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PostSubject: papo 2012 caiman or baby Croc ?   Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:50 am

i think it is a caiman

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PostSubject: Re: papo 2012 caiman or baby Croc ?   Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:53 am

Not sure what your talking about, I only know of a white croc, white croc baby and croc baby.

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PostSubject: Re: papo 2012 caiman or baby Croc ?   Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:12 pm

the croc baby looks like caiman.i thought it is a caiman species released
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PostSubject: Re: papo 2012 caiman or baby Croc ?   Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:19 pm

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the croc baby looks like caiman.i thought it is a caiman species released

I'm pretty sure the two smaller crocodiles are caiman's. The one looks like a spectacled caiman to me.
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PostSubject: Re: papo 2012 caiman or baby Croc ?   Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:49 pm

yes orcagirl the animal is caiman.i had atleast one member to support.
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PostSubject: Re: papo 2012 caiman or baby Croc ?   Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:13 pm

That's what I thought when I first saw it.

We used to sell caimans at the petshop many years ago. Mean little things they are! Twisted Evil

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PostSubject: Re: papo 2012 caiman or baby Croc ?   Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:43 pm

wow u touched them.unbeliavable
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PostSubject: Re: papo 2012 caiman or baby Croc ?   Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:46 pm

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wow u touched them.unbeliavable

Heck no I never touched them. If I remember correctly they were always handled carefully with very thick gloves. And by someone other than myself. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: papo 2012 caiman or baby Croc ?   Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:55 pm

I am 100% sure they are intended to be croc babies. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: papo 2012 caiman or baby Croc ?   Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:35 pm

I totally agree with you. It looks like the smaller cayman species.
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i think it is a caiman

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PostSubject: Re: papo 2012 caiman or baby Croc ?   Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:11 pm

I'm 100% sure that it's a caiman.


Papo's 2012 caiman:

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Spectacled caiman:

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The snout on the Papo figure is too short to be a crocodile:

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PostSubject: Re: papo 2012 caiman or baby Croc ?   Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:28 pm

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yes orcagirl the animal is caiman.i had atleast one member to support.


You're welcome, at least someone is paying attention Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: papo 2012 caiman or baby Croc ?   Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:58 pm

I totally agree with you. This particular specie is called by us, brazilians, yellow-gorged cayman.
[quote="orcagirl26"]I'm 100% sure that it's a caiman.



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PostSubject: Re: papo 2012 caiman or baby Croc ?   Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:58 am

I agree on the cayman to, it was my first thought to... Rolling Eyes

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PostSubject: Re: papo 2012 caiman or baby Croc ?   Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:25 am

Problem is: caimans are never albino(as far as I know). question
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PostSubject: Re: papo 2012 caiman or baby Croc ?   Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:29 am

I checked the spelling in the brochure once again, and the baby has the same name as the adult, meaning it is a Nile crocodile.
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PostSubject: Re: papo 2012 caiman or baby Croc ?   Thu Dec 29, 2011 11:45 am

confused scratch scratch scratch

Well, sunny Feel free to use the young croc as a caïman cheers drunken

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PostSubject: Re: papo 2012 caiman or baby Croc ?   Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:35 pm

although i dont know the language written there,it seems to be written as baby croc.but to naked eye it resembles caiman.this is not good if they market it as croc as the figurine looks good for a caiman but badly named.same case as the juvenile lioness with testicles.i dont know what they have named the zebroid.in my opinion it is pathetic idea do introduce come kind of crossbreed in wildlife in a time where many great species r available for selection.
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PostSubject: Re: papo 2012 caiman or baby Croc ?   Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:25 pm

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although i dont know the language written there,it seems to be written as baby croc.but to naked eye it resembles caiman.this is not good if they market it as croc as the figurine looks good for a caiman but badly named.same case as the juvenile lioness with testicles.i dont know what they have named the zebroid.in my opinion it is pathetic idea do introduce come kind of crossbreed in wildlife in a time where many great species r available for selection.

