Thoroughbred mares (and some more)

Today I received those 2 mares by CollectA. They were on my wishlist since I saw them on the catalogue! So I´m happy I have them now. But whereas my other Collecta horses are made of ard plastic, they are made of soft material, similar to Bully horses; and I don´t like that point too much. The other thing I was a bit dissapointed about is that the "black" mare is not black, but a dark bay. And they have plain barrels! They look like pears xD Buuuuut anyway I love them! If you don´t look at them from above or below you can´t see this (big) anatomical mistake.




Now I´m waiting for some CollectA horses! I hope they will be made of hard plastic but I´m afraid they won´t.

Congratulations Sylvia, I forgot to say they were soft plastic and I agree they are a strange shape from above. Last years CollectA horses, the hanoverian - they were hard plastic, I wonder why they changed the material?
These thoroughbreds are still really nice, from side view. :) I love their faces best

Congratulations with your soft ColletA-horses, Sy...Silvia

They are ever so pretty, - I like the dark bay colour.
That said, I must , I think, confess something. I am not too mad about the new CollectA-horses

They are too pretty to my taste. BUT it is only my taste, of course .
I think a horse should be built so it can work and not only be a looker


Now, horsey people, tell me

Maybe the softer one is cheapest, or they want to do good toys for children - who knows?

I also think the faces are so well done! They have their own personality :)

Susanne, they are Thoroughbreds; those horses are thin and long because they are bre to gallop in the fastest way. In this video you can have a look at Principe Duero, a TB stallion who is, also, my favourite horse´s grandfather:

http://www.yeguadaaragon.com/video_player.php?video=Duero001.flv

And here´s a photo of another TB stallion:



But you´re right, Collecta TBs are too "long" and thin. I´ve noticed that CollectA horses (at least which I have) tend to be in this way.

What a gorgeous creature

But still, hmmm, I taste can`t be discussed.
I had an Irish thoroughbred when I was a teenager. She was the most pretty, gentle, loving creature on earth, and a dream to ride.

A couple of years ago I also had an Arab mare here for the summer, - they are wonderful !!!!

But I still like horses with a bit more substance better

SUSANNE wrote:

What a gorgeous creature

But still, hmmm, I taste can`t be discussed.
I had an Irish thoroughbred when I was a teenager. She was the most pretty, gentle, loving creature on earth, and a dream to ride.

A couple of years ago I also had an Arab mare here for the summer, - they are wonderful !!!!

But I still like horses with a bit more substance better

I also prefer horses with a bit bigger body :) I wasn´t trying to change your opinion, each one likes different thing, it´s because of that the world is full of different things! ^^

Congratulations Sylvia, graceful figures! :)
The softer plastic is also new for me! I never had a new CollectA horse in my hands!
But was not hard to find old and heavy CollectA horses with broken legs, the plastic was really hard and legs almost donnot bend, it was really dangerous to children, you know that not all kids are careful with their toys, mainly in a time when most children have almost everything they want.
Softer plastic also helps to sculpt narrower parts of the figure. You see it clearly in Papo where tails, horns and so are always in a very soft plastic while the body is of a harder material.

Hi Sylvia! Congratulations for Your new additions, I think they are very pretty
Can You, please, tell us more what do You mean about "pear" shape of the belly? Could You make picture from above, please? And why is it anatomical mistake? It seems You are 100% expert of horses anatomy and it's great to learn from You
I love when this forum is so educative

Roger wrote:

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Softer plastic also helps to sculpt narrower parts of the figure. You see it clearly in Papo where tails, horns and so are always in a very soft plastic while the body is of a harder material.

Hey ! That is funny, I never noticed before
Of course I had to try bending the poor Papo yak, - and you are right ( of course )

Yes, I'd loved to see horses reviews from our horse experts! It's much more fun to learn here in the forum than searching in the web!
Please ladies and gentleman, pic up your horses, make a walk arround and tell us what is nice and wrong!

Susanne, I love to bend the tails of my figures! :)

Roger wrote:

Yes, I'd loved to see horses reviews from our horse experts! It's much more fun to learn here in the forum than searching in the web!
Please ladies and gentleman, pic up your horses, make a walk arround and tell us what is nice and wrong!

