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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:11 am

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Sun Dec 04, 2011 5:25 am

Papo makes som wonderful models, I couldn`t agree more  Very Happy
And the kudu and Gnus are among the best ones !

The new kudu from Schleich is better, but alas, look at the paintwork  Crying or Very sad


About the gnus, - what I love about Papo is that their models have personality, - they are not just standing there  Rolling Eyes
But the new Schleich gnu and calf is not bad, IMHO  scratch
Ohhhhh, what a beautyful white tailed gnu in the background  cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:04 am

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Ohhhhh, what a beautyful white tailed gnu in the background cheers

Thank you Susanne Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:38 am

I think the Lineol white tailed gnu is the best Gnu drunken

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:42 am

I also vote for Lineol cheers cheers cheers
Congrats Kiki! I like Your herd of gnus and the way You arrange them Wink tongue Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:48 am

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Ohhhhh, what a beautyful white tailed gnu in the background cheers

Thank you Susanne Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:01 am

So is PAPO the best scratch ?

I don't worship SCHLEICH as you maybe know Laughing but I'm very happy to have PAPO and SCHLEICH Very Happy Wink

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Ohhhhh, what a beautyful white tailed gnu in the background cheers

Thank you Susanne Wink

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Yes Susanne, this pic is indeed one of my collection I made maybe two years ago Laughing

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I think the Lineol white tailed gnu is the best Gnu drunken

I know a friend in UK who made two fantastic white-tailed gnus Wink Cool

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I also vote for Lineol cheers cheers cheers
Congrats Kiki! I like Your herd of gnus and the way You arrange them Wink tongue Very Happy

Thanks Ana Very Happy My herd is bigger now and will grow in 2012 I guess... So we probably see newer pics Laughing

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PostSubject: please look at my schleich kudu, it's without strips! :(   Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:12 am

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:46 am

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Yes Susanne, this pic is indeed one of my collection I made maybe two years ago Laughing


Ahhh, so there are not THAT many of them Laughing

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I know a friend in UK who made two fantastic white-tailed gnus Wink Cool


And I also know somebody in Spain who made a winderful white-tailed gnu Wink cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:55 pm

the new schleich kudu,with the right paintwork, is better than the papo kudu...in my opinion....well at least the schleich kudu is a more acurate depiction of a real kudu.
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:04 pm

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the new schleich kudu,with the right paintwork, is better than the papo kudu...in my opinion....well at least the schleich kudu is a more acurate depiction of a real kudu.

You are right, horns shape, body proportion are more accurate on the new SCHLEICH. But again the PAPO have much more personnality ! Put them together in a batch of figuine and you will see the PAPO first... And it's not a matter of size Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:48 am

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the new schleich kudu,with the right paintwork, is better than the papo kudu...in my opinion....well at least the schleich kudu is a more acurate depiction of a real kudu.

You are right, horns shape, body proportion are more accurate on the new SCHLEICH. But again the PAPO have much more personnality ! Put them together in a batch of figuine and you will see the PAPO first... And it's not a matter of size Laughing

But I find Schleich Kudu 2011 is more appearing to me than Papo.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:43 am

I love both Kudus,Papo's and Schleich's! Very Happy In my opinion,both have their special charm,although I like the Schleich one a TINY,LITTLE BIT more... tongue

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:08 am

I gave my opinion about the 2 kudus before, the Schleich is a defensive figure but very accurate, more than the Papo! Altough, when the Papo arrived it was a big party in my jungle and everybody got neutral when the Schleich arrived! :) Schleich wins in sculpting and painting, Papo wins in pose, expression and motion! Laughing I have both! Wink
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PostSubject: schleich vs papo   Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:41 am

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:21 am

Laughing Laughing

Papo only started their animal ranges in 2004.
The first years Schleich war far better, but now.... Rolling Eyes

Let`s look at some examples from their present ranges :

- Dinoes : Papo
- Dogs : Papo
- Horses : Papo
- Cattle : Schleich
- Cats : Schleich
- Birds : Schleic
- Wild cats : Papo
- Northern wild animals Papo
- Elefants, rhino, hippo : Papo
- Sea animals, Schleich doesn`t have them any more..

