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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:46 pm

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I expect that in the future there will be a more accurate book available and it will be HUGE! Of course not every Schleich item that has been made is in the book. I just saw on ebay.com a toy set called "Yakari" new in box (course the box is aged) as a Buy it Now. It is out of Australia but they will ship anywhere. For you die hard collectors that are missing only a few items is this one you are missing? Also the babies aren't in the catalogue either. It is nice to have some idea as to what is out there though. Happy hunting! :)

Hello Suebeedo. I believe the Yakari horse is a cartoon-based figurine, and if memory serves, there is a Yakari eagle, as well. They are nice figures, as is the 1983 Regina Regenbocker (sp?) "Sternschnuppe" which is a beautiful fantasy horse figurine. There is also the lovely "Erika" the cartoon giraffe series done for Merck Corp. When you see the entire line, you realize that "Erika" is the closest thing to a true "renaissance (wo)man" since Leo da Vinci himself!

The babies are de kleinen Minis, I believe, so I'm surprised they weren't in the Gascher's Guide, although on second thought, maybe I'm not really surprised..... Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:39 pm

I have seen some episodes from Yakari!I remember many animals he talked to:
eagle,bear,wolves,beavers,elks,mountain goats.
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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:07 am

The family Strassberger from [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] helped to realize the Gaschers Guide.
Maybe it would be better to consult more great Schleich collectors indeed, like Torben...
And i think, there are more big collectors on the forum here, that could give usefull information in this field.

Schleich made many comic figurines indeed, and the family Strassberger shows many of them on their site.
There is also the dog named "Wum", with his elephant friend "Wendelin", which always appeared in a saturday-night show/quiz, and talked to the showmaster Wim Thoelke in the 1970's.
He was a very funny dog with all kinds of "dry" comments.

The babies are from "Die Kleinen" (The little ones) indeed, another series, next to the big Mini series.
I had one of him too in the past

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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:16 pm

The other benefit of the Gascher guide for me is that it is in two languages. English (which of course I know :)) and German which I don't know. The benefit you ask? Now I can go to ebay.de and put in the German words for a figure and find it! But I am at a loss after that as I don't understand anything on the sellers page, be it description or if they will ship to USA confused a definite language barrier there... Now I need a German to English translation book study to help me. Actually I think there may be a translation site online. Just got to find it! ~Ah...it is German right? Embarassed Sue
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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:21 pm

Hi Sue. Look on the to of your screen on the browser and see where it says "Page". If you click on that, there is a button that says "Google Translate", or at least mine has it and it helps a lot. Mine also has a "Translate" button at the top next to my Google search box. This translates the whole page into English. Hope this helps.
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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:40 am

Hi Sue...
Otherwise you can PM me or mail me for translations, as i speak many languages if you need any help... :)

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PostSubject: Schleich Collectors Guide   Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:17 pm

Does anyone have this book? Is it worth getting also I noticed its not very big at all I was hoping it was as big as my Breyer Collectors guide its 8.5 in x 11 in.
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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:29 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:58 pm

The Schleich Collectors Guide is a great Book and a Musthave for every true Schleich collector, I can highly recommend it. Very Happy

Its now three years old and I hope, they will publish a new, updated edition next year.
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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:00 pm

Is the size only 5in x 8in?
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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:03 pm

Its 7 in x 10 inches.
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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:28 pm

It is riddled with misinformation. With all due respect, I believe it's a waste of money.
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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:36 pm

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It is riddled with misinformation. With all due respect, I believe it's a waste of money.

I know there are good website references for pictures, years made and a few variations but is there one that has kind of what the value is on them? I know with the Breyer horses its hard to say it all depends on the demand for a certain model
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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:43 pm

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It is riddled with misinformation. With all due respect, I believe it's a waste of money.

I know there are good website references for pictures, years made and a few variations but is there one that has kind of what the value is on them? I know with the Breyer horses its hard to say it all depends on the demand for a certain model

The price quotations in the Schleich Guide are horribly inaccurate. Please ignore them. There is no reference online or in text for typical market prices for Schleich rarities. If you have a question about a specific figurine, you're welcome to PM me and I'll tell you what it's worth on eBay.de, as I follow every Schleich auction there, and have for three years.
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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:25 pm

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It is riddled with misinformation. With all due respect, I believe it's a waste of money.

