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Bowhead Whale
Country/State : Canada Age : 47 Joined : 2012-01-31 Posts : 2623
| Subject: Show Us Yours: Coleoptera! Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:40 pm | |
| [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Alright, our SUY of September 2019 is on! And to start it, what is better than a beautiful picture of nature of September in the province of Québec? |
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Bowhead Whale
Country/State : Canada Age : 47 Joined : 2012-01-31 Posts : 2623
| Subject: Re: Show Us Yours: Coleoptera! Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:44 pm | |
| [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Made in China LUCANUS CERVUS[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Made in China COPRIS LUNARIS[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Made in China ALLOMYRINA DICHOTOMAAll those three insects are from the same toyline.
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bmathison1972
Country/State : Salt Lake City, UT Age : 51 Joined : 2010-04-13 Posts : 6229
| Subject: Re: Show Us Yours: Coleoptera! Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:55 pm | |
| - Bowhead Whale wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Made in China ORYCTES NASICORNIS
This figure was clearly modeled after something in the subfamily Coprinae, and is not O. nasicornis. |
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Bowhead Whale
Country/State : Canada Age : 47 Joined : 2012-01-31 Posts : 2623
| Subject: Re: Show Us Yours: Coleoptera! Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:01 pm | |
| And here are four figures from a different line, just marked "CE 1979": [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Spotted LUCANUS CERVUS[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Brown LUCANUS CERVUS[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Blue MELOLONTHINAE [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Purple CARAB (This is what it looks like to me)
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Bowhead Whale
Country/State : Canada Age : 47 Joined : 2012-01-31 Posts : 2623
| Subject: Re: Show Us Yours: Coleoptera! Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:04 pm | |
| - bmathison1972 wrote:
- Bowhead Whale wrote:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Made in China ORYCTES NASICORNIS
This figure was clearly modeled after something in the subfamily Coprinae, and is not O. nasicornis. I reidentified it as COPRIS LUNARIS. Am I closer? |
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bmathison1972
Country/State : Salt Lake City, UT Age : 51 Joined : 2010-04-13 Posts : 6229
| Subject: Re: Show Us Yours: Coleoptera! Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:37 pm | |
| Copris is more likely but probably you won't get a species-name on this. Coprinae, gen. sp. probably best |
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Bowhead Whale
Country/State : Canada Age : 47 Joined : 2012-01-31 Posts : 2623
| Subject: Re: Show Us Yours: Coleoptera! Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:42 pm | |
| - bmathison1972 wrote:
- Copris is more likely but probably you won't get a species-name on this. Coprinae, gen. sp. probably best
Copris Lunaris has a horn… this is why I thought it was the closest to my model. |
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Pardofelis
Country/State : Spain Age : 39 Joined : 2019-01-12 Posts : 2144
| Subject: Re: Show Us Yours: Coleoptera! Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:00 pm | |
| Coprinae is a subfamily with lots of genus and tons of species, all of them have a horn in the front in males. So it's likely to suppose than an invented figurine of a generic antelope has to be a water buffalo just because it have two horns Also, the antennae of the "ladybug" are modeled clearly after a Melolonthidae, probably Polyphylla sp (tought the body and leg shape are wrong, and obviously the colours too) The shape of the Carabidae reminds me a Calosoma, tough of course it don't pretend to be realistic The second and third Lucanus cervus are probably made after some species of Prosopocoilus. _________________ My collection:- (Details):
Homemade: 106 CollectA: 54 Colorata: 31 Safari LTD: 29 Schleich: 20 Papo: 16 Kaiyodo: 13 Mojo Fun: 8 Ikimon/Kitan Club: 6 Southland Replicas: 6 Bullyland: 4 PNSO: 3 CBIOV: 2 Eikoh: 2 Yujin: 2 Takara Tomy:1 Nayab: 1 Happy Kin: 1 Natural History: 1 Science & Nature: 1
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bmathison1972
Country/State : Salt Lake City, UT Age : 51 Joined : 2010-04-13 Posts : 6229
| Subject: Re: Show Us Yours: Coleoptera! Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:07 pm | |
| - Pardofelis wrote:
- Coprinae is a subfamily with lots of genus and tons of species, all of them have a horn in the front in males. So it's likely to suppose than an invented figurine of a generic antelope has to be a water buffalo just because it have two horns
Also, the antennae of the "ladybug" are modeled clearly after a Melolonthidae, probably Polyphylla sp (tought the body and leg shape are wrong, and obviously the colours too)