To me it looks like Schleich is going for the elves, and the animals are very much for children.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:11 am

OK, here goes my contribution, only wild life and species available in 2012.
Tomorrow I can change my choices! Laughing
zebras, Schleich
leopard, Papo
Cheetahs, Papo
Asian elephants, none
lions, Papo
Ostrich, none
Gnu, Papo
Kudu, both
Chimps, none
Meerkats, Papo
Giraffes, all
Pelican, both
Gorilla, Papo
Cape buffalo, Papo
Black rhino, Papo
Giant tortoise, Papo
Hippopotamus, Papo
Crocodile, Papo
Yak, both
Malaian tapir, both
Giant panda, Schleich
Kangaroos, Schleich
Baktrian camel, Papo
African elephants, Papo
Tigers, Papo
Polar bears, Papo
Emperor penguins, neutral
Eurasian lynx, none
Moose, Papo
Red squirrel, Schleich
Red foxes, no comments
Wild rabbit, Schleich
Red deers, none
Jaguar, Schleich
Racoon, scratch
Grey wolf, Papo
Bald eagle, none
American bison, Papo
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:31 am

Ahhh, yes, Roger, you are right !!!!

The Papo zebras are horrible and the Schleich zebras are beautyful Very Happy

About ostriches, I LOVE the dancing Schleich ostrich, even if his head is too large, - and even if his "wife" is black geek Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:32 am

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OK, here goes my contribution, only wild life and species available in 2012.
Tomorrow I can change my choices! Laughing

Red deers, none

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I think I like old red deer by Scheich and also current red deer by Papo What a Face What is wrong with them? Shocked Suspect Wink

It's indeed hard to choose, some animals are better in schleich some in papo Very Happy
Wild cats in general are better in Papo except the Jaguar cat
Elephants , for me not very exciting from any of these brands Suspect Elephant calves by schleich are quite lovely. And adult Asian elephant by Papo elephant Maybe all too small scale, would prefer 1:20
zebras are very easy to choose, obviously better are schleich,
from farm animals I like Papo goats more and schleich sheep more Very Happy Cats I prefer from other brands I think. Rabbits are all excellent CUTE albino Wink
Cape buffalo is indeed nicer in Papo

Well, more or less my opinion is similar to Roger's Suspect alien Very Happy But I really don't lke Papo moose and I do like Schleich ostrich newest version Shocked

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:05 pm

I would say Schleich for farm animals and humans, Papo for wild animals. Neither for dinosaurs!

Both Schleich and Papo have gone downhill in recent years, IMHO... Crying or Very sad
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:20 am

It's difficult choice and supposed it depend on personal choice and taste too!

I Love
Big Cats or wild cat - Papo (except lynx)
dog - Schleich & Papo
Dinos-Papo
Meerat - Schleich & Papo
Sea life - Schleich & Papo
Zebra - Schleich
African elephant - Papo
Asian elephant - none
Cape buffalo - Schleich

Perhaps more to think....

I have to agree "schleich61" mentioned this
  1. Both Schleich and Papo have gone downhill in recent years

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:18 pm

Papo by far. I only have one Schleich - their most recent okapi. Most of what I have seen by them looks really 'derpy'. Keep in mind though, that I'm not familiar with their past (retired/old models) and I do not pay any attention to domestic or livestock breeds when it comes to collecting.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:54 pm

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Papo by far. I only have one Schleich - their most recent okapi. Most of what I have seen by them looks really 'derpy'. Keep in mind though, that I'm not familiar with their past (retired/old models) and I do not pay any attention to domestic or livestock breeds when it comes to collecting.

