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PostSubject: The variation foal arrived!   Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:14 am

Maybe you remember my topic http://sts-forum.forumieren.de/t3066-nothing-important-just-wanted-to-comment

Well, the package has just arrived few minutes ago :) And inside it there were 2 amazing color variations ^^

First, the foal I wanted! The 13619 Knabstrupper foal in a darker coat. The one I already had is the foal on the left, the "new" one is the one on the right:






And the other variation, the 13650 quarter horse. Once again, the "new" one is the horse on the right. The difference is not as big as in the foals, but you can see that mine (the one on the left) is a chestnut varnish roan and my new one is more like a solid blanket bay:









I know many of you are not very used to horses coats and genetics, so I´m going to give some explanations in order to make you easier to see the differences: Varnish roan is kind of roan similar to "normal" roan, but normal roan is visible in all the body+neck, and varnish is deppending on the horse. Varnish roan only expresses if Leopard gene is present. It doesn´t mind if Leopard is active or not (which depends on some other genes combination), so we can see varnish roan in mottled and non-mottled horses. Another big dofference between roan and varnish roan is that a roan horse is born with the roan pattern and it doesn´t change along time whereas varnish acts more like gray, the foal is born without the varnish roan pattern and it appear and get louder when the horse ages.

So both Schleich horses have an appaloosa genotype Razz Ok, some pics as examples of what I said.

A pair of varnish roan on non-mottled horses (not showing Leopard):






Now, some roans:






And now, some solid blankets:









I hope I didn´t bored you so much!

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PostSubject: Re: The variation foal arrived!   Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:46 pm

Oh, I forgot to say: the horses I already had (foal and stallion on the left) are made in China, the "new" foal is made in Germany and the "new" stalion is made in Portugal :)

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PostSubject: Re: The variation foal arrived!   Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:45 pm

Oh I love the new foal colour variation! Wow, they are so different, super finds Silvia!! Thanks for the information on the colours too.
Congratulations! cheers And really nice that they're made in Germany and Portugal cheers

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PostSubject: Re: The variation foal arrived!   Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:22 pm

Thank you!

I thought it could be great to add some coat info to explain why the 2 quarters are so similar but different :)

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PostSubject: Re: The variation foal arrived!   Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:13 pm

What beautyful, exceptional variations cheers

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PostSubject: Re: The variation foal arrived!   Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:38 am

Haha, you horsegirls with your colourvariations and horsebreeds... Wink geek scratch
Congrats on your new variations Sylvia! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: The variation foal arrived!   Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:43 am

Great observation and lovely photos, Sylvia... cheers Quite a difference in the appearance of these two variants!

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PostSubject: Re: The variation foal arrived!   Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:46 am

Congratulations for your very wanted variations! Now we have a very happy Silvia again! Very Happy Ah, my favourite is the stalion made in Portugal because according with my Mom I also was made in Portugal! pale geek
Thanks for explaining these leopard things about horses! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: The variation foal arrived!   Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:03 am

Thank you guys!

@WILLYBACOMAN wrote:
Haha, you horsegirls with your colourvariations and horsebreeds... Wink geek scratch
Congrats on your new variations Sylvia! Very Happy

Horses are very interesting, they have so many variations theirselves!

Variations, variations! cheers


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PostSubject: Re: The variation foal arrived!   Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:22 am

Thanks Silvia for the explanation!
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PostSubject: Re: The variation foal arrived!   Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:30 am

Silvia, I know this does really not belong here, but bear with me Embarassed

Looking at horse colours more from a genetic point of view than a phaenotypic view, isn`t the name "Varnished roan" misleading, you think ? scratch

As you write, it does not stem from the Roan-locus, R, at all, but from the complex system of linked genes that can give the various appaloosa- or spotted colours.

The more interesting/dangerous for breeders because research show that there seems to be no homozygote true roans, - the R-gene is probably lethal if the foal gets it from both parents What a Face

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PostSubject: Re: The variation foal arrived!   Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:41 am

Well, names are sometimes a bit confusing!

How interesting about roan! I´ve read some articles and it seems to be true, but not sure. I supose that lethality could be related to linked genes instead of the roan itself. I´ll read more when I have a bit more time, I´m a bit late now xD

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PostSubject: Re: The variation foal arrived!   Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:22 pm

I realy like the darker foal better Very Happy

The "ordinary", lighter one, I always thought looked wierd, but the darker one look much better

congratz on getting it Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: The variation foal arrived!   Sat Sep 24, 2011 8:27 pm

Thanks! I also prefer the dark one ^^ It looks more realistic, doesn´t it?

Susanne, I´ve read about roan :) It really seems to be lethal, but breeders don´t notice that because the foal dies very soon inside the utero, even before knowing the mare is pregnant. Anyway, there are some breeds in what Roan gene can be homozygous, like in Belgian Drafts I think. In some other breeds there are no homozygote roan horses, but it´s like if it was a dominant gene, maybe because of different links with other genes.

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PostSubject: Re: The variation foal arrived!   Sun Sep 25, 2011 2:27 am

I have the right foal, too. Very Happy
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