer hunt because it is illegal in Brazil, however, we all now it still goes on.

I have done an African Safari back in 1993, but one day I hope to do a safari in the Pantanal.

Yes, I to hope to be able to get a copy of the "jaguar vs caiman" and the one you are refering to. Both are incredible. That is my goal! It looks like I have my work cut out for me. lol  A couple of people have given me leads to the artist who apparently is in China, but so far I have had no luck. My Tweet has gone unanswered. I will have to try Facebook. I'm always hoping someone on E-Bay will sell one. I have hundreds of purchases off of E-Bay and so I check everyday since last year for that one.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Mon Jul 04, 2016 5:30 am

Another jaguar figure from a Chinese sculptor.  I'm not sure if the pricing is correct because there is also a huge mammoth model for USD $105 but the small jaguar is $1500.  A number of figures are this same high price which makes me think that it might be an error.  Best to contact the seller for clarification if interested.

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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:38 pm

Thanks e/m, much appreciated. I like that model. I went to the site and the price for that one is..$1966.91! Wow! lol A beautiful piece though.

That site as amazing resin models! Look at these:

Great model of a Bengal Tiger battling a Gaur.
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Siberian Tiger. You see it hear compared to the Papo Tiger on the left.
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A leaping Bengal Tiger fashioned after the largest Bengal tiger shot in Uttar Pradesh in 1967 that weighted 857 lbs
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A beautiful Caspian Tiger!
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A prehistoric Elk! Love it!
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An Asian Elephant.
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I would buy all of these if I could, but the prices are steep. They all average $1900.00 CAN and some more.

I see now why that jaguar vs caiman piece was made in China. They make remarkable animal replicas.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:40 pm

Welcome to STS forum, Palustris! Nice to meet you and nice to read about your great love for jaguars Very Happy

I think this is a very interesting topic! Incredible models indeed, all those tigers, the jaguar on the tree and the jaguar fighting caiman, incredible, amazing Applause Applause Applause

I hope you will find really great jaguar models to your collection Very Happy Will you share photos of what you already have? Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Mon Jul 04, 2016 4:34 pm

Cześć Ana,

Thanks for the warm welcome! I'm glad you like my love and enthusiasm for the jaguar.  Very Happy  

Everyone has been so friendly and helpful with many leads and suggestions. I'm able to expand on figures that I didn't know existed until some of you sent me the links. I thank all of you for that.

Yes, I am confident that eventually this forum will lead me to me ultimate goal......the jaguar vs caiman model! How can I miss with such a helpful group of friends?!

I will eventually post some of my collection. I have to first take the photos and post them. I'm very LOW tech, so please bare with me. But, my collection is NOTHING compared to some of yours. Yvette has a MASSIVE collection! Amazing! I'm sure a lot of you have the same. Mine is relatively small because I went after specific animals, most notably the jaguar.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Tue Jul 05, 2016 2:01 am

Onil, I am really enjoying a lot your posts about the mighty Pantanal jaguar! Very Happy
Your passion and tenacity will surely guide you to the wanted fighting piece as long as it is still available.
Our community is composed of people with several kinds of collections around the animal tehmatic. Some have huge collections, like Yvette, Susanne, Fernando, etc. Some others have smaller collections. Nobody is categorized according with the size of the collection so, every collector should feel confortable here even if his collection is composed of a small number of pieces. I am sure your collection is very interesting once it is about several collectibles around the same subject. Coins, stamps, postcards, are other common objects featuring jaguars, for instance. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Tue Jul 05, 2016 2:13 am

Thanks for that kind post Roger.

I hope that I do not go on too much about the characteristics of big cats, especially the jaguar. I know this is not a "big cat" forum and that it is dedicated to animal figures and replicas. I just thought it was significant to point out that one of the important factors in a good figure or replica is trying to capture the essence of that animal. By that I mean special characteristics that makes that particular animal so special and is the reason we are so fond of them. If an artist can capture that then they truly are an ARTIST! However, I also understand that many years ago we did not have the technical knowhow to produce such well detailed replicas/figures, so some of the old animal figures/toys are still very important and valuable, if only by sentimentality. I am many old animal figures that are not very accurate representations of the real animal, but I love them nonetheless because of the sentiment and the reminder of my childhood and how much joy they gave to me.