I understand you, then.
Their domestic animals are best, - and the retired ones had a charm that they completely lack now. Crying or Very sad


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I have to agree "schleich61" mentioned this
  1. Both Schleich and Papo have gone downhill in recent years

Well, about papo, - you must mean the VERY recent years, because if you compare to the first ones, even if the first animal models were ever so charming, they surely went uphill when it comes to accuracy Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:02 pm

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  1. Both Schleich and Papo have gone downhill in recent years
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:15 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:19 pm

person: schleich
elves: schleich
knights: schleich
cattle:schleich
cats: schleich
horses:schleich
fantasy;: schleich
dragons: schleich
wild west: schleich
gladiators:schleich
egypcian: schleich
wild animals schleich
schleich have the best models.
papo have good models, but are very rare and some of them are not realistic.
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:39 am

Álvaro/schleich wrote:
person: schleich
elves: schleich
knights: schleich
cattle:schleich
cats: schleich
horses:schleich
fantasy;: schleich
dragons: schleich
wild west: schleich
gladiators:schleich
egypcian: schleich
wild animals schleich
schleich have the best models.
papo have good models, but are very rare and some of them are not realistic.
Sorry
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:00 am

I will not make a list, Roger made an interesting one IMHO, even if I don't agree with everything...

What is the best ?

SCHLEICH is the best for one thing... It is the Best seller Sad(o)): And that's the only point where SCHLEICH is the best. Laughing Laughing Laughing

PAPO is a brand with great hits and great flops. fantastic lions and tigers, great hippo, major croc. They are on the podium and IMHO have the gold or silver medal with those ones, not only in competition with SCHLEICH but in competition to the "bIG 6".
But PAPO has got also really really poor models, like zebras, dromedary or koala. What a Face

SCHLEICH has a decent line without too big flops but without hits. No It is uneasy to find a SCHLEICH model I could say it is the best among the "Big 6" brands. The SCHLEICH are well made but they are often not realistic. They are the champions of chubby models with too big heads. The zebras and pelican are maybe the only one which could reach the podium and have a medal. The last kudu, the Cape buffalo are the most realistic of the brand IMHO but they are not the best, not better than PAPO.
Both dinos from PAPO or SCHLEICH are not accurate, but at least PAPO are far more impressive than SCHLEICH.

I will not speak about elves, dragons and other things I don't collect.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:32 am

Laughing Laughing Laughing It's ok Sad(o)): Sad(o)):

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Sat Sep 29, 2012 6:09 am

It also came to mind that some collectors may like the somewhat more traditional toy approach that Schleich takes perhaps for nostalgic reasons. I must understand this because that is the way I am when it comes to certain other things such as video games, music, and movies - I like a lot of 'outdated' things. And of course brands like Papo have a much more modern approach (with more of a focus on detail).

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:56 am

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I will not make a list, Roger made an interesting one IMHO, even if I don't agree with everything...

What is the best ?

SCHLEICH is the best for one thing... It is the Best seller Sad(o)): And that's the only point where SCHLEICH is the best. Laughing Laughing Laughing

PAPO is a brand with great hits and great flops. fantastic lions and tigers, great hippo, major croc. They are on the podium and IMHO have the gold or silver medal with those ones, not only in competition with SCHLEICH but in competition to the "bIG 6".
But PAPO has got also really really poor models, like zebras, dromedary or koala. What a Face

SCHLEICH has a decent line without too big flops but without hits. No It is uneasy to find a SCHLEICH model I could say it is the best among the "Big 6" brands. The SCHLEICH are well made but they are often not realistic. They are the champions of chubby models with too big heads. The zebras and pelican are maybe the only one which could reach the podium and have a medal. The last kudu, the Cape buffalo are the most realistic of the brand IMHO but they are not the best, not better than PAPO.
Both dinos from PAPO or SCHLEICH are not accurate, but at least PAPO are far more impressive than SCHLEICH.

