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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:24 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Thu Jul 22, 2010 1:04 pm

I added some more plants, and took a couple of pics of the new additions. I doubled the canary reeds, made some horsetail reeds from clay and added some more grass. Here are the pics, hope you like them.

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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Thu Jul 22, 2010 1:20 pm

The more plants, the better ! Very Happy

This horsetails are a really good idea, I think you need more. What are the plants just behind them ?

The japanese bamboos look great all together.
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Thu Jul 22, 2010 1:40 pm

[ quote = " Kikimalou "] The more plants, the better! : D

This horsetails are a really good idea, I think you need more. What are the plants just behind them?

The japanese bamboos look great all together. [ / quote ]

I don't know the name, but they are a tropical ground cover. The kit had them in it, so I put them on the dio, I'm not sure I like them there, on the mini dio they were actually in the water as a shoreline plant. I didn't take a picture yet, I'll get one today and post it, but now there is a big group of canary reeds between the small plants and the river bank so it looks a little better to me.
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:54 pm

Looks really nice Phil.
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:40 pm

It looks awesome Phil. Can't wait to see it with animals on it.
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Thu Jul 22, 2010 4:47 pm

I took a few more pictures today, and I tried an experiment-my first home made vines. In the dio pictures I have almost finished the grass, I need some filler grass, and to remove any strieght lines, things like that. I have also put all of the dirt down, which doesn't prohibit anything, the dirt is glued to the green mat and I can glue anything I want onto it. I also need to start the tropical part of the dio, I have the banyon tree for the back corner, and a strangler fig that will be here next month, I am still looking for several medium sized plants and bushes, but Danny is looking for some he has and I have a blue clock vine being made for the raised river bank. Just wait for next month, I met a lady who does scale gardens in clay and asked her if she ever did tropical plants. Fortunatly for me she does, and she is making me two plants, the common or red water lotus and the blue clock vine. I can't wait to show pictures of them as I have seen her water lilies and lotus plants in a 1:12 water garden diorama that she did. For me she is doing 1:22 so it will fit in my diorama.

Well, here are the dio pictures, the last photo is the vine just attached to a tree I sculpted but haven't added any foliage, but it should give you the idea of what it will look like once I put it on the dio, probably on or near the river bank.
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Here is a close up of the additional canary reeds in the spot I chose
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:00 pm

Looks great Phil. The reeds look awesome and so does the vine. The third picture, the close up around the water, looks amazing. It is really coming together fast.
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:59 pm

Yes,the last 2 pictures jumped into my eyes imedeatly!Awesome river banks!
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:11 am

I put the vine on the banyon tree, This is probably where it will go permanently, but I don't have to glue it, I just wrap it around the loose hanging roots and branches so I can move it without damaging the banyon, which is one of my favorite trees in the collection.

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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:33 am

Will already look very good, Phil, keep it up! cheers :)
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:50 am

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I put the vine on the banyon tree, This is probably where it will go permanently, but I don't have to glue it, I just wrap it around the loose hanging roots and branches so I can move it without damaging the banyon, which is one of my favorite trees in the collection.

Here is the photo of the new vine

Very good Phil, what an ornament for a so wonderful tree ! And it is a good thing you don't need glue. I understand you don't want to damage the Banyan if one day you change your mind.
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:27 am

Wow Phil, it looks beautiful. I love the ferns under the Banyon tree and the vine looks really good.
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:22 pm

Here is the final picture of the vine, I have added a lot more foliage, thinned the root system and spread it out into the tree. This was harder then it sounds as the branches are not glued so everytime I thougt is was perfect I would let go and some parts would stick up and out and it wasn't pretty. I got it where I want it, I think, but even if I am not happy I can remove it or change the position without any trouble.

Here is the photo as it will stand on the diorama, for now I like it, but I have to get it on the dio and take some pictures to look at closer.
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:14 am

It is better with more leaves Phil ! Can't wait to see the banyan and vine on the dio.
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:05 am

It looks fabulous!
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:34 pm

It looks very nice!Ana can create a small galago to fit on them!Or a tree snake!
Will you add an Indian rhino,too?I love those elusive animals!

