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Suebeedo



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PostSubject: Help with these unknown horses please   Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:49 pm

I couldn't find the thread that Rusty started to add on when you have a figure you need help to identify so had to start a new one.
Maybe we could have a headline like you have for Mojo and Safari and Bullyland etc that says Help Identify and once Identified it can go to the correct Main headline???

well until then I have these small horses that I don't know and hope someone else does know.
Here are the photos with a little information about them with each photo.
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These three are plastic with no Made in ... or Name or even numbers on them. The one horse that has the medieval stuff on it is hollowed out underneath as you can see in the photo. Anyone know them?

This next photo all of these horses seem to be the same kind of hard plastic Breyer-like plastic. Not very heavy but then they aren't very big.
Appears to be white under the color...also no name or date or Made in...on them. They seem "older" to me.
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The Black horse in the Medieval Armor on the left is also hollow underneath and is a brittle plastic. So is the weird colored one on the top right and that one does say "Made in USA" but nothing else. The one that appears to be jumping is actually rather heavy. Must be missing it's support as it does have a hole underneath it for something. I think it is a very nice figure.
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This black saddle horse is hollow inside but actually says inside BERGEN Nov and Toy Co Made in USA. Anyone have knowledge of this company? The plastic is brittle and as you can probably tell the tips of the ears have chipped off...
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Lastly, these three horse are solid plastic (and I think rather nice figures) the ones on the left say Made in China, but also New Ray. The one on the right I think looks alot like them, but doesn't say anything on the underside.
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Oops, almost forgot this one.
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The horse on the left is missing the base and if I didn't have the one on the right with base I wouldn't know anything about it.
It is the base that says TONKA 1988 Lucas Films.

So here they are. I hope someone has some information they can share about these figures.
Thank you.

flower ~ Sue
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PostSubject: Re: Help with these unknown horses please   Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:11 am

You're 4th picture - the knight's horse is by Lido a USA company, from the 1950s or 1960s
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] to a site with a good picture of the two forms of knight's horse from this company
The horse to the right of that on on the top in the same picture - it's by an unknown US maker. It could be Caldwell, Ajax, or Archer but no way to tell if it's not marked with the company. Also 1950s-1960s

The Bergen Toy and Novelty Company was also known as Beton at first, another US company. That is BT 162, the large standing horse. There are various riders for it. A nice site to see them is [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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PostSubject: Re: Help with these unknown horses please   Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:53 am

Wow, thank you Tim for this great information! cheers

AND for the great links to such informative sites. cheers

I had to add them to my Favorites.

Guess I should hang onto them? Seeing as they are "older" .... like me geek

I found infomation on the last picture of the horses one with base, one without. Apparently these were made concerning the movie "WILLOW". The horse is ridden by the Queen Nockmaar's Warriors.

The New Ray Made in China horses ~ that company presently sells, farm and western themed boxed sets. So I don't believe they are very old...

So, does anyone have information on the other figures?

Thank you.

~ Sue
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PostSubject: Re: Help with these unknown horses please   Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:50 am

I don`t have any information, - perhaps when Willy see it, he has more to tell scratch

Tim, your knowledge is so enormous, it is unbelievable cheers

PS, never mind what place it is in IMHO, this is very interesting Wink flower
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PostSubject: Re: Help with these unknown horses please   Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:05 am

The chestnut trotting draft horse in photo #3 is a Hartland Tinymite, and I think the white and black horses are too. I have the Hartland collectors' reference book at home, will see what I find out tonight.
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PostSubject: Re: Help with these unknown horses please   Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:58 pm

Top orange and brown horses are copies of Elastolin/Preiser, still being sold today in a set of farm animals.
4th down jumping horse is a newray from the riding sets, britains scaled.Always tell newray farm by the painting!
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PostSubject: Re: Help with these unknown horses please   Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:01 pm

Top orange and brown horses are copies of Elastolin/Preiser, still being sold today in a set of farm animals.
4th down jumping horse is a newray from the riding sets, britains scaled.Always tell newray farm by the painting!
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WILLYBACOMAN



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PostSubject: Re: Help with these unknown horses please   Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:00 am

Well, beeing late in this tread, almost everything is answered by our other great specialists! cheers
As Robert said, the 2 top-horses in pic one, are slightly different positioned copies of the original Hausser Elastolin horses, which are still produced in a bigger scale in hollow plastic by Preiser Elastolin indeed... Rolling Eyes

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PostSubject: Re: Help with these unknown horses please   Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:39 am

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The Bergen Toy and Novelty Company was also known as Beton at first, another US company. That is BT 162, the large standing horse. There are various riders for it. A nice site to see them is [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Another good site for Bergen/Beton and others from that time is [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]


I love the BETON wild animals, my collection is small but I hope I will have them all one day I love you

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PostSubject: Re: Help with these unknown horses please   Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:25 pm

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The chestnut trotting draft horse in photo #3 is a Hartland Tinymite, and I think the white and black horses are too. I have the Hartland collectors' reference book at home, will see what I find out tonight.
yes, the black and white horses in photo #3 are the Hartland Tinymite Thoroughbred. The trotting chestnut is the Belgian.

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PostSubject: Re: Help with these unknown horses please   Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:55 am

Thank you everyone for your help. I learn something new everytime I visit the forum cheers

I had never heard of Hartland Tinymite and now I own some! :)

I hope others found this information as helpful as I did.

We have a geat group of knowlegeable folks here.


~ Sue
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PostSubject: Re: Help with these unknown horses please   Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:20 am

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The Bergen Toy and Novelty Company was also known as Beton at first, another US company. That is BT 162, the large standing horse. There are various riders for it. A nice site to see them is [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Another good site for Bergen/Beton and others from that time is [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]


I love the BETON wild animals, my collection is small but I hope I will have them all one day I love you

They are very simple and basic in mould, but very special, as they are quit rare... Rolling Eyes
I do have a few to luckaly... Laughing

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