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Caracal



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PostSubject: Pleisto.. scenes!    Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:52 pm

winter is coming, the big migration.. by Starlux..


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PostSubject: Re: Pleisto.. scenes!    Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:25 pm

The title is genial and fits perfectly... Pleisto...scenes! cheers
All these pictures are superb and the first one assumed a certain dramatism that turns it absolutely phenomenal! We almost forget that what we are seeing is an impressive collection and we are moved to that period. cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Pleisto.. scenes!    Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:57 pm

Wonderful scenes and great models!! Applause Applause Applause

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PostSubject: Re: Pleisto.. scenes!    Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:50 pm

Now these are nice dioramas. I must admit, I have never been able to appreciate when people photograph animal models outside. I prefer it when everything is constructed, including the habitat!
Is this a large, permanent diorama you can use for multiple scenes? Or do you create new for each use?
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PostSubject: Re: Pleisto.. scenes!    Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:33 am

Wonderful photos, - and wat a fantastic collection of Starlux you have cheers Applause cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Pleisto.. scenes!    Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:08 am

thanks to you all for your positive reactions! :)

Mathison, thank for your frank comment.. this is a permanent dio I use for 1/32 scale scenes I can't do outside but unlike you, I love shooting bigger scale replicas outside, trying to create illusion of reality.. even if I well know I can't do it perfectly!..  :)


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PostSubject: Re: Pleisto.. scenes!    Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:57 pm


With these scenes , we are very happy. cheers
Other interesting concept.

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PostSubject: Re: Pleisto.. scenes!    Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:38 pm

cheers cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Pleisto.. scenes!    Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:14 pm

thank you Fernando and Andreas! :)

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cave lions and horses from Starlux (repaint)


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PostSubject: Re: Pleisto.. scenes!    Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:09 am

Ohhh, they must be the mythical Equus hydruntinus, the TRUE zebras!!! (actual zebras are not zebras, they took its name from this species in the same way that penguins are not penguins, but the great auk is the true penguin Very Happy )

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PostSubject: Re: Pleisto.. scenes!    Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:39 am

..dear Pardofelis, taxonomy of Equus genus is rather complicated!.. Once, Equus hydrontinus was supponed to be closed to zebra Equus burchelli because of its jugal teeths  or relative to wild donkey Equus africanus, because of its skeletal feature, but since recent genetic analysis of mitochondrial DNA on crimean Kabasi fossil, we know that it was an onager (Equus hemionus)!.. it was an european onager!..

These custom Starlux horses are simply the last european wild horses Equus gmelini (also called "Tarpans") in winter coat with light stripes on legs (from french zoorama of Gramat which presents some reconstitued "new aurochs and tarpans").. :)
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PostSubject: Re: Pleisto.. scenes!    Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:01 pm

So, Equus hydruntinus is not anymore a valid species? That surprises me a lot. If it's the same species than Equus hemionus I find not possible that paleontologist arised it as a new species!
Anyway this is the true zebra because the name zebra is originally applied to it before than the current zebras, regardless to taxonomy Very Happy

About your figures, also surprised... the Tarpan is Equus caballus (subspecies ferus), not Equus gmelini to my knowledge...

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PostSubject: Re: Pleisto.. scenes!    Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:21 pm

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About your figures, also surprised... the Tarpan is Equus caballus (subspecies ferus), not Equus gmelini to my knowledge...

The tarpan is E. ferus ferus (the domestic horse is E. ferus caballus) - mixed up species and subspecies there ;-)

To my knowledge E. gmelini is a synonym of E. ferus ferus
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PostSubject: Re: Pleisto.. scenes!    Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:44 pm

..according the new genetic analysis, Equus hydrontinus would become Equus hemionus hydrontinus, a sub-species of onager.

Most of paleotologists agree the following classification of truth horses:

-Equus pzrewalski Poliakov, 1881
_Equus gmelini Antonius, 1912 (= Equus ferus Boddaert)
_Equus cabalus Linné, 1758

..but alarm!.. paleontologists often create species that genetic analysis don't confirm and may be that's why exist other taxonomic propositions like your!.. :)
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PostSubject: Re: Pleisto.. scenes!    Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:51 pm

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..according the new genetic analysis, Equus hydrontinus would become Equus hemionus hydrontinus, a sub-species of onager.