I have one more quetion,Phil.The diorama is part of a plain(forest edge) or a woodland.Will you add more trees?The banian looks like it is 100 years old,and it should be surrounded by at least some other taller bushes or plants(fox-tail palms,orcid trees,etc).
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:03 pm

[ quote = "Wild Heart "] It looks very nice! Ana can create a small galago to fit on them! Or a tree snake!
Will you add an Indian rhino , too I love those elusive animals!

I have one more quetion , Phil.The diorama is part of a plain ( forest edge) or a woodland.Will you add more trees? The banian looks like it is 100 years old, and it should be surrounded by at least some other taller plants or bushes (fox -tail palms , orcid trees, etc ). [ / quote ]

Wild Heart, I will have several species of birds in the trees and near the water, the only reptile I have planned for sure is a pr of gharial one, in the water with just the top of the head visible, the other basking on the rocks. I have some bank Indain rhino , and I plan to have them on the audio, but the final display depends on several things including how they look when I take the photos.

As far as more plants , I have not started the tropical part of the dio . The scrub , which is where the Indian spotted deer herd will be feeding, will have some ground plants in the grass , and the river edge will also have several types of palms and banana plants growing on the banks along with the reeds and bushes , but One thing to remember is the African dio has taken more then 18 months to get to the point it is now, and this diorama is 1/3rd bigger. I think it will be at least 18 months to finish and I have only been working on it for 3 months now. I have a lot of work to do before it is ready to be called done, and the last things to go up will be the tropical plants and flowers that will be in the tropical section. I have the Banyon here , and I have a strangler fig that is big that will be here in August, but those are the only two trees I have so far for the tropical forest. I, am looking for a species of tree that is big enough for the colony of painted storks with their nests . As of now I am thinking of eight adults on the tree , but that may change as the diorama gets more crowded or space dictates the tree I am looking for must be smaller.


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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:44 pm

Do not missunderstand me!The whole arrangement is great!
I just wanted to create an image of the project!

A tiger stalking the deer...
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:41 am

The tree and vine look awesome Phil.
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PostSubject: Subject: Re: Full size Indian diorama    Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:11 pm

Phil congratulations for your work, awesome making your diorama with the various steps quite wonderful realism with the addition of your remarkable animals. Thank cheers bounce Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:28 pm

I have been busy, not only did I make some vines there is a ground flower from India that I tried to make, I can't remember it's name, but it is now a common garden ground cover here in the USA. Here are the photos, I am going to make about twice as many as there are on the second picture, the whole area under the bananas will be filled to the grass with a big group of them. They are not easy to make, I make them from scratch, cutting and gluing the shapes of the flower, then adding the foliage and gluing the flowers to the plant. It took me about 2 hours to do the 30 flowers that are on the dio now, but toward the end I was much quicker and I have cut a lot of petals that I can use to make the next set which will save a lot of time.

The first photo is a single group on my shop desk, the second is the 3 groups on the diorama.
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:39 pm

Beautiful flowers Phil, and I like to see a lot of plants together as you know. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:12 am

They're beautiful Phil!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:32 am

We have many of those flowers living in Bucharest(either on flower beds or balconies).
They're name is ''panseluţă''.There is also a wild species I have met in the forest,which is a lot smaller.
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Sun Aug 01, 2010 3:06 am

The flowers are beautiful Phil. I love the colors.
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:17 am

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We have many of those flowers living in Bucharest(either on flower beds or balconies).
They're name is ''panseluţă''.There is also a wild species I have met in the forest,which is a lot smaller.
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Are they pansies WH? Your pic is quite small I can't tell. We get loads of wild Pansies around the fields, they particularly come up after the crop has been harvested. But we also have cultivated ones in pots in the garden.
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Sun Aug 01, 2010 7:28 pm

l did not know they were called pansies Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:26 am

[ quote = "Wild Heart "] l did not know they were called pansies : D
thanks for the info, harriet :! : [ / quote ]

Pansies are a very common plant, but the ones I am thinking of sometimes are called honeysuckle or blue bailer, and they are a cold hardy Indian native. In the wild the color and size of the flower are duller and smaller, but I wanted it to be big and pretty so I used the combo of the wild plant and the domestic size of the flower.
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:37 pm

