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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:50 pm

Interesting topic! I think that each company has it's own strengths and weaknesses like most people here.

Dogs: This definitely goes to Papo for their unusual breed selection and level of detail. Schleich's dogs used to be just as good, but unfortunately the new ones can't compete. Even if I didn't mind the smaller scale, they still lack musculature and realism.

Big Cats: This goes to Papo as well. For some reason, this company seems to excel in some areas much more than others and their big cats are pretty much the best on the market, especially their tigers.

Domestic Cats: Schleich still has some of the best domestic kitties, and if you've seen their recent grey and black ones, they seem to be getting much better at them each year. Let's hope they keep the scale the same and don't make small ones.

Horses: Schleich has traditionally had some of the best horses on the market. That being said, I've noticed the quality has recently started to slip, but I still think they're better than Papo horses in general.

Dinosaurs: Tie. Papo dinosaurs are amazingly detailed while Schleich dinosaurs have very unique colors and style. Neither one are my thing (I personally prefer Battat/Terra and CollectA) but I can understand why both lines are quite popular amongst collectors.
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Wed Aug 31, 2016 2:38 pm

I am giving my two cents as well.

I am primarily a collector of Schleich, because it is the only brand commonly available in The Netherlands.
I also find the Schleich horses [of which I evidently have the most] more appealing than Papo's. While Papo's horses are very nice, Schleich has always been more natural to me. Papo is to me, even compared to the new schleich horses, more toyish.
Papo, how ever, is very good with dinosaurs and dogs and I am starting to gather some more papo dogs lately.

Schleich still has my top spot, even though I find CollectA and Safari more and more aesthetically appealing in their wild life and CollectA and Breyer with their horses. I have my breyer and CollectA for these reasons.
My Schleich collection, how ever is not just there to be pretty. I make stories and build a whole world around then in which I like to lose myself when times get hard at home.

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PostSubject: PAPO VS. SCHLEICH   Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:17 pm

In my opinion, the PAPO figures have a more modern, more realistic and more dynamic finish, the sensation of movement and expressiveness is much greater - practically identical to that of animals in their wild state. PAPO knows how to accurately reflect the essence of each animal, not only in terms of its physical characteristics, but also with respect to its psychology and personality. As a weak point against it, it should be noted that PAPO does not enjoy sales and distribution channels that make it a well-known and popular brand. In addition they are very expensive figures, scarce and difficult to obtain. It is clear that in PAPO the quality over quantity is high, so it is a product designed for adult collecting. Pure luxury and French refinement for select minorities.

As for the SCHLEICH figures, they still have not abandoned that naive and hieratic aspect that characterized their models of the mid-90s. These are generally well-made figures, although more immature, aimed at a children's audience. Due to its high number and variety, SCHLEICH occasionally offers us figures of extraordinary beauty and drama - the male African elephant and the zebra family of the 2014 catalog are memorable! -. It is also worth mentioning its extensive repertoire of horses, which are very beautiful - the ponies are tender and charming! -. But SCHLEICH lacks in many other things - the American Bald eagle of the catalog 2017 and the 2014 look like different animals, the new dogs do not reach the level of the old models, the quality of the big cats is very variable and combines good figures with others more discreet, the marine animals of the new catalog are well made, but lack the touch of strength and Portuguese genius that MAIA & BORGES gave to aquatic animals in the editions prior to 2013. SCHLEICH is a great brand in continuous process of evolution and experimentation, with a huge range of models and variants. Another positive aspect is the wide spread in the market and the ease of acquisition of its main animal models. Although we can see that in its latest catalogs of 2016/2017 have ostensibly cut the range of figures available, which leads to think that SCHLEICH is betting on a market strategy much more aggressive and focused on those models with more sales. As a negative point, the exorbitant price of accessories - buildings, infrastructures, vehicles -, which are also quite rare and difficult to get. Nor are animal figures at an affordable price, and here the value for money is not the best on the market. In my opinion, SCHLEICH continues to play a leading role in making figures, but at the expense of degrading the quality of its products - more plastic and less wood, smaller figures, many repainting of previous models - and reducing the number of models... a clear indicator that this company is losing ground against its more direct competitors.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:43 pm