Susanne, I love to bend the tails of my figures! :)

Bend the tails is always funny

Admin wrote:

Roger wrote:

Yes, I'd loved to see horses reviews from our horse experts! It's much more fun to learn here in the forum than searching in the web!
Please ladies and gentleman, pic up your horses, make a walk arround and tell us what is nice and wrong!

Susanne, I love to bend the tails of my figures! :)

Bend the tails is always funny

Oh, I thought my Admin was agreeing with my idea of horse reviews and he is only concentrated in bending tails!
Nice to know you are well my friend!

Sure, I will try to explain it in English :)

First, the photos. I took one of my Schleichs (a repainted one) in a similar pose to compare:









Ok, now the explanation.

It´s going to be difficult for me to explain this in English, so please if you have any question after reading this I will understand

I´m going to take a PRE (Pura Raza Española) horse as an example. The head size should be the reference when looking at proportions in a horse; a "perfect" PRE horse´s head should be around 60 cm long. The breadth (I hope is the correct word) between one shoulder and the other should be 60% head´s measure, so a perfect PRE horse should show 40 cm shoulders breadth. About the croup´s breadth, it should be around 90 % head´s measure, so a perfect PRE should have 55 cm croup´s breadth. So, according to this, when looking at the horse from above, it should be like a rectangle with shoulders a little bit thinner than the croup. Obviously other breeds have subtle differences with those porportions, but in fact all of them are similar, at least when talking about shoulders and croup.

As you can see the Schleich one has better shoulder breadth, whereas the Collecta TB is so so thin there. In real life, when a horse have a thin chest (distance btween shoulders determine chest breadth as soon as a horse´s chest is between shoulders) it won´t have good breathing function because lungs don´t have enough space to expand, and also the heart has not enough space, so if the horse does a big effort it could fell in cardiac arrest because its heart won´t be able to beat propperly. This TB mare can´t win any race, she´ll probably die before arriving to the goal.

About the barrel, you can imagine an egg. Put the egg with the thiner part between the shoulders, and the bigger bottom at the end of the barrel. You will get a very similar shape to the correct one. This shape is caused by the rib cage and the abdominal organs (intestines mainly). As you can see, both of the horses in my pics have this shape, bu the Collecta one is very thin in the front part because of the short shoulders breadth.

Another thing the mare has wrong is the straight shape of the under belly. In this area there are no bones, so the internal organs are contained by muscles and skin. Consequently, under belly is not straight, but round. Try to put something soft in a cloth, it will never be straight under the something´s weight. Once again, the Schleich one has better conformation.

Hum, I think I don´t forget anything.

I hope you will understand what I wrote here!

SyLoBe wrote:

Maybe the softer one is cheapest, or they want to do good toys for children - who knows?

I also think the faces are so well done! They have their own personality :)

Susanne, they are Thoroughbreds; those horses are thin and long because they are bre to gallop in the fastest way. In this video you can have a look at Principe Duero, a TB stallion who is, also, my favourite horse´s grandfather:

http://www.yeguadaaragon.com/video_player.php?video=Duero001.flv

And here´s a photo of another TB stallion:


But you´re right, Collecta TBs are too "long" and thin. I´ve noticed that CollectA horses (at least which I have) tend to be in this way.

Thanks for posting that vid Sylvia - he is so tall! Absolutely towering above that man.

She's really thin I wouldn't mind if she was just a bit thinner than an average horse, but this looks at least wierd.
Since I saw first photos I thought I wouldn't treat her as a thoroubred (slightly too big head, etc.), but now I'm really hesitating whether to buy her at all
Btw, as far as I know all 2011 Collecta horses are made from this softer material.

Roger, in Papos horns and other such parts are more bendable just because there is less material in them - the more material, the harder the part is. I doubt their would use two different materials for one model. I think it would be more expensive in production than using one kind of material

Sylvia, very interesting! I value a lot your effort! Thanks!