Don't worry,Phil!They are beautiful!
In other places,Diorama flowers were just spots of paint!
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:47 pm

I was talking to Danny and he told me that banyon trees do not usually have vines growing on them so I decided to remove them and place them in a different spot. I chose the raised riverbank wall as the spot to put them, and as nothing is glued I can move add or remove them from that spot with no trouble. I also made a couple of trees, two of which I put up on the diorama just to get a photo of them. They are smaller trees, one not much bigger then a bush, but I like the foliage. I found that the foliage that Danny's sculptor uses is much more money, but I like it as much as the Selkirk Scenery that I also use.

Here are the photos, please make some comments on the different vine leaves and the look of them growing from the river up to the top of the river bank.
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:51 pm

The vines look really good there too. I love the trees.
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Thu Aug 05, 2010 11:17 pm

Very good place for vines Very Happy And trees are excellent , very pretty foliage cat
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Fri Aug 06, 2010 4:43 am

The trees are beautiful. I love the foliage. The vines look great going up the river bank.
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:26 am

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[ quote = "Wild Heart "] l did not know they were called pansies : D
thanks for the info, harriet :! : [ / quote ]

Pansies are a very common plant, but the ones I am thinking of sometimes are called honeysuckle or blue bailer, and they are a cold hardy Indian native. In the wild the color and size of the flower are duller and smaller, but I wanted it to be big and pretty so I used the combo of the wild plant and the domestic size of the flower.

I thought "honeysuckles" was bushes we called "chèvrefeuilles" in France confused

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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:34 am

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I was talking to Danny and he told me that banyon trees do not usually have vines growing on them so I decided to remove them and place them in a different spot. I chose the raised riverbank wall as the spot to put them, and as nothing is glued I can move add or remove them from that spot with no trouble. I also made a couple of trees, two of which I put up on the diorama just to get a photo of them. They are smaller trees, one not much bigger then a bush, but I like the foliage. I found that the foliage that Danny's sculptor uses is much more money, but I like it as much as the Selkirk Scenery that I also use.

Here are the photos, please make some comments on the different vine leaves and the look of them growing from the river up to the top of the river bank.

I love the small trees, IMHO, they look very natural. It's great Phil.

I also like very much the ideas of dressing the raised riverbank with vines, it was too naked before. Very Happy But I'm not agree with the vines growing from the river... Vines can't raised from a water environnement, they grow in dryer and poor soil. To look more natural, the vines must grow from the upper bank and "fall down" to the river I think. It will look more realist. I hope it can help Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Fri Aug 06, 2010 6:25 am

[ quote = " Kikimalou "] I love the small trees , IMHO , they look very natural. It's great Phil

I also like very much the ideas of dressing the raised river bank with vines , it was too naked before. : D But I'm not agree with the vines growing from the river ... Vines can not raised from a water environnement , they grow in dryer and poor soil. To look more natural, the vines must grow from the upper bank and "fall down " to the river I think. It will look more realist. I hope it can help :) [ / quote ]

I agree with the vines growing from the bank and hanging down, but these came out of the trees and had the bases attached to them already. I probably will change them at some point before the end of the build, but for now I didn't want to cut the bases off incase I add them to a tree at some point. I can always use the current vines in the trees and make more for the river bank. There is a blue clock vine from India that I love, it has a bright blue, 5 petal flower that is big enought to be reproduced in scale, so maybe I can make them for the wall.

I have some more work to do, and I will use comments like this to make the dio better.
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Fri Aug 06, 2010 6:50 am

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I agree with the vines growing from the bank and hanging down, but these came out of the trees and had the bases attached to them already. I probably will change them at some point before the end of the build, but for now I didn't want to cut the bases off incase I add them to a tree at some point. I can always use the current vines in the trees and make more for the river bank. There is a blue clock vine from India that I love, it has a bright blue, 5 petal flower that is big enought to be reproduced in scale, so maybe I can make them for the wall.

I have some more work to do, and I will use comments like this to make the dio better.