I will try to stick to talking about replicas and figures and less about "lessons in big cat biology and anatomy". lol

Yes, I didn't mean to insinuate that people such as myself with small collections are less valuable. I am a low tech person, so I just have to take some nice close photos and transfer them to my computer and ultimately this forum. I will do it because i would like to post some of my favourites for all to see.

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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Tue Jul 05, 2016 2:27 am

Onil, I know there wasn't any kind of insinuation in your comment, I only wanted to make you feel confortable on forum. Very Happy However, I think that there is no problem that you give your knowledgeable considerations about big cats, it is a very popular thematic in this forum. These judgements are often very valuable on walk around topics where we discuss the quality of the rendition of a certain model. You can find topics about jaguar in this link. I doesn't matter how old is the topic, it is always open for a good discussion or observation. Feel free to give your imput about the most popular jaguar toys or to check the repainting works of the great Artists of our forum.
Tech questions, you can always contact me or any other moderator and we will help you with whatever you need. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Tue Jul 05, 2016 7:08 pm

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Cześć Ana,

Thanks for the warm welcome! I'm glad you like my love and enthusiasm for the jaguar.  Very Happy  

Everyone has been so friendly and helpful with many leads and suggestions. I'm able to expand on figures that I didn't know existed until some of you sent me the links. I thank all of you for that.

Yes, I am confident that eventually this forum will lead me to me ultimate goal......the jaguar vs caiman model! How can I miss with such a helpful group of friends?!

I will eventually post some of my collection. I have to first take the photos and post them. I'm very LOW tech, so please bare with me. But, my collection is NOTHING compared to some of yours. Yvette has a MASSIVE collection! Amazing! I'm sure a lot of you have the same. Mine is relatively small because I went after specific animals, most notably the jaguar.

Cześć, haha sunny  I'm glad to read you are enjoying our community. Very Happy

Actually, we will be happy to read also more info about jaguars if you like to share. Very Happy The anatomy and biology of jaguars is surely interesting subject to read about, for many of us. And perhaps, for those of us who create models of animals, it can be helpful in case of sculpting model of a jaguar in future.

About collections, every collection is different and it's so nice to see! And it is not important is it big or small. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Tue Jul 05, 2016 10:59 pm

Hi Roger and Anna,

Thanks for that reply Roger. I knew you were being kind when you said that. I thank you for that. I didn't think otherwise. Very Happy

I'll keep the discussions about the anatomy of the animals relative to the replica/figures. I think that would be fun and also adds value to the the artists work. Anna is right, perhaps this will also help people when they are creating new replicas.

I remember even as a small child when my mother bought me a new big cat figure. I was always very excited and happy...but, I remember thinking, "that doesn't look like a jaguar" or "that doesn't look like a tiger". I took only 40 years for very detailed, beautiful replicas by Schleich, Papo, CollectA, Mojo, Safari Ltd, etc.. to make its appearance!! lol Now as an adult I find just as much joy in such fine replicas that I HAVE to buy them and I keep thinking to myself....."Man I would have freaked out if they had these when I was a child!"

I will definitely post my entire collection on this forum. Let me photograph them and I'll post them. I will show both old (from childhood) and new. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:14 pm

I have a question for all of you. The photo I chose for this forum is a photo of "Mick Jaguar". He is the famous one-eyed jaguar that the tourists loved to photograph. As a matter of fact, a woman by the name of Leigh Lofgren. She is a photographer and she took beautiful photos of Mick when she toured the Pantanal. She actually created a photo book which I bought online from her. Since then we have become good friends and discuss often. Anyway, he is an amazing speciman of a Pantanal Jaguar so I used the photo on this forum. It's a great close up of Mick! And my name "Palustris"come from panthera onca palustris the scientific name for the Pantanal Jaguar......as you probably all already guessed.

I see some interesting photos on this forum. Some are real animals and some are animal figures. Are these favourite animals and animal figures of you all?? For instance, Anna is that your favourite animal figure - Palomino Horse?