Zurita, welcome on forum and thanks for your post. Your comment is very interesting and shows that you have an amazing level of knowledge about these brands and about the market. Loved to read it. cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:45 pm

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Zurita, welcome on forum and thanks for your post. Your comment is very interesting and shows that you have an amazing level of knowledge about these brands and about the market. Loved to read it. cheers

Just what I thought also Very Happy

You are so right : The two strengths of Schleich are distribution and appeal to children. Rolling Eyes

About the horses,
- when I put a random Schleich horse and a random Papo horse beside each other, the Schleich one will most likely be the shining star,
- but I can also pick quite a few Papo horse that beat Schleich,
- and if I take a flock from each brand, Schleich are so much like each other these days, that I can no longer tell them apart, while the Papo horses each have their own personality Very Happy


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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:12 pm

I think Schleich and Papo are on a similar level.In fact, the problem is that the schleich is practically everywhere And papo is behind them because they do not drown their products even in their country to promote it;Schleich every year around January 20 systematically gives us new and i live in france and sporadically see new models it some joke I recently bought a hippopotamus female which came out in 2014 and in any store and there were quite a lot of them before A similar situation with a tiger stjacym, a beautiful figurine bought online and I was in all skeps and until now I did not see it.So I think papo is wonderful in some figurines but hardly available.Schleich is a great brand that gives us beautiful animals and accessories and is reliable.
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:00 pm

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My other real problem(besides keeping them all on one scale) is that there IS SO MUCH COPYCATTING!
It's fine for each company to make the same animal, but make it in a TOTALLY different position! They're so transparent in their approach!

You can say that again! That is the main reason why I don't like Schleich and Papo that much: THEY TEND TOO MUCH TO COPY OTHER MANUFACTURERS. When do you see Schleich or Papo release a figure of a totally unknown species? HARDLY EVER. Consider the following:

- In 2008, Safari ltd released a Carnotaurus. A few years later, Schleich and Papo each released a Carnotaurus.
- In 2007 or so, Bullyland re-releassed its prehistoric animals for the joy of collectors, including their Archéoptéryx and Whooly Rhino. A few years later, Papo released an Archéoptéryx and a Whooly Rhino.
- In 2006 or so, Safari ltd released a Kentrosaurus. Last year, Schleich released a Kentrosaurus.
- A few years back, Safari ltd released a Tapejara. Guess what Papo released later: a Tapejara!

See what I mean? Schleich and Papo lets Safari ltd and Bullyland do the hard work of trying to sell new animals on the market. And when those animals meet success, Papo and Schleich copy them! Bleah...

And why not ..?!?

I think it`s nothing wrong with that... It is normal and it is also the right way for a company, finding way to be a successfull.
To make and sell this what people like.
Otherwise, with your logic, we have to expect from Papo to make what... aliens ?!? Very Happy  (of course I`m just kidding in a friendly way Wink )

Papo is a younger company then Safari or Bullyland .
In the world, this is called : competition.
When the first smartphone was made from one company, after that many other companies also start to make smartphones.
Do we blame them ..? No :)

I think, like Roger said about one company releasing an Elasmotherium as an example, that each company should make ITS OWN SPECIES. Just like: "Safari ltd released a Carnotaurus? Well! We, Schleich, will release an Argentinosaurus to go with it!" or "Bullyland released a Paratypothorax? Well, we, Papo, will release a Stagonolepis!" Instead, we buyers end up choosing between a Carnotaurus, a Carnotaurus and a Carnotaurus. What kind of choice is that!!??
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:12 am

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My other real problem(besides keeping them all on one scale) is that there IS SO MUCH COPYCATTING!
It's fine for each company to make the same animal, but make it in a TOTALLY different position! They're so transparent in their approach!