I will not speak about elves, dragons and other things I don't collect.

...I, m absolutely agree with Christophe! Sad(o)): Sad(o)): Sad(o)): Sad(o)): Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:26 am

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Laughing Laughing Laughing It's ok Sad(o)): Sad(o)):

Alvara, SCHLEICH is also a big brand, I understand you love it. When I go in a shop and see the SCHLEICH display, I know it is impressive and very homogene Wink

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It also came to mind that some collectors may like the somewhat more traditional toy approach that Schleich takes perhaps for nostalgic reasons. I must understand this because that is the way I am when it comes to certain other things such as video games, music, and movies - I like a lot of 'outdated' things. And of course brands like Papo have a much more modern approach (with more of a focus on detail).

You are right Very Happy Collecting is a love affair and lovers have always the best reasons to love. I oove a lot of models because they are toys and because they are good vintage toys Laughing But I will never say they are the most realistic !

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:53 pm

Ich bin ja nun eingefleischter SCHLEICH Fan,aber ich gebe Roger recht mit dem was er sagt.Die alten Serien von Schleich finde ich realistischer wie die heutigen.

I am now a confirmed SCHLEICH fan, but I'm quite satisfied with what he Roger sagt.Die old series of surreptitious I find realistic as today.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:46 pm

exclamation scratch I remembered there was already a big topic about SCHLEICH and PAPO !

I will merge the two topics Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:20 pm

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Papo or Schleich?
Both:)
I like the way Papo make their wildlife and dinos, and the horses poses -they are very realistic. As for Schleich- older molds were marvellous, the latest ones are quite plain, but still they are rather good in painting:)

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:09 am

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OK, here goes my contribution, only wild life and species available in 2012.
Tomorrow I can change my choices! Laughing

Red deers, none

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I think I like old red deer by Scheich and also current red deer by Papo What a Face What is wrong with them? Shocked Suspect Wink


Ana, I lost your comment! Sleep
I thought a little before making the list, not because I had a lot of doubts about the choices, but because it is not always confortable to make it on a forum. We can find many collectors posting here but I was the only who did it. :)
All deers with not palmated antlers are very uninteresting among modern brands. Mainly stags, see how thick are antlers of the retired Schleich red deer, white tails from Schleich and Mojo, etc, etc. rendeer
The Papo is better on this little point, the figure is very proud looking, but when I see it in pictures it doesn't look real, maybe painting, legs, I can't explain, I also don't know it personally and my comments couldn't be fair.
I also forget that when comparing brands the only points of interest are not the accuracy of the figures. Diversity of species, manufacturing of the figures, are also 2 very important points, among others. study
Papo is not very good in both aspects, Schleich is also not rich in diversity but more interesting in manufacturing quality. I hope the last year disaster was a mistake and that Schleich returns to good manofacturing of previous years. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:06 am

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....... ..... I hope the last year disaster was a mistake and that Schleich returns to good manofacturing of previous years. Very Happy

I surely hope so, too Sad(o)):

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:52 am

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Ana, I lost your comment! Sleep
I thought a little before making the list, not because I had a lot of doubts about the choices, but because it is not always confortable to make it on a forum. We can find many collectors posting here but I was the only who did it. :)
All deers with not palmated antlers are very uninteresting among modern brands. Mainly stags, see how thick are antlers of the retired Schleich red deer, white tails from Schleich and Mojo, etc, etc. rendeer
The Papo is better on this little point, the figure is very proud looking, but when I see it in pictures it doesn't look real, maybe painting, legs, I can't explain, I also don't know it personally and my comments couldn't be fair.
I also forget that when comparing brands the only points of interest are not the accuracy of the figures. Diversity of species, manufacturing of the figures, are also 2 very important points, among others. study
Papo is not very good in both aspects, Schleich is also not rich in diversity but more interesting in manufacturing quality. I hope the last year disaster was a mistake and that Schleich returns to good manufacturing of previous years. Very Happy