I'm just curious as to everyone's choice of photos.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Wed Jul 06, 2016 1:55 am

@Palustris wrote:
I have a question for all of you. The photo I chose for this forum is a photo of "Mick Jaguar". He is the famous one-eyed jaguar that the tourists loved to photograph. As a matter of fact, a woman by the name of Leigh Lofgren. She is a photographer and she took beautiful photos of Mick when she toured the Pantanal. She actually created a photo book which I bought online from her. Since then we have become good friends and discuss often. Anyway, he is an amazing speciman of a Pantanal Jaguar so I used the photo on this forum. It's a great close up of Mick! And my name "Palustris"come from panthera onca palustris the scientific name for the Pantanal Jaguar......as you probably all already guessed.

I see some interesting photos on this forum. Some are real animals and some are animal figures. Are these favourite animals and animal figures of you all?? For instance, Anna is that your favourite animal figure - Palomino Horse?

I'm just curious as to everyone's choice of photos.

There is a topic where each member explains the reason of the avatar choice. Some members already changed their avatar and it may be outdated but that is again an open topic and discussion can be reactivated at any time.
Take a look here! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:18 am

Nice! I never saw that. I guess I should navigate around this forum and acquaint myself more with the various topics. lol

Some nice stories and some funny stories. A couple of comments made me laugh!
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:34 am

We are a 5 years old forum with thousands of topics. I believe you'll find lots of interesting topics on forum. Just drink it as much as you can and please share your taste with us and turn in a part of STS adventure. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:50 am

Hey Roger, I just checked out your fox collection. Very impressive! I think they are beautiful animals too. Why did you choose to collect foxes and what is your connection with them?
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:13 pm

Fabulous models!!! Love those tigers, but the others are awesome as well!
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:56 pm

Hallo Shanti! Ja, das denk ich auch. lol

(Hello Shanti! Yes, that's what I think too.)

Viele Grusse aus Kanada nach Deutschland!

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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Sat Jul 09, 2016 2:52 am

@Palustris wrote:
Hey Roger, I just checked out your fox collection. Very impressive! I think they are beautiful animals too. Why did you choose to collect foxes and what is your connection with them?

Thanks for watching it and for your words. Actually I don't have a special connection with foxes, I love them very much but just as much as many other creatures in this Planet. It was just what I think to be a sensate collecting decision. I am a big cats man, lions, tigers, jaguars, cheetahs, were the animal figures that brought me to this hobby. My favorite animals, however, are formicivores like giant anteaters, pangolins, etc. Being a curious about toy animal companies I decided to collect a reasonably common animal that could allow me to experience in my hands figures from different materials, sizes, designs, companies, etc. Lion toys are incredibly common and often not pleasant looking, too many to collect. Foxes are less common but enough to have a representative across the majority of the companies. They're not very large figures and foxes look always great even when terribly replicated. Laughing I am seriously considering to collect also formicivores, I never could guess they were so many when I started with foxes. Honestly I already have a good number of them but I wish to expand it, actually. As you see, my collection is not as sentimentally linked to the real animal as yours but it is a huge tribute that STS community is paying to me once most are gifts from several members around the world. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Sat Jul 09, 2016 5:07 am

That's very interesting Roger. Looks like you put a lot of thought into your hobby...or should I say passion.

I'm very much like yourself. I truly love all wildlife, but I have to admit I do have my favourites. As you already know, Jaguars are my passion, but tigers (actually all the big cats), wolverines, anacondas, polar bears, orcas are a very close second. I actually have a wide range of animal replicas/figures. My favourite are Papo, CollectA and Safari Ltd. at the moment. I love the detail, especially the faces and eyes. I really like the bovines such as the Gaur, Water buffalo, Bison, African Buffalo, Yak, Auroch and Wissent. I also love the Apes and so I just started to collect them. My first is a Bili Ape, but I have a Gorilla and Orang picked out. I have all the wolverines on the market....I think... and hope that they come up with more. Many tigers and big cats because they too are my favourites since I was a small child. I'm really into the angulates too, like the Water Buck, Nilgai, Oryx, Sable antelope, Red deer, etc...I would like to start to collect them also.