Ok, I understand now Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Fri Aug 06, 2010 3:42 pm

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That's the only Honeysuckle I know too.
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Fri Aug 06, 2010 4:12 pm

Here in California as a child the plant we called honey suckle was a blue flower and if you seperated it from the stem right at the base of the flower a small drop of sweet "honey" (I know it isn't honey, but that is the best way to describe this drop of liquid) could be squeezed out of the flower at the break. We would pick the flowers and lick the drop until we got in trouble for picking all of the flowers from the gardens around the neighborhood. I don't know the correct name, just that to me it looks a lot like a blue bailer (check spelling) which is a cold hardy bush or ground cover found throughout India.
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:53 am

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Here in California as a child the plant we called honey suckle was a blue flower and if you seperated it from the stem right at the base of the flower a small drop of sweet "honey" (I know it isn't honey, but that is the best way to describe this drop of liquid) could be squeezed out of the flower at the break. We would pick the flowers and lick the drop until we got in trouble for picking all of the flowers from the gardens around the neighborhood. I don't know the correct name, just that to me it looks a lot like a blue bailer (check spelling) which is a cold hardy bush or ground cover found throughout India.
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:13 am

I made a couple of plants for India in the last couple of days. I was looking for some Indian tropical plants to go into the jungle part of the diorama. I chose to make a crape mertyle and a matchstick plant. Both are native to india, and both are very attractive tropical forest plants.

Here is a photo, I put the muntjak in for scale, it is the Kaiyodo model.
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:49 am

very nice bushes Phil.
how did you make the flowers ?
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:42 pm

[ quote = " Kikimalou "] very nice bushes PHIL
how did you make the flowers ? [ / quote ]

Kiki, the flowers were made in two different ways, first the matchstick flowers. I took some clay and rolled it out onto a piece of wax paper. When it was thin enough to fit into a paper punch I punched out a 1/2 inch daisy pattern. Once that was hardened I painted it purple with blue tips and then cut the petals off. the petals were glued to the flower stalk which is made from thin gauge florist wire.

The crape mertyle was harder to do, even though the matchstick plant is tiny, the whole thing is only an inch and a half. For the crape mertyle I rolled out clay the same way I did for the matchstick. Once that was done I used a 1/4 inch sun paper punch and punched out the clay. When that was done, but before the clay was hardened I took a piece of wax covered wood with holes I drilled in it just to do things like this. I used a stylus tool and pressed the sun shape into the wood hole until the rays were almost touching eachother. Then I removed them and baked them to harden. When that was done I painted them and attached them to the tree. I also tried paper with the same procedure but no baking needed, and the results were so close that I am not sure I would use clay again. The paper flower is so close in looks to the clay that I have to decide if I do another one what I am going to have to decide what type of flower I am going to make, paper or clay. The leaves are made of painted paper, I painted one side hunter green and the other moss olive as that is the color that is on the ones by my house. The trunk is a combination of burnt umber and brick red, and that is how I did the crape mertyle.
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:33 am

Lovely flowers Phil!With the new trees from Danny and your forest floor plants,the jungle will be growing very fast! cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:44 am

They are beautiful Phil, amazing!
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:10 pm

Definately beautiful. You keep coming up with more and more ideas and then making them. Absolutely amazing. I can't wait to see them on the dio.
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:04 pm

Thanks for all of the nice compliments , I have not done much on the diorama itself as lately the weather has been a typical August with 100 + degrees and in the shop it is about 20 * hotter so I try to stay out of there during the day. I have been making plants as you have seen in earlier photos so last night I put some out on the dio to get some photos.

Here is the new lotus that I think is just fantastic. It is truly a beautiful plant , and a lot tougher then I thought. It came on a stand , whichI want to remove when I pour the final layer of water. Each leaf was stalk and flower comes out of the stand but right now I do not have another way to stand it up
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This is a photo of some of the tropical plants that I have made. The raised part of the diorama is going to be tripical with lots of smaller plants and a really big tree. It will have several bamboo thickets , lots of native Indian flowers (in this photo there are matchstick plants and cobra lilies ) along with the vines and several smaller palm type plants will be added.
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:19 pm

Just incredible! Shocked Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Full size Indian diorama   Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:01 pm

Fantastic Phil, really awesome!
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