The shape of the Carabidae reminds me a Calosoma, tough of course it don't pretend to be realistic
The second and third Lucanus cervus are probably made after some species of Prosopocoilus. I agree the 'ladybug' is a melolonthine. The carabid doesn't look like a Calosoma; looks like something in the large Harpalitae-complex. Too generic to say for sure. The lucanid definately has the head sculpted as a Lucanus, but again it's generic. These are ALL generic. Putting names on any of them is futile, except for the A. dichotoma, only because it has a very specific morphology. |
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Bowhead Whale
Country/State : Canada Age : 47 Joined : 2012-01-31 Posts : 2623
| Subject: Re: Show Us Yours: Coleoptera! Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:27 pm | |
| Just one question: what made you think the rhino insect was a COPRINAE and not an ORYCTES? I looked at a lot of pictures and I don't clearly see the difference… Except that Copris have thicker legs, but the makers of the toy could have made thick legs to an Oryctes to make it less easily breakable. So? I'm curious… Look, the toy being a Copris instead of an Oryctes doesn't change much to me, but I'm still curious... |
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Pardofelis
Country/State : Spain Age : 39 Joined : 2019-01-12 Posts : 2144
| Subject: Re: Show Us Yours: Coleoptera! Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:47 pm | |
| - bmathison1972 wrote:
The carabid doesn't look like a Calosoma; looks like something in the large Harpalitae-complex. Too generic to say for sure. Examples of Calosoma: [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]The toy beetle: [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Generic Harpalinae: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]Harpalines are a big subfamily with wide variation in body shape, but generally they tend to be much more "cylindrical". Besides that, they're small and not much striking, so I doubt that any toy company pay attention to them. Calosoma are big, and have the same shape than the toy. Calosoma, besides being big, beautiful and striking, also are extremelly well known, even out of entomological circles, for other reasons than physical appareance. Calosoma is very likely to have made into a toy. But it's equally probable that the model has not been made after a Calosoma, but only pretend to be a generic beetle, or a generic carabid beetle at best. - bmathison1972 wrote:
- The lucanid definately has the head sculpted as a Lucanus, but again it's generic.
Probably you're right. I was not looking at the head, I've just saw the wrong shape and proportions of the mandibles for being a Lucanus, more coincident with other genus. But yes, the head is from a Lucanus. - Bowhead Whale wrote:
- Just one question: what made you think the rhino insect was a COPRINAE and not an ORYCTES? I looked at a lot of pictures and I don't clearly see the difference… Except that Copris have thicker legs, but the makers of the toy could have made thick legs to an Oryctes to make it less easily breakable. So? I'm curious… Look, the toy being a Copris instead of an Oryctes doesn't change much to me, but I'm still curious...
Again, it's a Coprinae, not necessarily a Copris. About your question, is very patent that the model was made after a Coprinae and not a Dynastidae like Oryctes. The very convex, almost globose body, the short elytra, the clearly marked elytral striae, the pronotal sculpture, the very characteristic flat and wide clypeus (the most definite character), etc etc... all are well one in this figure, that don't looks like a much an elongated Oryctes with plain elytra, no clypeal expansion and different pronotal projections: Examples of Coprinae: [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Your beetle: [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Oryctes nasicornis: [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]_________________ My collection:- (Details):
Homemade: 106 CollectA: 54 Colorata: 31 Safari LTD: 29 Schleich: 20 Papo: 16 Kaiyodo: 13 Mojo Fun: 8 Ikimon/Kitan Club: 6 Southland Replicas: 6 Bullyland: 4 PNSO: 3 CBIOV: 2 Eikoh: 2 Yujin: 2 Takara Tomy:1 Nayab: 1 Happy Kin: 1 Natural History: 1 Science & Nature: 1
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widukind
Country/State : Germany Age : 48 Joined : 2010-12-30 Posts : 44299
| Subject: Re: Show Us Yours: Coleoptera! Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:57 am | |
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lucky luke
Country/State : FRANCE Saint-Louis Age : 62 Joined : 2010-07-17 Posts : 5997
| Subject: Re: Show Us Yours: Coleoptera! Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:05 pm | |
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Bowhead Whale
Country/State : Canada Age : 47 Joined : 2012-01-31 Posts : 2623
| Subject: Re: Show Us Yours: Coleoptera! Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:51 pm | |
| NOW I SEE IT!!! Thank you for your explanations.