It is indeed difficult to make a list... Especially after yours Laughing
As I said, I didn't make one because it would look like the same list with some changes and I'm not sure it is very interesting to know what choices we have together and what choices are different.
It's true in a Brand versus another brand discussion, there is a lot of points we could discuss. Accuracy, personality, finition, quality and style of painting, range and prices Wink
I guess a difference is also a matter of age. SCHLEICH was a very innovative brand in the last 1990's and the early 2000's with models not or rarely seen before, for example on their dinos and prehistoric lines, with their birds of prey...
PAPO was a very innovative brand a few years later, bringing the quality standart higher with their dinos, big cats, reptiles... It was a great change then in the Animal figurines world. I remember the first time I saw PAPO and SCHLEICH display in a shop at Lille drunken Just had a look at the hippos or crocs and you knew that something had changed cheers
Now, SCHLEICH and PAPO have also common points, for example they were in the Sleepy brands camp in 2012 Sleep Sleep while COLLECTA and MOJO was working hard about new species and new standarts of quality.
Next thing... I need both PAPO and SCHLEICH, I hope they will wake up in 2013 Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:08 pm

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Ana, I lost your comment! Sleep
I thought a little before making the list, not because I had a lot of doubts about the choices, but because it is not always confortable to make it on a forum. We can find many collectors posting here but I was the only who did it. :)
All deers with not palmated antlers are very uninteresting among modern brands. Mainly stags, see how thick are antlers of the retired Schleich red deer, white tails from Schleich and Mojo, etc, etc. rendeer
The Papo is better on this little point, the figure is very proud looking, but when I see it in pictures it doesn't look real, maybe painting, legs, I can't explain, I also don't know it personally and my comments couldn't be fair.
I also forget that when comparing brands the only points of interest are not the accuracy of the figures. Diversity of species, manufacturing of the figures, are also 2 very important points, among others. study
Papo is not very good in both aspects, Schleich is also not rich in diversity but more interesting in manufacturing quality. I hope the last year disaster was a mistake and that Schleich returns to good manofacturing of previous years. Very Happy

Roger, I cannot imagine you have had, or will have, any problems with other collectors if you stick to criticizing the figurines or the brand itself. It is when you use the brand to criticize the people who collect it that I get annoyed.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:16 am

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Ana, I lost your comment! Sleep
I thought a little before making the list, not because I had a lot of doubts about the choices, but because it is not always confortable to make it on a forum. We can find many collectors posting here but I was the only who did it. :)
All deers with not palmated antlers are very uninteresting among modern brands. Mainly stags, see how thick are antlers of the retired Schleich red deer, white tails from Schleich and Mojo, etc, etc. rendeer
The Papo is better on this little point, the figure is very proud looking, but when I see it in pictures it doesn't look real, maybe painting, legs, I can't explain, I also don't know it personally and my comments couldn't be fair.
I also forget that when comparing brands the only points of interest are not the accuracy of the figures. Diversity of species, manufacturing of the figures, are also 2 very important points, among others. study
Papo is not very good in both aspects, Schleich is also not rich in diversity but more interesting in manufacturing quality. I hope the last year disaster was a mistake and that Schleich returns to good manofacturing of previous years. Very Happy

Roger, I cannot imagine you have had, or will have, any problems with other collectors if you stick to criticizing the figurines or the brand itself. It is when you use the brand to criticize the people who collect it that I get annoyed.