The prices are app 5 - 6 years old, so as Phil says they are worthless.
Also dates and sizes are wrong for many of the Classics ( which is not complete), and several pictures are mirrored.
Variants are lacking, and, and.... Twisted Evil

All that said, it is a wonderful book in my humble opinion Rolling Eyes
Sorry, Phil, I know you think it is ok to disagree Wink

I have already worn one almost to shreds and filled it with notes, comments, links etc Wink
I can recommend to get it in English/German, - I use it as a fast dictionary also.

The book was - as the author says in the intro - made by people who collect Smurfs. I think they made a wonderful job.
In the intro they invite comments and ideas for improvements, which I respect a lot, and I know they were FLOODED with mails.
So I am sure the next edition will be much better, - if somebody else doesn`t beat them and make a completely other one with the really old models as well scratch

PS, I have seen they have begun to sell retired Bullyland-figures now. Perhaps they will make a collector`s guide for Bullyland Shocked bounce cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:24 pm

I dislike greatly the tendency to put actual prices figures in collectors' guides. Prices are always in flux, depending on the economy and popularity, and who's on ebay at the moment, and who forgot to bid, or who has sudden vet bills at the moment, or who decided to sell their entire collection at once and flooded the market. I've seen Breyer models on ebay sell for $500 one week and the same thing a few weeks later $200. The only thing the prices in guidebooks do is give the uneducated inflated ideas of value.
i believe it would be less misleading if guides instead gave relative ratings, such as:
current or recently retired [to allow for a model's being retired before the next edition comes out] = current retail prices
retired but common or not in demand = cheap, often below retail for current models
rare but not in demand [for example a special variation of a not popular model] = can vary from far below retail to retail
rare = above retail
highly desirable = far above retail
highest desirable = you will pay very high prices, if you can even find one for sale

This system would work for model horse brands i know the best (Breyers, HR, Hartland). i don't know how it would work for Schleich etc, but it makes more sense to me than model ABC is worth X$.

And of course, in a couple years, any ratings can be made obsolete by retirements, changes in taste, and the economy, but at least relative value is less likely to change than actual prices.

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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:28 pm

From my experience with Model horses once you get familiar with the hobby you pretty much know how much something will go for and yes it is kind of pointless to put value in a book that is going to be outdated in a year or so unless you plan on putting one out every year.
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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:04 pm

I agree with Phil, that this so called collectors guide, is worthless in the first place, specially for experienced collectors, which do have more knowledge on Schleich then this catalogue shows... Laughing
But for a collector who is just starting it is ok, but forget about the prices! Wink
I hope they bring out a better version soon, with the prices as "about"... Rolling Eyes
A Bullyland guide would be wishfull to, same for other bigger brands! cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:11 pm

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From my experience with Model horses once you get familiar with the hobby you pretty much know how much something will go for and yes it is kind of pointless to put value in a book that is going to be outdated in a year or so unless you plan on putting one out every year.
Absolutely. When you're in an antique store and you see a $100 price tag on a scratched up crummy Breyer, you know someone who doesn't know doodly about Breyers got a peek at one of those books! It seems whenever i pick up a model out of sheer curiosity at the price, someone starts telling me about how rare and valuable it is b/c it's a Breyer; even when you tell them exactly which model it is, and when it was released and for how long, they're still sure it must be valuable because they saw in a book that Breyers are worth $$$$$$$.

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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:16 pm

Yeah, those books can do ugly things for your wallet, and specially the people who don't have a clue fall into this trap...
Although the retired and rare Schleichs are far more expensive then the guide tells us... Rolling Eyes

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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:31 pm

I know one thing that makes me crazy is when there is a very limited release of an item and some "so called collectors" buy alot of them and then turn around and sell them on Ebay......and then the rest of us that actually Enjoy the hobby can't get one at a decent price..... No
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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:44 pm

When you stay on this forum, you will have the news of special releases in time, and will be able to buy them for a normal price.... cheers
We do have all kinds of people here, and some of them do this to, and they have to live with it... Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:01 am

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I know one thing that makes me crazy is when there is a very limited release of an item and some "so called collectors" buy alot of them and then turn around and sell them on Ebay......and then the rest of us that actually Enjoy the hobby can't get one at a decent price..... No

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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:10 pm

I also hope , the variations of so many figures will be in the next edition of the Collectors guide, but I can't agree it is bad guidebook., only by missing the variations, "bad" pictures or the prices.

I'm collector of many other things for many years and I always have ignored the prices in this catalogues, they can guide give the collectores a little imagination of the worth of a figure, but don't forget, all the prices in the Schleich guide are only for figures in brand new condition with tag !