Most of paleotologists agree the following classification of truth horses:

-Equus pzrewalski Poliakov, 1881
_Equus gmelini Antonius, 1912 (= Equus ferus Boddaert)
_Equus cabalus Linné, 1758

..but alarm!.. paleontologists often create species that genetic analysis don't confirm and may be that's why  exist other taxonomic propositions like your!..  :)

Taxonomists are always 'horsing' around lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Pleisto.. scenes!    Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:08 pm

I chek on Wiki and red that following the rule of anteriority, the tarpan would be called "Equus ferus" but according somme zoologists, tarpans that Bodaert studied were no more from pure origin and that's why they can't be named "ferus"!.. rather complicated I wrote! drunken
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PostSubject: Re: Pleisto.. scenes!    Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:18 pm

Well, let's them to be just "wild horses" Very Happy
Thanks for all the taxonomic explanation!

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PostSubject: Re: Pleisto.. scenes!    Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:26 pm

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The tarpan is E. ferus ferus (the domestic horse is E. ferus caballus) - mixed up species and subspecies there ;-)

This concrete point is just a nonsense, who mixed up species and subespecies are those who proposed this nomenclature. The correct nomenclature is the one that I said (Equus caballus caballus for domestic horse and Equus caballus ferus for tarpan) due to the principle of priority, the most sacred rule of the zoological nomenclature system. It's just by a completely new and absolutely absurd addition that some authors decided that for all the "domestic" species, the prioritary and hence valid name should be put after, and not before the name of the wild ancestor because if don't, it "looks like that wild ancestors derivate from domestic forms". Well, nobody in the world can think that! They are just mixing nomenclature with taxonomy, that are two completely different things. So the name for domestic horse must be Equus caballus anyway, and the name for tarpan Equus caballus ferus UNLESS you considere them as a different species than domestic horse, then it would be Equus caballus for domestic and Equus ferus for tarpan.

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PostSubject: Re: Pleisto.. scenes!    Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:31 pm

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The tarpan is E. ferus ferus (the domestic horse is E. ferus caballus) - mixed up species and subspecies there ;-)

This concrete point is just a nonsense, who mixed up species and subespecies are those who proposed this nomenclature. The correct nomenclature is the one that I said (Equus caballus caballus for domestic horse and Equus caballus ferus for tarpan) due to the principle of priority, the most sacred rule of the zoological nomenclature system. It's just by a completely new and absolutely absurd addition that some authors decided that for all the "domestic" species, the prioritary and hence valid name should be put after, and not before the name of the wild ancestor because if don't, it "looks like that wild ancestors derivate from domestic forms". Well, nobody in the world can think that! They are just mixing nomenclature with taxonomy, that are two completely different things. So the name for domestic horse must be Equus caballus anyway, and the name for tarpan Equus caballus ferus UNLESS you considere them as a different species than domestic horse, then it would be Equus caballus for domestic and Equus ferus for tarpan.

Ahhhhhhhh yes I forgot that silly habit of putting the ancestral name first, regardless of what was described first. You are correct, It should be E. c. caballus for domestic and E. c. ferus for the tarpan. Thanks for the reminder. I am a taxonomist, but the taxa I study are not domesticated LOL, so I forgot this silly habit.
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PostSubject: Re: Pleisto.. scenes!    Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:59 pm

yes you're right Pardofelis, it's only in 2003 that the "International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature" has forbidden to place names of domestic forms before the ones of wild ones..
the right nomenclature should be:

Equus caballus caballus
Equus caballus ferus
Equus caballus przewalski

..for these 3 forms interbreed and belong to the same species: caballus!..

..oh and what about the cave lion?..  Panthera spelaea or Panthera leo spelaea?!  Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Pleisto.. scenes!    Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:49 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Pleisto.. scenes!    Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:26 pm

I like the way you painted the coat of these Crocuta spelaea for make them slightly different than the current Crocuta crocuta! Very Happy

Poor guys! Who will win? Intelligence and weapons, or strenght and superior number?

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PostSubject: Re: Pleisto.. scenes!    Thu Mar 07, 2019 11:30 pm

I hope they won't be to late to make a big fire!.. but if they don't..

I didn't repaint these Crocuta crocuta from nederland "Toi Toys" brand,  and which seem small copies of Schleich ones, at the same scale as my Starlux hunters (and very cheap too, 50c/each!).. :)
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PostSubject: Re: Pleisto.. scenes!    Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:36 pm

from Starlux, eagle, cave bear and custom aurochs:


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PostSubject: Re: Pleisto.. scenes!    Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:18 pm

Wonderful scenes again!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Pleisto.. scenes!    Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:05 am

Very Happy seeing your logo, I am not surprised you enjoy them!.. thank you Taos! :)
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