Phil, after reading your kind pm, what is really annoying and disappointing is to see your insistence with this kind of comments. I haven't criticized any collector. That's a sterile conversation and not opportune at all. Please, when you think I'm doing it, send me a pm, I'm a open minded person and I can recognize easily my faults. :)
Take this example, after reading your comment, it looks, on my comment you're quoting, that I'm criticizing all collectors. When actually I'm criticizing myself. I know you also want the best for the forum, what eventually explains your superprotector behaviour, so don't make a storm in a glass of water. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:53 am

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OK, here goes my contribution, only wild life and species available in 2012.
Tomorrow I can change my choices! Laughing

Red deers, none

Wink


I think I like old red deer by Scheich and also current red deer by Papo What a Face What is wrong with them? Shocked Suspect Wink


Ana, I lost your comment! Sleep
I thought a little before making the list, not because I had a lot of doubts about the choices, but because it is not always confortable to make it on a forum. We can find many collectors posting here but I was the only who did it. :)
All deers with not palmated antlers are very uninteresting among modern brands. Mainly stags, see how thick are antlers of the retired Schleich red deer, white tails from Schleich and Mojo, etc, etc. rendeer
The Papo is better on this little point, the figure is very proud looking, but when I see it in pictures it doesn't look real, maybe painting, legs, I can't explain, I also don't know it personally and my comments couldn't be fair.


Oh I see, thank You for coming back to my comment. I like Your list, it's interesting to read and also I agree in many things Very Happy

For me too thick antlers not really destroying all the look of figure. They disturb but only a little bit, not very much. I like very much the head of older red deer by Schleich, it is very well sculpted. Papo one is on my wishlist also. I guess thinner antlers would be just very difficult in producing in plastic. In case of Papo, he has something special in him, maybe not 100% realism but lot of charm and character. rendeer

I'm not a fan of newer Schleich stag though, it looks very plain and texture is giving him quite plushy look. It's surprising they did such a deer after excellent roe deer family I love you

I would love to see white tailed deer family by Schleich in the same quality level as their roe deer. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:39 am

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Ana, I lost your comment! Sleep
I thought a little before making the list, not because I had a lot of doubts about the choices, but because it is not always confortable to make it on a forum. We can find many collectors posting here but I was the only who did it. :)
All deers with not palmated antlers are very uninteresting among modern brands. Mainly stags, see how thick are antlers of the retired Schleich red deer, white tails from Schleich and Mojo, etc, etc. rendeer
The Papo is better on this little point, the figure is very proud looking, but when I see it in pictures it doesn't look real, maybe painting, legs, I can't explain, I also don't know it personally and my comments couldn't be fair.
I also forget that when comparing brands the only points of interest are not the accuracy of the figures. Diversity of species, manufacturing of the figures, are also 2 very important points, among others. study
Papo is not very good in both aspects, Schleich is also not rich in diversity but more interesting in manufacturing quality. I hope the last year disaster was a mistake and that Schleich returns to good manofacturing of previous years. Very Happy

Roger, I cannot imagine you have had, or will have, any problems with other collectors if you stick to criticizing the figurines or the brand itself. It is when you use the brand to criticize the people who collect it that I get annoyed.


Phil, after reading your kind pm, what is really annoying and disappointing is to see your insistence with this kind of comments. I haven't criticized any collector. That's a sterile conversation and not opportune at all. Please, when you think I'm doing it, send me a pm, I'm a open minded person and I can recognize easily my faults. :)
Take this example, after reading your comment, it looks, on my comment you're quoting, that I'm criticizing all collectors. When actually I'm criticizing myself. I know you also want the best for the forum, what eventually explains your superprotector behaviour, so don't make a storm in a glass of water. Very Happy


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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:56 am

I don't know why I'm getting involved--I know I'll regret it.

Phil, I say this kindly, but for the life of me, I honestly could not work out where Roger was supposedly criticizing forum members for liking a brand. I think it's possible you misunderstood. (But I accept that it may be I who is misunderstanding.)

More importantly, however, I do wish members would handle this level of criticism privately. Disagreement in the public forum is of course fine--even fun sometimes. But when it becomes slightly mean-spirited, it feels very much out of place in a forum that is most noteworthy, to my mind, for its warmth and kindness. I like coming here in part because I don't have to worry about getting flamed.

Both of you are great contributors to this forum. I hope we can aim for kinder and more charitable comments.