So, as you can see, my list goes much further than jaguars, but...they are my number one. So far my favourite is the new Schleich jaguar, but I'm still waiting for one of the companies out there to make the ultimate jaguar. That is why I actually got onto this forum. I saw that jaguar vs caiman replica and just had to have one. I'm having trouble tracking the designer down in China, but I'm going to keep trying. I'm also hoping some day someone on E-Bay might post one for sale. I make a lot of purchases off of E-Bay.

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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Sun Jul 17, 2016 1:14 am

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That's very interesting Roger. Looks like you put a lot of thought into your hobby...or should I say passion.

I'm very much like yourself. I truly love all wildlife, but I have to admit I do have my favourites. As you already know, Jaguars are my passion, but tigers (actually all the big cats), wolverines, anacondas, polar bears, orcas are a very close second. I actually have a wide range of animal replicas/figures. My favourite are Papo, CollectA and Safari Ltd. at the moment. I love the detail, especially the faces and eyes. I really like the bovines such as the Gaur, Water buffalo, Bison, African Buffalo, Yak, Auroch and Wissent. I also love the Apes and so I just started to collect them. My first is a Bili Ape, but I have a Gorilla and Orang picked out. I have all the wolverines on the market....I think... and hope that they come up with more. Many tigers and big cats because they too are my favourites since I was a small child. I'm really into the angulates too, like the Water Buck, Nilgai, Oryx, Sable antelope, Red deer, etc...I would like to start to collect them also.

So, as you can see, my list goes much further than jaguars, but...they are my number one. So far my favourite is the new Schleich jaguar, but I'm still waiting for one of the companies out there to make the ultimate jaguar. That is why I actually got onto this forum. I saw that jaguar vs caiman replica and just had to have one. I'm having trouble tracking the designer down in China, but I'm going to keep trying. I'm also hoping some day someone on E-Bay might post one for sale. I make a lot of purchases off of E-Bay.


Vey interesting, you have a huge world of figures to explore and it is good that your interests are expanding. Very Happy
It is curious that your favorite jaguar is the newer Schleich, I use it in my collection, although everyone is praising the new Safari that seems to be a really good figure too! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:42 pm

The new Safari Ltd. jaguar is nice. I have both the black and common jaguar in that make. But, the problem with the Safari jaguar is that it is too "narrow" for a jaguar. It's body is too narrow and thin to be a jaguar. As I described before, the jaguar is a stocky, powerful cat with a barrel-like body, thick short limbs with large paws and a wide, big head. As much as I see some small flaws with the new Schleich jaguar, this jaguar captures more of those features. Put them side by side and you''ll see the difference.

I still think the Safari jaguar is nice, but it just lacks too many of the jaguars physical features that makes me love this great cat.

I know I posted this photo before, but this re-paint of the new scheich jaguar is fantastic! I would LOVE these two. Perfect jaguars!

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So, until a better jaguar comes on the market, my favourite is the new Scheich jaguar. I was hoping CollectA would step up with a real nice one, but I'm still waiting...... Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:03 am

Very interesting comment! There is also the Papo jaguar that we think looks more like a leopard. The figure is wonderful as all Papo big cats but I believe you also agree it is not morphologically correct for a jaguar. Very Happy
CollectA will soon or later itnroduce a jaguar in their range. The company is very strong releasing unusual species often with a high level of quality although they're not yet excellent with feline figures.

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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:18 am

Funny you should say that Roger. I thought the exact same thing. At present, CollectA is my favourite make for replica animals. The Angulates and Bovines are fantastic! The detail of the eyes and face are extraordinary. However, like you just said, the felines are not very good...in my opinion. I much prefer Schleich in the felines.

Yes, I agree, the Papo jaguar has more leopard-like features. It is too lithe, the head too small and the tail too long. All traits of a leopard and not of the jaguar.

But, I'm optimistic and like you I think CollectA will produce nice felines in the near future. If they start producing felines in the same quality as their Angulates and Bovines.......WOW!! I'll be standing in line at the stores. Laughing


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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:20 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:10 am

Thanks for sharing so much about jaguars and jaguar models with us. Also, thanks for posting those pictures of really exceptional big cat sculptures. Glad to have you with us!
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:49 am

Hi bjarki12, much appreciated! Glad to be here. You're all a great bunch of people.

