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PostSubject: Purple under collect a paint?? why? :(    Wed 23 Nov 2011, 22:02

I have always wondered this so can some one tell me why Collect A horses (I dont own any other animals so I cant tell) are made with purple rubber? I dont know if its purple rubber there made with and painted over but most of my collect A horses have purple under there paint and the paint comes off so easy! it seems to be only the newer ones,my 2 Frisians and 2 appys are really bad for it. Its the only thing I hate about them,because when paint comes off schleich its brown/white or cream under it so it kinda looks natural/normal and blends in but with Collect A it is purple so it looks weird and I just dont understand why its like that? can some one inlighting me? :)
ps,on the Collect A thread you can kinda see purple on the back Shire mare..maybe the paint is just really thin or something? Surprised


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PostSubject: Re: Purple under collect a paint?? why? :(    Wed 23 Nov 2011, 22:17

It's probably because purple rubber or plastic is less expensive than white. If the figure is going to be painted over anyway, might as well use the less expensive material.
It's a basic production cost question. Until it turns out that it affects the quality enough to affect sales; then they'll go back to the more expensive material.

That's where the old Breyer "chalkies" came from. Oil prices made Breyer try different plastic formulas to lessen their cost of production, and a lot of the plastic was discolored. So they first painted them white, then the regular paint job.
Ironic that back in the day we all hated chalkies and now they command disturbingly high prices!

That's the story behind the Breyer "oozies" too: they used a different formula or had a bad batch, and now 20 years later the plastic is decaying and the models ooze oil. yuck.

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PostSubject: Re: Purple under collect a paint?? why? :(    Wed 23 Nov 2011, 22:44

Silvia, curiously only today, for the first time, I had some new CollectA horses in my hands! As you know the brand used for a long time a very hard and heavy plastic that was broking easily. They had many people complaining about their children safety and after 2010, I guess, they started with a new more rubber than plastic of this strange colour. Maybe Numaan can help you here? Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Purple under collect a paint?? why? :(    Wed 23 Nov 2011, 22:53

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Silvia, curiously only today, for the first time, I had some new CollectA horses in my hands!
psstttt you mean Emily Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Purple under collect a paint?? why? :(    Wed 23 Nov 2011, 23:09

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Silvia, curiously only today, for the first time, I had some new CollectA horses in my hands!
psstttt you mean Emily Wink

Oh, Embarassed thanks Harriet! I'm not very good with real horses, horse toys, horse avatars and also horse girls! Crying or Very sad Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Purple under collect a paint?? why? :(    Thu 24 Nov 2011, 07:54

Hmm, interesting scratch

You are probably right, Carolynne, it could be because of cost.
Very interesting about the old Breyers, plastic isn`t just plastic.

I have some grey garden chairs that I got cheap. There were some white ones also, but they cracked. It seems that the material that makes plastic white also makes it weaker and less resistant to sunlight sunny

Perhaps the purple platic is not only cheaper but also stronger, more flexible, or something ?
Or perhaps the purple base makes the painted colours look nicer ?
Does anyone remember the time when many old ladies had their gray/white hair rinsed with purple or blue ? Rolling Eyes

It is a good idea to ask CollectA. even if we may not get the right ansver if it is just for saving on costs Wink

Laughing Laughing I have to get one of those horses, I just have to see it. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Purple under collect a paint?? why? :(    Thu 24 Nov 2011, 13:09

Hum, I have the friesian and the appaloosas, and only the black ones seem to have purple base... my chestnut appy has a scratch on his ear and the rubbers seems to be very pale brown, nearly white. I also have the hannos, and have checked them... Both, chestnut and bay, haven´t got purple base. The chestnut one seems to also have a very pale brown plastic, and the bay one looks more yellowish.

My theory is that the rubber color is according to the coat the horse is going to have... Purple goes well with blacks, it gives deep and volume; and for ligt colors a light base is better. A yellowish base would give brightness to a bay coat.

But seeing the 2011 horses it´s different with them. Toroughbred mares seem to have light brown rubber, and golden Tennessee walker, white. But my tobiano Tennessee has a BIG scrath on one of his ears. and it looks like if the pale brown was a paint coat over the white rubber, before painitng the horse with the final coat. So I supose the pale brown seen on my toroughbreds could be the same... and even the purple base we can see on our black 2010 horses.