The critics here on that book are a little bit unfair, its the first guide for Schleich Animals, so give the publishers a chance, to wipe out the mistakes in the nexte dition !
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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:33 pm

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I also hope , the variations of so many figures will be in the next edition of the Collectors guide, but I can't agree it is bad guidebook., only by missing the variations, "bad" pictures or the prices.

I'm collector of many other things for many years and I always have ignored the prices in this catalogues, they can guide give the collectores a little imagination of the worth of a figure, but don't forget, all the prices in the Schleich guide are only for figures in brand new condition with tag !

The critics here on that book are a little bit unfair, its the first guide for Schleich Animals, so give the publishers a chance, to wipe out the mistakes in the nexte dition !

Hi, Bongo Very Happy sunny

I agree with you Wink
Also as I said, I use it for making notes, and that way it becomes more and more valuable for me .... I may not be the most experienced Schleich-collector, but also not quite "new". And I couldn`t live without that book, even if I know it almost by heart study
As somebody said..people wo do something, make mistakes. If you do nothing you don`t make mistakes ...or something to that effect geek

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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:56 pm

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I also hope , the variations of so many figures will be in the next edition of the Collectors guide, but I can't agree it is bad guidebook., only by missing the variations, "bad" pictures or the prices.

I'm collector of many other things for many years and I always have ignored the prices in this catalogues, they can guide give the collectores a little imagination of the worth of a figure, but don't forget, all the prices in the Schleich guide are only for figures in brand new condition with tag !

The critics here on that book are a little bit unfair, its the first guide for Schleich Animals, so give the publishers a chance, to wipe out the mistakes in the nexte dition !

It's rife with factual mistakes, even showing photos of figurines other than what it is indicated. Not to start an argument, but how is that acceptable? If you think that can be excused because it is the first attempt at a guide, then you have shockingly low standards. By the way, are you the author? Rolling Eyes

As for the valuations, first you say you ignore them, then you imply that they provide some sort of guidepost (with "imagination") and finish up by further implying that the condition (new with tag) assumed by the author has been ignored by the critics. As for the last point, the valuations are so wildly off that the condition of the figurine is completely irrelevant. As a matter of logic, a valuation that is a fraction of the true value of the figurine is simply far too low, so assuming that it is "new with tag" could not possibly explain the discrepancy.

What you see in this guide is a slapdash, hastily compiled attempt at a compendium, with little or no quality control process employed. But hey, other than that, it's brilliant...!

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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:18 pm

I'm not the author of the Schleich Collectors Guide, why should I ? Because I've said, it's not that bad, as a few people here said ?

Neither I have not low standards, the book isn't bad, but if you mean, it is abd, that isn't that meaing, i have low standards...but please name an example of a model shown, which isn't indicated as the correct model ?

Such things can happen, especially in the first version, and I'm sure, the makers will learn from the mistakes, they have done in the book. You can help them, so tell them by e-mail, whats wrong with the guidebook from your point of view...

I think, you have no idea, how difficult it is doing a colletors guide for such a big collectors theme like Schelich Animals, which is also a very young collectors theme ?

And yes, i'm still ignoring the prices in that guide, as you can see now, on Ebay many of the old animals were sold for totally diffrent prices.

So recently I've bought the Brown pelican for 40 Euros, but Gaschers, the Makers of the Collectors Guide, selling it for 140 Euro ! So whats the real price ?

I would never pay 140 Euro for the brown pelican, so its up to every collector, how much money he will pay for a Schleich Animal...
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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:41 pm

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I'm not the author of the Schleich Collectors Guide, why should I ? Because I've said, it's not that bad, as a few people here said ?

Neither I have not low standards, the book isn't bad, but if you mean, it is abd, that isn't that meaing, i have low standards...but please name an example of a model shown, which isn't indicated as the correct model ?

Such things can happen, especially in the first version, and I'm sure, the makers will learn from the mistakes, they have done in the book. You can help them, so tell them by e-mail, whats wrong with the guidebook from your point of view...

I think, you have no idea, how difficult it is doing a colletors guide for such a big collectors theme like Schelich Animals, which is also a very young collectors theme ?

And yes, i'm still ignoring the prices in that guide, as you can see now, on Ebay many of the old animals were sold for totally diffrent prices.

So recently I've bought the Brown pelican for 40 Euros, but Gaschers, the Makers of the Collectors Guide, selling it for 140 Euro ! So whats the real price ?