I see you're from Texas. I've always wanted to go to Texas, the Lone Star State! Love the flag. One day.....one day.....

I like your Avatar. What kind of brown bear figure is that?  I love bears too, especially Alaskan Brown bears and Polar bears.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:19 pm

Hi Palustris - glad you like it here!  It's a great forum.

Yes, your post actually got me interested in looking up the history of jaguars here in Texas.  They were hunted out, sadly, but it's always intriguing to learn that your home used to be wilder than you realized. I didn't find much new information this time, but they're still seen every once in a while in Arizona.  While reading Audubon's mammals a few years ago, I read that Sam Houston, our first president and governor, encountered a jaguar not far from where I grew up. I guess their diet would have been pretty different than it is in South America - maybe white-tailed deer, maybe mule deer further west, and no shortage of smaller animals. In Houston's account, they killed one of his horses, and we certainly had no shortage of feral horses and cattle here back then. I can't imagine them hunting full-grown bison, but I guess the younger ones wouldn't have been out of the question. It's hard to imagine how different the ecosystem must have been just 150 years go.

You might find this interesting: A few years back, I talked with a zoo director who used to be involved with a government project relocating cougars from Texas to Florida to boost the population of the Florida Panther (which I had previously thought was a distinct sub-species, but I guess they decided that reducing inbreeding was better than preserving genetic uniqueness?  I don't know), and he told me that once down near the Texas/Mexico border, he saw a big cat that, in the dark, he thought looked a lot stockier than a cougar, and when he shined a flashlight on it, he thought its eyes looked jaguar like.  He said he was probably just hopeful and that it wasn't really a jaguar, but I enjoyed hearing the story anyway.

The brown bear is one of my own sculptures.  I did model it on pictures of Kodiak bears, but since I was not very confident of my sculpting abilities at the time, I decided that thinking of it as a generic brown bear was probably safer.  Here's a link: http://sts-forum.forumieren.de/t8819-brown-bear?highlight=brown+bear Glad you like it!
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:44 pm

Yes, at one time jaguars were very numerous in Texas and Arizona. Unfortunately they were hunted to what they thought was extinction. This may be correct and perhaps the jaguar spotted and photographed by Warner Glenn in March of 1996 was a Mexican jaguar that wandered up north. But, this is always just speculation and indeed this could have been a very rare Arizona jaguar. Either way, they are very slowly growing in numbers again in the borderland states.

Here are three excellent books I have on jaguars from Texas and Arizona if you are interested on doing some further reading. The first book is actually titled, "Borderlands Jaguars" (This is the best book of the three and is a proper study/analysis of the jaguar in these areas), then "Ambushed on the Jaguar Trail" and then "Eyes of Fire: Encounter with a borderlands jaguar" - this book was actually written by Warner Glenn after his sighting back in 1996. The last two are less scientific than the first one.

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You are right, they preyed on deer and peccary mostly, but also took armadillos, prairie dogs, coyotes, bighorn sheep, jackrabbits, roadrunners and even bobcats and mountain lions. i know there are a few reported cases of jaguars killing and eating pumas in Brazil and Venezuela.

That's a great story about that zoo director. That would have been an awesome encounter!

I love your sculpture! How do you guys make these sculptures?? I have to find out how, so I can start making them myself one day. This way you can make the animal to your own specifications. By the way, I have that same tiger figure you have in that last photo sitting beside your unpainted bear sculpture.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:10 am

Thanks for the reading recommendations! I'll see if I can track down Borderlands Jaguars. Interesting to hear about the jaguar's diet in this area, too. I've wondered who kept the javelina (peccary) population in check (now it seems mostly humans do). Do you know if they ranged far enough east to prey on alligators? I thought I once read that the population ranged into Louisiana, but I can't remember where I read it.

As for preying on cougars, it doesn't seem too surprising given the jaguar's greater size and the fact that other large cats in other parts of the world prey on smaller cats. But as an interesting contrast, Andrew Lang, in the Red Book of Animal Stories, recounts several pieces of South American folklore in which pumas attack and kill jaguars. Again, I think it's mostly folklore, so it's worth taking with a grain of salt, but it's interesting. I enjoy reading up on the folklore and historical sides of natural history.