Still, although you all proved being very well documented on Coleoptera, nobody here has proven he/she had Coleoptera toys to show here. To be honest, when I opened this topic, I expected a little less discussion and a little more toys. So? Anyone else here has Coleoptera toy figures? I would be extremely surprised to learn I'm the only one here to own any... |
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widukind
Country/State : Germany Age : 48 Joined : 2010-12-30 Posts : 44299
| Subject: Re: Show Us Yours: Coleoptera! Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:23 pm | |
| I dont know if all figures are right. I have only a very very small knowledge because i am not interest in crawlers. Here are mine [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] |
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landrover
Country/State : colombia Age : 66 Joined : 2010-11-04 Posts : 5732
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widukind
Country/State : Germany Age : 48 Joined : 2010-12-30 Posts : 44299
| Subject: Re: Show Us Yours: Coleoptera! Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:13 pm | |
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Bowhead Whale
Country/State : Canada Age : 47 Joined : 2012-01-31 Posts : 2623
| Subject: Re: Show Us Yours: Coleoptera! Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:57 pm | |
| - widukind wrote:
- I dont know if all figures are right. I have only a very very small knowledge because i am not interest in crawlers.
Here are mine
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Wow! That.s quite an impressive gathering! |
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Bowhead Whale
Country/State : Canada Age : 47 Joined : 2012-01-31 Posts : 2623
| Subject: Re: Show Us Yours: Coleoptera! Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:31 pm | |
| OK. At the high risk of making BMathison72 laugh his heart out, I started to make Coleoptera figures of my own. OK, they are made with wood, with legs and antennas made with nails, and sculpted in vvveeeeeeerrrrryyyy generic shapes. It's the paint job that mostly says what species is represented. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Desmocerus palliatus[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Anthophylax cyanaeus[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]Anatis mali |
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Bowhead Whale
Country/State : Canada Age : 47 Joined : 2012-01-31 Posts : 2623
| Subject: Re: Show Us Yours: Coleoptera! Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:18 pm | |
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Bowhead Whale
Country/State : Canada Age : 47 Joined : 2012-01-31 Posts : 2623
| Subject: Re: Show Us Yours: Coleoptera! Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:30 pm | |
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bmathison1972
Country/State : Salt Lake City, UT Age : 51 Joined : 2010-04-13 Posts : 6229
| Subject: Re: Show Us Yours: Coleoptera! Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:27 pm | |
| I will contribute to this topic soon. My responsibilities with the Animal Toy Blog and personal stuff has occupied much of my time. |
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Bowhead Whale
Country/State : Canada Age : 47 Joined : 2012-01-31 Posts : 2623
| Subject: Re: Show Us Yours: Coleoptera! Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:07 pm | |
| [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]LEBIA VITTATAAs you can see, the stripes are not that accurate; but the picture I had in the book was small, so I didn't see the exact details. It's only now, on the internet, that I see that there are pale areas between the black stripes of the shell of the insect... [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]CRIOCERA ASPARAGI |
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Pardofelis
Country/State : Spain Age : 39 Joined : 2019-01-12 Posts : 2144
| Subject: Re: Show Us Yours: Coleoptera! Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:41 pm | |
| Homemade goliath beetle at about 1:10 scale [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]_________________ My collection:- (Details):
Homemade: 106 CollectA: 54 Colorata: 31 Safari LTD: 29 Schleich: 20 Papo: 16 Kaiyodo: 13 Mojo Fun: 8 Ikimon/Kitan Club: 6 Southland Replicas: 6 Bullyland: 4 PNSO: 3 CBIOV: 2 Eikoh: 2 Yujin: 2 Takara Tomy:1 Nayab: 1 Happy Kin: 1 Natural History: 1 Science & Nature: 1
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widukind
Country/State : Germany Age : 48 Joined : 2010-12-30 Posts : 44299
| Subject: Re: Show Us Yours: Coleoptera! Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:20 am | |
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