I would never pay 140 Euro for the brown pelican, so its up to every collector, how much money he will pay for a Schleich Animal...

As I wrote before, you have exceedingly low standards - you're willing to excuse any and all mistakes, evidently. This is published as a collector's guide, as the title indicates. Gascher's and the author, in doing so, set the standard for themselves, and failed to meet it. It's not my responsibility to correct their mistakes, that's up to them; after all, they're the ones making money off it. In the meantime, unsuspecting new collectors may be lured into thinking that the information they get from this guide can be relied on when making collecting decisions. That is scandalous, but you clearly don't give a hoot about that, as you are too busy and too obsessed with making excuses for the author and publisher of this book.

Do you think the photo of the 16066 is correct? Is the classics Panda duo in the correct section, or the wrong one? Pretty simple mistakes. Don't they even bother to proofread their own publication? Evidently not. Not much fact-checking going on here either. That is the sign of a flippant, uncaring attitude, much like yours... Razz

Difficult task? These are basic errors that many children wouldn't make. There are umpteen serious collectors here who could have, and would have, done a much better job than was actually done with this book.

Then, to top it all off, you infer that there really is no real price estimate for Schleich raritites. If you really believe that, then you couldn't possibly support the idea of publishing market value quotations, as they have done here. Can you not comprehend that?????

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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:42 pm

I kind of opened a can of worms on this one didn't I Embarassed Embarassed
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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:51 pm

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It's not your fault, Rusty. This is a guide that seems to indicate that the special beagle is worth 30 euros, if memory serves. They have been regularly auctioning (the real ones, not the repaints) for between 350-550 euros for some time now. So what is the point of publishing market value quotations that fledgling collectors will read and maybe take to heart? Any serious collector knows that these values can change and fluctuate wildly over even very short periods of time.
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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:52 pm

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I kind of opened a can of worms on this one didn't I Embarassed Embarassed

HELP ! I think you did Shocked pale
Phil, please affraid

I think it could be very interesting to get together and make a list of the comments/corrections/additions we have to the book Very Happy
Then we could turn this scary discussion into something constructive.
I think we all agree that the prices are misleading, but apart from that Very Happy

Phil, you mention the 16066, which one is that ?
I also think you have one of the old pandas 12650, I would very much like to hear more about it. It seeems they don`t really belong in the Vanishing Wild...or do they ? scratch

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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:10 pm

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I kind of opened a can of worms on this one didn't I Embarassed Embarassed

HELP ! I think you did Shocked pale
Phil, please affraid

I think it could be very interesting to get together and make a list of the comments/corrections/additions we have to the book Very Happy
Then we could turn this scary discussion into something constructive.
I think we all agree that the prices are misleading, but apart from that Very Happy

Phil, you mention the 16066, which one is that ?
I also think you have one of the old pandas 12650, I would very much like to hear more about it. It seeems they don`t really belong in the Vanishing Wild...or do they ? scratch


PLEASE, WHAT ??? If you have a problem with me, you're welcome to PM me or state it right here, right now... exclamation exclamation exclamation When this thread started, everyone made their commentaries, and kept them on subject. No one directed commentary to another, or even addressed another, until Bongo made his personalized criticism of those he disagreed with, by calling us "unfair." If you don't like the tone or content of subsequent exchanges, maybe you should keep that in mind... Evil or Very Mad I really resent your criticism singling me out, Susanne.

16066? It's a fremdserien shark figurine made by Maia y Borges. It's on Torben's site. It is M + B 16006.

I have both the 12650 classic pandas, and that is what they are, not "Vanishing Wild" as listed in you-know-where. That is why they have 12000 numbers. They were designed by Helmut Diller, and the seated one is a smaller version of the one you have with your 15006 WWF.
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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:48 pm

Hey come on you lot, we're all friends here. We have our different opinions, some of us don't agree with what others believe and feel. But we shouldn't take offence and start arguing about this, everyone is entitled to say how they feel about something.
Phil, of course Susanne doesn't have a problem with you and she wasn't singling you out either. She was only trying to cool things down a bit.

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PostSubject: Re: Gaschers Collectors Guide to Schleich Animals   Sat Oct 15, 2011 1:28 pm

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Hey come on you lot, we're all friends here. We have our different opinions, some of us don't agree with what others believe and feel.
Phil, of course Susanne doesn't have a problem with you and she wasn't singling you out either. She was only trying to cool things down a bit.

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