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PostSubject: Re: Purple under collect a paint?? why? :(    Thu 24 Nov 2011, 16:54

Hi Everyone

I have discussed this with CollectA and I can now clarify the situation in detail:

CollectA use a high quality plastic resin for all their model horses. However where a horse model has a lifted leg then a different rubber based resin needs to be used - this rubber is slightly more expensive than the usual plastic not cheaper. The downside is that the rubber is lighter in weight and due to the nature of rubber the paint would chip off slightly easier than the usual resin which is used. However the rubber has to be used in a model where it is to stand on three legs - this is another more complex reasoning behind it which I am unable to go into now.

So in summary the 'purple' horses are made from a more expensive rubber material and all paints are safe, non toxic and adhere to very high standards. The rubber is actually a white colour not purple - the purple is just a colour coating sprayed on and is underneath the main colouring of the model. Hence when the paint chips off some of the purple under layer shows up and you would think the entire plastic is made from purple but it is not.

The rubber has to be used on a horse where one leg is lifted off the ground as the general resin used will not work in these models. The rubber is in fact twice the price of the usual resin but CollectA absorb the cost and do not pass it on to us hence why the prices are really competitive. There have not been any major complaints or issues regarding this or any paint issue.

However CollectA have been aware of the paint 'rubbing off easily' issue for some time and as a consequence will not be using the rubber much in future models. You will notice that almost all of the new models have all feet firmly on the ground and it means that the usual high quality plastic resin can be used instead of the rubber. CollectA has its own team of in-house sculptors who have been made aware these issues and have been advised to produce most models with all feet touching the ground.

I hope this clarifies the issues.

Where else can we get swift and direct answers from a major brand? I am impressed with their dedication and commitment to not only pleasing their main buyers but us collectors as well. With hands on all areas of production from design to wholesale CollectA are able to make necessary changes following feedback from consumers swiftly whereas another brand (in my opinion) could or would not.


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PostSubject: Re: Purple under collect a paint?? why? :(    Thu 24 Nov 2011, 17:24

Great, wonderful cheers

Thankyou Numaan, and please pass my regards to CollectA Very Happy
And tell them that we are very happy that they take such problems very seriously.

Yes, I know well that palstic is not just plastic, and that just f.inst. a colour-powder added to a plastic can seriously change the properties of the stuff.

It is very important to get this right.
The first CollectAs I got were in an awful state, so it took a lot of time and many nice models ( and some wonderful models from Roger) to persuade me they are ok now. Wink Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Purple under collect a paint?? why? :(    Thu 24 Nov 2011, 17:31

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The rubber has to be used on a horse where one leg is lifted off the ground as the general resin used will not work in these models.
Why it won't work? There are bigger models made of resin (which are quite heavy) which don't stand on all four legs.
It sounds quite strange to me.

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PostSubject: Re: Purple under collect a paint?? why? :(    Thu 24 Nov 2011, 17:40

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The rubber has to be used on a horse where one leg is lifted off the ground as the general resin used will not work in these models.
Why it won't work? There are bigger models made of resin (which are quite heavy) which don't stand on all four legs.
It sounds quite strange to me.

It doesn´t make too much sense to me neither... Newest horses are made of a very soft rubber, and some od them have only 3 legs on the floor (even some of them have 3 blended legs on the floor, which is less strong to stand the horse); I can´t understand why a harder plastic or whatever the material is called) can´t stand the model.

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PostSubject: Re: Purple under collect a paint?? why? :(    Thu 24 Nov 2011, 18:01

I think that is the point, a hard material as resin can break and make sharp edges that can hurt playing children.
Toys are - as far as I know - not made from resin Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Purple under collect a paint?? why? :(    Thu 24 Nov 2011, 19:07

Not all types of resin is stone-hard and easily breakable. I've been told that vast majority of stiff sythetic materials used nowadays (including what we often call "plastic") is a type of resin.

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PostSubject: Re: Purple under collect a paint?? why? :(    Thu 24 Nov 2011, 19:12

very interesting Naumann. i hope it didn't sound like i was criticizing or calling them cheap: it makes perfect sense for a company to use less expensive materials if it doesn't make a difference in quality.