You can say that again! That is the main reason why I don't like Schleich and Papo that much: THEY TEND TOO MUCH TO COPY OTHER MANUFACTURERS. When do you see Schleich or Papo release a figure of a totally unknown species? HARDLY EVER. Consider the following:

- In 2008, Safari ltd released a Carnotaurus. A few years later, Schleich and Papo each released a Carnotaurus.
- In 2007 or so, Bullyland re-releassed its prehistoric animals for the joy of collectors, including their Archéoptéryx and Whooly Rhino. A few years later, Papo released an Archéoptéryx and a Whooly Rhino.
- In 2006 or so, Safari ltd released a Kentrosaurus. Last year, Schleich released a Kentrosaurus.
- A few years back, Safari ltd released a Tapejara. Guess what Papo released later: a Tapejara!

See what I mean? Schleich and Papo lets Safari ltd and Bullyland do the hard work of trying to sell new animals on the market. And when those animals meet success, Papo and Schleich copy them! Bleah...

And why not ..?!?

I think it`s nothing wrong with that... It is normal and it is also the right way for a company, finding way to be a successfull.
To make and sell this what people like.
Otherwise, with your logic, we have to expect from Papo to make what... aliens ?!? Very Happy  (of course I`m just kidding in a friendly way Wink )

Papo is a younger company then Safari or Bullyland .
In the world, this is called : competition.
When the first smartphone was made from one company, after that many other companies also start to make smartphones.
Do we blame them ..? No :)

I think, like Roger said about one company releasing an Elasmotherium as an example, that each company should make ITS OWN SPECIES. Just like: "Safari ltd released a Carnotaurus? Well! We, Schleich, will release an Argentinosaurus to go with it!" or "Bullyland released a Paratypothorax? Well, we, Papo, will release a Stagonolepis!" Instead, we buyers end up choosing between a Carnotaurus, a Carnotaurus and a Carnotaurus. What kind of choice is that!!??

I respect your taste and your point of view but ..
Valerie, I think that you forget one very important thing...
And the thing is that You, Me and the other collectors, We are not the MAIN BUYERS from the major brands.
The children are !!! (or of course their parents..)
These companies doesn`t work for your wishes and your taste. They work for much much bigger contingent - Children!
The children wants famous dinosaur ...and Carnotaurus is exactly this ! Remember the Disney movie - Dinosaur (2000) ?
So of course , major brands what to make models, which will be ``bestsellers``
And we are talking about companies from different places in the world...
so why not these companies give to the children from these different places what they want ?
Yes, We - collectors order our models from all over the world, but children don`t .
And We- collectors want different models
of different animals from the major brands...
But dear Valerie, don`t forget who makes the money for the companies ..We ? ...or the Children Wink

And last thing.
Ok, "Safari ltd released a Carnotaurus" ... ok, but maybe I don`t like this model so much...
but I like this dinosaur and I want to have a better model of it ... so - Thank you Papo, that you made a better one for me  cheers  .. just an example ...
Or I like this dinosaur so much, that I want not only one model of it ..I want more ..
So, Thank you Safari, Papo, Battat, Schleich ..and...
...this example works too.
What I mean is this - different collectors- different tastes ...And your taste is not the taste of all collectors. :)

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:41 am

In my opinion, Schleich is for children. Papo is for serious toy animal collectors.

In average, all Papo animals look better than Schleich's. But in specific products, I admit Schleich is better than Papo, such as Schleich Gorilla 2017, Schleich Wild Boar, Schleich Zebra, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:21 am

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......But in specific products, I admit Schleich is better than Papo, such as Schleich Gorilla 2017, Schleich Wild Boar, Schleich Zebra, etc.

Laughing Laughing Yes ! Papo does certainly not have a good way with zebras at all lol!

But I like the Papo wild boars better then the new one from Schleich Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:21 pm

Schleich is great. But Papo in some models amazing.here is my papo list amazing Standing tiger,lying tiger,tiger, tiger cub ,lion roaring,lioness,hippopotamus female,snow panther,polar bear standing,puma ,kangaroo,tailed deer
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:42 pm

I have just bought an indian rhino with a small one They are great We will wait for the answer now Schleich ;Papo models are more accurate and gorgeous
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