Glad you like the bear! As for learning how to sculpt, there are some incredible sculptors on this forum, and their posts contain a huge amount of information and advice on how to sculpt better. That's mostly how I've learned.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:14 pm

You're right again. Jaguars existed in many of the southern states, including Louisiana, Arkansas and even Florida at one time. During those times they most definitely would have preyed on alligators. The Jaguar's massive head and powerful jaws were a direct result of evolution through a "neotropical reptile" diet. They preyed and still prey on lizards, turtles, alligators, caiman, crocodiles and snakes. Hard shells and tough hides have forced the jaguars to develop thick, cone-like canines/teeth and "more powerful jaws due to the development of a wider zygomatic arch and thicker sagital crest/head and neck muscles. So what you end up with is a huge head with an explosive biting power that can pulverize bones/hard shells with an anatomy that can support and back it up.

I never heard of Andrew Lang before, but I have Richard Perry's book "World of the Jaguar" where he sites similar stories from explorers like Percy Fawcett says that same thing about pumas attacking jaguars. However, the author says that Fawcett had little to no knowledge about jaguars or wildlife in general. I''ll never say never, but I would find this hard to believe, especially in Brazil where jaguars would be almost 3 times larger than pumas! In the southern US they are almost of equal size because jaguars are smaller, but the jaguar is still a more robust and powerfully build cat. That being said, the puma is no slouch himself! They are very powerful and extremely agile.

I'll have to visit the sculptor forum and learn how to do this myself. I've never done anything like that before, so it should be a challenge.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:52 am

Love the repaint Schleich jags! Absolutely LOVE the Chinese sculptors tigers, lions, bull elephant and Indian rhino! Those are incredible pieces!
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Tue Sep 06, 2016 10:26 pm

I'm with you "Baltimore Zoo". I would LOVE to have all of them, but that would literally cost me thousands of dollars! Each one is around $2.000. But, they certainly are MAGNIFICENT!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Wed Sep 07, 2016 12:58 am

Palustris -
I just finished reading Borderlands Jaguars. Thanks for the recommendation! I really enjoyed it. It looks like the Texas population was hunted out a bit too long ago to get a whole lot of really reliable information (more's the pity), but I'm really glad to have read such a good introduction to the topic of Jaguars in the Southwestern US. I see that David Brown has written several other books on wildlife in the Southwest, and am looking forward to finding a copy of his book on grizzlies.

The models you've supplied those links to are phenomenal, by the way. Thanks for sharing!
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Wed Sep 07, 2016 6:36 am

I'm so glad Bjarki12 posted something today here, it helped me to discover a great topic full of knowledge and engouement. I'm happy to meet you here Palustris, welcome sunny

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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Fri Sep 09, 2016 11:43 pm

Sorry Bjarki12, it got really busy here over the last couple of weeks. I'm glad you enjoyed the book. I thought you would. Hopefully they allow the jaguars to make a comeback into the Southern US, but I fear it just may be jaguars from Mexico and not the original Texas jaguars. But....I guess that is better than NO jaguars, right?

Bonjour Christophe!! Thank you for the kind greeting! I'm glad you're enjoying the posts.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:52 am

Great News!!! LCY contacted me today and said he had a model available of the "Jaguar vs Caiman"! I can't believe it. I sent him a message in December of 2015 and he just messaged me. He said he was gone, but is back and will be back on this forum to post his models.