Magda: Of course it is the same material but with different percentages of pvc! :)

Wow Silvia!! Thank You for SOOOO interesting information!! I have no idea where do You get all of this numbers and % for different breeds but it sounds like secret knowledge
I agree about CollectA mares, their bellies do resemble shapes of pear when look from above but still they look pretty from side view :)
Thank You for that lesson Silvia

You´re very welcome!

ana wrote:

Wow Silvia!! Thank You for SOOOO interesting information!! I have no idea where do You get all of this numbers and % for different breeds but it sounds like secret knowledge

It´s nothing secret :) I just pick the info from a book about the Cartujano horse, the original Pure Spanish Horse ^^


I would like to add something about the shoulder and chest breadth and breathing. The most important factor that conditionates breathing function is the ribs cage deep, not the chest and shoulder breadth. But when that breadth is so small it can affect breathing.

When a foal doesn´t have enough space to move and do exercise its shoulders and chest doesn´t develop correctly. In those cases the most usual consequence is that the horse has not a big endurance (you would only notice that if you try an endurance show), but if the deffect is as big as in this mare it can occur all I said before :)

Another thing I forgot to say about short breadth in shoulders and chest: in those cases, legs tend to be "opened" (look at the left drawings in this image, specially where it says "izquierdos"):

SyLoBe wrote:

I hope you will understand what I wrote here!

Thanks for explaining all that in English!

You explain it really, really well, Silvia !
Thankyou !

I suppose that is what I felt when i thouht them "spindly".
I am not a designer, I can only see that "something" is wrong, they lack the powerful look of the thoroughbred you showed

But they ARE beautyful, the new CollectA s

BTW, I knew a guy from Iceland, he said that he would rather have legs like the "Abierto...", because a saw horse doesn`t easyly fall

But of course not as much as thet one, it will have trouble with sore legs sooner or later

I´m happy you liked my explanatins, Harriet and Susanne :)

I´ve just received some more Collecta horses! I´m very happy with them; I was expecting for nothing especial after having seen the TB mares so I think it´s because of this I´ve liked them so much when I opened the box.

Herd pic!




The buckskin Lusitano. I think he looks more like a Spanish Mustang than like a Luso, so I´m going to show him as a Spanish Mustang! As you can see he DOES have the dorsal stripe :)








And the grey one. The same with him, he´s going to be a Spanish Mustang :)




The light grey nearly white Arabian mare is awesome...




...but I prefer the golden chestnut! I saw some pics that showed a normal chestnut model, and she lookd golden only in the catalogue, so I was waiting for a not-golden mare. But look, she IS golden! Well, I´m not sure you could appreciate it propperly in the photos.








Now the grey Spanish stallion. Well, he´s too thin and has too long legs to fit a Spanish horse, so I supose it could be a Spanish x Warmblood Sport Horse cross.

I´ve quoted this from the topic https://sts-forum.forumieren.de/t2407-new-collecta-horses

HKHollinstone wrote:

SUSANNE wrote:

PS : does the last one have a dorsal stripe ?

The Grey (looks more like a dun actually) Andalusian doesn't have a dorsal stripe, no, it would look good if it did though

Well, mine looks more like a blue roan going grey. At least I see him in that way! And the best thing is that he´s a bit silvery! So I supose it could also fit a champagne coat, in fact, a classic champagne roan going grey. Classic champagne because it has no reddish coloring, so he has a black base, and champagne in a black base is classic champagne; roan because the body is lighter than head and legs, and going grey, because hed and legs are too greyish to be just classic champagne. So I´ve decided that mine is a classic champagne roan going grey (I´m sorry if I´m boring you!)

Ok, ok, photos!








I also have the bay one. He has a rich reddish sooty bay coat (sooty makes the color darker in upper parts, and belly keeps a bit lighter)




At least, but not less important: the Lipizzaner stallion :) His coat color is better than in the pic. He looks like dirty, like if he had been rolling in the ground! I love it :) Oh! And he´s the only one of my new horses that is made of hard plastic, maybe because he´s not a new model ^^

I can't wait to buy those horses
I agree with you, Lusitano reminds me of a Mustang too, I'm going to repaint him and make him a Kiger Mustang.
I think all Collecta horses made by Deborah McDermott have some minor mistakes, mainly in proportions, but I love tham anyway, their heads are simply amazing! And I love those dynamic poses

Beautiful horses