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:31 am

Papo for me. I didn't grow up with Schleich so I don't have any nostalgia for them. Schleich dinosaurs don't really do anything for me, but they have made a couple of hits here and there (their Parasaurolophus and Quetzalcoatlus were good figures) Schleich dinosaurs generally have very good details but their sculpting and anatomy often puts me off...and many of them tend to look deformed and not like a living animal at all.

On the other hand, I have nearly every single Papo dino they've released. I like their detail and how life-like they are. Yes, they do have scientific errors, but they are still believable as living animals.
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:30 pm

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I don't know why I'm getting involved--I know I'll regret it.

Phil, I say this kindly, but for the life of me, I honestly could not work out where Roger was supposedly criticizing forum members for liking a brand. I think it's possible you misunderstood. (But I accept that it may be I who is misunderstanding.)

More importantly, however, I do wish members would handle this level of criticism privately. Disagreement in the public forum is of course fine--even fun sometimes. But when it becomes slightly mean-spirited, it feels very much out of place in a forum that is most noteworthy, to my mind, for its warmth and kindness. I like coming here in part because I don't have to worry about getting flamed.

Both of you are great contributors to this forum. I hope we can aim for kinder and more charitable comments.


Scott, I welcome your involvement, but the "situation" I was referring to happened recently in another section. When faced with my response to his statement, Roger never responded directly, but was making an oblique reference to that discussion here.

If you don't know what a specific discussion is referencing, maybe you should make an effort to discover that before you offer up your own criticisms of the actor(s) involved.

I simply resent Roger's comments over time belittling not Schleich, but those who have chosen to collect that brand. If someone else does this, then I will respond in kind, in public, just as the original posted did. If you have a problem with that, too bad... exclamation

By the way, in case you haven't realized it yet, I responded to Roger's last comment here with humor, and he very politely declined to make any further comment. By now bringing this up again, you have almost guaranteed that there will be further exchanges referencing this discussion, although I'm sure that they will be within the bounds of what is reasonable. Congratulations, you've managed to breathe life back into this dispute, so if it should continue, please don't come back again and pontificate any further, because now YOUR fingerprints are also on it... cheers cheers cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:38 pm

I guess it would be better for everybody to come back to the topic debate : PAPO vs SCHLEICH Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:51 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:20 am

I LOVE SCHLEICH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:51 pm

Its tough to choose because both are so different. Schleich has a simplistic and charming look (I do not know to explain it but the figures just seem so cute but in a good way! Very Happy ). Papo has more of a realistic/lively sculpt(s), even though the dinosaurs are inaccurate, just looking at them it seems like they're alive (look at the allosaurus for example Shocked ). But if I had to choose one, it would have to be Schleich because of its charm. Although I do have to note, that Schleich hasn't been impressing me lately (maybe because lack of sea life) but hopefully my faith will be restored in 2013!
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PostSubject: Re: Debate: Papo vs. Schleich   Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:12 pm

Phil, my apologies. It sounds like I did misunderstand the context of the remarks I read. My comments were out of place. It was certainly not my intention to stir things up and I very much hope that we can all put it to the side and move forward in a friendly way. I am very sorry for mischaracterizing the situation.

Putting that aside and turning back to the main topic of the thread, I really agree with Kevin (K907): It is very tough to choose between Papo and Schleich for the reasons he mentioned. I think that describing Schleich's look as simplistic and charming is apt. Their best figures are stylizing, but so elegant. (I'm thinking of the Wisent, the Oryx, and the Hyena, for example.) Another good example is the African Cape Buffalo. I remember hearing many criticize this figure. And as much as I like the Papo Cape Buffalo and I think it is likely more realistic, the Schleich is such a lovely, elegant figure. It just catches my eye.

Very hard choice.

That said, the Papo Tigers are just awesome and put the Schleich tigers to shame. Differences like that are too obvious to ignore.



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