He has the resin model, but still has to paint it. He will send me photos when it is done and we can then discuss buying and shipping! Applause

I AM PUMPED!!! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:01 am

@bjarki12 wrote:

You might find this interesting: A few years back, I talked with a zoo director who used to be involved with a government project relocating cougars from Texas to Florida to boost the population of the Florida Panther (which I had previously thought was a distinct sub-species, but I guess they decided that reducing inbreeding was better than preserving genetic uniqueness?  I don't know)

I'm a native Floridian, and have heard of the plight of the Florida panther all my life. Habitat destruction and fragmentation has been their demise. (they never say, but I'm sure bounty hunting back in the day also took its toll)

Back before the overpopulation and clearcutting of the eastern US, the cougar/panther/puma/mountain lion population encompassed most of the Gulf Coast and eastern part of the continent. Pumas require many square miles of territory per cat, and young animals disperse when they leave mama- the males especially would often travel hundreds of miles to find territories of their own. So while there were fairly distinct populations- in the case of the Florida cats given a subspecies of their own- they intergraded, blending from one to another. It would not be impossible for an Arkansas cat to have ended up in Florida, and for one of his kits to end up in North Carolina, and one of HIS in Maine. (a Florida cat was recently killed in the Carolinas)

20 or so years ago, the population of Florida cats was tightly restricted to the deep Everglades- not much land for a puma population! They had been being pushed there for decades, and inbreeding had taken its toll. It had reached the point that almost all the remaining males were sterile, and the total population was down to about 2 dozen. The Texas cats are the most closely related remaining population to the Florida cats, so a couple were captured and released here.
The infusion of new blood has done wonders; the population is now 125 or so cats, and with greater efforts at collaring and tracking, they're seeing just how far some of the cats are traveling. There have been several in my area, about 250 miles from the Glades, and others in North Florida a few hundred miles further and even into surrounding states. The so called hybrid cats are fully fertile and healthy.

Now if the government starts trying to protect remaining natural lands and providing nature corridors for wildlife, instead of pushing for all land to be drained and built over... (the current governor of Florida is pushing for state/government protected lands to be turned over to developers and turned into resorts, cattle pasturage, mining or logging tracts)
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:56 am

Thankyou for this interesting info, Pip !

@pipsxlch wrote:


Now if the government starts trying to protect remaining natural lands and providing nature corridors for wildlife, instead of pushing for all land to be drained and built over... (the current governor of Florida is pushing for state/government protected lands to be turned over to developers and turned into resorts, cattle pasturage, mining or logging tracts)

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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:23 am

@pipsxlch wrote:
Now if the government starts trying to protect remaining natural lands and providing nature corridors for wildlife, instead of pushing for all land to be drained and built over... (the current governor of Florida is pushing for state/government protected lands to be turned over to developers and turned into resorts, cattle pasturage, mining or logging tracts)


I have lived in Florida for over 30 years, and worked with the panthers, though I have only limited hands on with FL panthers, I do have lots of experience with them in general as well as other exotic animals.  

This statement is an exaggeration or a misstatement and simply not true, the Governor Rick Scott has spent record amounts on the restoration of freshwater springs, has spent about the same percentage wise (considering the downturn in the economy, so the dollar amount is the less but the percentage is the same as a percentage of budget) as both Bush and Crist, the previous governors.  

While it is true that that the state has passed a law to sell of between $40 million and $70 million worth of land, it is misreported that it was protected lands, at no time have any protected lands ever been considered and the money raised is going to be used by the Department of Environmental Protection, Florida's version of the EPA, it is going to help restore habitat. The same goes for logging and mining resources, at no time is protected lands or habitats a consideration, only public lands that are not restricted use lands.

Don't get me wrong, I believe that more could be done, as an environmentalist by trade I have a different view, these things are sometimes (as in almost always) reported from a political view, and as the newspapers are very liberal, they slant the story to make others out to be the bad guys, when in reality, both political parties are responsible.  The problem comes down to money and the population, when the economy is slow, money is tight, the people come first and the environment second.  Along with this as more and more people come, what are we to do, turn them away?  Tell them that because of habitat fragmentation we will no longer build homes and all of the businesses that provide jobs and go along with all of this?  In reality the only way to stop most of this would be to reduce the population, which is not really an option, other solutions must be provided, and blaming an administration, without finding out all of the facts, is not helping it only deflects the issue.
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PostSubject: Re: Jaguar figurines   Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:02 am

@Philter4 wrote:

..... Along with this as more and more people come, what are we to do, turn them away?  Tell them that because of habitat fragmentation we will no longer build homes and all of the businesses that provide jobs and go along with all of this?  .....

Yes !!! At some time you will have to do it anyway, so why not now, when there is still something to save ? Rolling Eyes

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