I agree that the baby croc looks dead on for a caiman. It would be nice if Papo would rename it as such, but Papo doesn't seem to be as "educationally oriented' as many of the other companies are. I could be wrong, but at least with their dinosaurs, there seems to be little attention paid to accuracy or educational value - that's not to say they aren't totally awesome figures :) ! Just not very accurate. There are exceptions - like the Styracoscaurus and Pachyrhinosaurus - but overall, accuracy is lacking. In the wildlife, their figures are often strikingly beautiful, and in a lot of cases very realistic; however, I don't know if, as a company, they really care about whether or not they are representing the diversity of life accurately. If it means more sales to market a caiman as a baby crocodile, I think that's exactly what they will do. Those who know the difference will see the difference, and will respect the effort. Those that do not know the difference will be none the wiser. Perhaps there is a disconnect between the sculptors and the marketing execs at Papo?

As for the Quagga / Zebroid / whatever-it-is, it doesn't look like anything I'm familiar with. Not that I know every wild animal on earth, but that thing looks like they were trying for something and missed the mark. Guess we'll find out soon enough, but it looks hinkey to me.
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PostSubject: Re: papo 2012 caiman or baby Croc ?   Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:36 am

I wouldn't be to sure about that Mihnea, as every animal can have albino's... Rolling Eyes
Maybe they never appear, but possible is another story... Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: papo 2012 caiman or baby Croc ?   Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:16 am

Are these in fact albinos? I can't see the eyes to tell if they are pink. To me, it looks like Papo is making leucistic crocodiles, which I can't say do or do not exist. White American alligators are known from the Mississippi River / Louisiana bayous, but they are not albinos - they are leucistic and have blue eyes. I've never heard of Nile Crocs exhibiting this coloration, & would imagine that any amount of leucisim or albinism would be detrimental since the animals are susceptible to sunburn. The only known White Alligators are from very deep swamps, with limited exposure to direct sun. Aren't there Nile Crocodiles in caves on Madagascar? Perhaps they are white/albino?

Can anyone see the eyes of the Papo figure well enough to tell if they are pink? If they are, then Papo's figure is an albino.
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PostSubject: Re: papo 2012 caiman or baby Croc ?   Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:34 pm

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I also don't believe it's a "baby nile croc"
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PostSubject: Re: papo 2012 caiman or baby Croc ?   Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:03 pm

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Are these in fact albinos? I can't see the eyes to tell if they are pink. To me, it looks like Papo is making leucistic crocodiles, which I can't say do or do not exist. White American alligators are known from the Mississippi River / Louisiana bayous, but they are not albinos - they are leucistic and have blue eyes. I've never heard of Nile Crocs exhibiting this coloration, & would imagine that any amount of leucisim or albinism would be detrimental since the animals are susceptible to sunburn. The only known White Alligators are from very deep swamps, with limited exposure to direct sun. Aren't there Nile Crocodiles in caves on Madagascar? Perhaps they are white/albino?

Can anyone see the eyes of the Papo figure well enough to tell if they are pink? If they are, then Papo's figure is an albino.

Ok - to answer my own question, and for anyone else interested: White Nile Crocodiles do in fact exist. BUT - they are NOT albino. They generally have a yellowish/goldish cast to them and their eyes are either golden yellow, brown, or, like the White American Alligators, pale blue. So Papo's "new" croc likely has eyes that are one of these colors, not pink (as would be seen in an albino).
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PostSubject: Re: papo 2012 caiman or baby Croc ?   Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:33 pm

It looks like a caiman to me too. I couldn't see anything "crocodile" in it when I first saw it.
By the way, the Papo cheetah also has testicles (small ones...) and they sell it along with the cub, as if it was its mother... (same with new Asian elephants).

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PostSubject: Re: papo 2012 caiman or baby Croc ?   Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:51 am

Well, that they are ment to be caymans is clear to me... Laughing
But i guess you guys are right, most of the white crocodile specimens are leucistic and not albino's... Wink

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