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The rubber has to be used on a horse where one leg is lifted off the ground as the general resin used will not work in these models.
Why it won't work? There are bigger models made of resin (which are quite heavy) which don't stand on all four legs.
It sounds quite strange to me.
i expect the answer is physics, chemistry and market realities: balance, mass, chemical bond strength, materials cost, etc.
I know a lot of artist's resins have metal posts in their legs to help support them. i've seen some resins in crazy poses that i think must have metal armatures to stay up.

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PostSubject: Re: Purple under collect a paint?? why? :(    Thu 24 Nov 2011, 19:24

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i expect the answer is physics, chemistry and market realities: balance, mass, chemical bond strength, materials cost, etc.
I know a lot of artist's resins have metal posts in their legs to help support them. i've seen some resins in crazy poses that i think must have metal armatures to stay up.
I didn't know that, I thought it's just the matter of well-balanced model. That explains a lot, I have no more questions Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Purple under collect a paint?? why? :(    Thu 24 Nov 2011, 19:34

Thanks Numaan, it is nice when brands talk with us directly and we should feel pleased and try to understand their decisions! Unless 2 brands are very kind in this point and I hope more will follow the same steps! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Purple under collect a paint?? why? :(    Thu 24 Nov 2011, 21:51

Well, some horses sculptures do have a metal armature inside, but that´s when they are made of clay. If they are made of resin they don´t have that metal armature; the horse is balanced itself. I did so with my last sculpture, the made-of-clay original has a metal skeleton, but not the resin copies :)

And yes, there are many types of resin! I went crazy to choose mine, and the shop only had a few!

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PostSubject: Re: Purple under collect a paint?? why? :(    Thu 24 Nov 2011, 23:00

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i expect the answer is physics, chemistry and market realities: balance, mass, chemical bond strength, materials cost, etc.
I know a lot of artist's resins have metal posts in their legs to help support them. i've seen some resins in crazy poses that i think must have metal armatures to stay up.

Yes it is something to do with the physics side of things which I cant explain until I fully understand myself but with a large brand like CollectA they do know what they are talking about.

Sorry they dont use a cheaper material, what I mean to say is all the models are made of one type of plastic which costs x amount. However to produce a horse model with one leg lifted off the floor a rubber based material has to be used which is actually white and which is more expensive than the standard material they use. CollectA are not worried about the cost because then you have a mixture of plastic models and rubber based horse models all sold at the same price so CollectA absorbs the cost. However the downside to using the rubber based material is that it is light weight and the paint does not adhere to the model as well as it would with the standard material used so therefore CollectA do not want to compromise on quality and have reduced the number of '3 legged' horses as such in order to keep the quality and standard high and produce animals in the better plastic. I had this all explained to me earlier in the year when discussing antelopes with them. I wanted some of the new antelopes to have a lifted leg but it was difficult.

Strict dafety rules and standards have also got to be worked with and hence the seriousness CollectA take when dealing with such matters.

Remember there are hundreds of different types of resin, plastics and rubber used by toy companies throughout the world so CollectA make do with the best that they can get in their location in China and Hong Kong and of course in reason with costs. It is not about using the cheapest plastic otherwise the overall quality will be very poor.

I hope that clarifies Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Purple under collect a paint?? why? :(    Fri 25 Nov 2011, 06:36

I supose it does clarifiy something, but I still can´t understand very well why a softer matherial is chosen to do a "3-legs-on-the-floor" model instead of harder matherials like other brands (and considering other brands don´t do bad models, and the paint doesn´t get off the model easily).

Anyway... it´s not something that worries me a lot. Only because I don´t like soft and blendable horses :)

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PostSubject: Re: Purple under collect a paint?? why? :(    Wed 07 Dec 2011, 00:06

Thanks everyone for the replies! :) I understand more so now! Very Happy
the purple is fine...I just wish the paint did not come off so EASY! Rolling Eyes Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Purple under collect a paint?? why? :(    Wed 07 Dec 2011, 00:08

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Hum, I have the friesian and the appaloosas, and only the black ones seem to have purple base... my chestnut appy has a scratch on his ear and the rubbers seems to be very pale brown, nearly white. I also have the hannos, and have checked them... Both, chestnut and bay, haven´t got purple base. The chestnut one seems to also have a very pale brown plastic, and the bay one looks more yellowish.


both my figures appys have the purple under them because both have rubbed tails (not sure how it happend Rolling Eyes ) and the purple is under them,I can post pictures when I get home so you guys can see it better. :)

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