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PostSubject: asian elephants    Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:13 am

ok i really like schelich papo and safari but i found collecta on tgf and order there asian elephant calf and and adult it was a little disapointing compared to there male babboon and spoonbills and ostriches
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PostSubject: Re: asian elephants    Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:29 am

Congrats! Won't you show them? bounce
Could you tell us what you don't like in CollectA Asian elephant?
It is not perfect but it is the only Asian without important flaws I know! elephant
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PostSubject: Re: asian elephants    Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:51 am

That surely is a great Indian Elafant !!!! cheers
If we MUST look for flaws, he is perhaps a bit long in the body, and a bit short-legged ? scratch
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Roger you Britains Rhino is fabulous drunken

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PostSubject: Re: asian elephants    Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:05 pm

I don't have any Asian Elephants yet but this one looks nice enough to join my collection! Very Happy bounce bounce

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PostSubject: Re: asian elephants    Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:17 pm

I like that Elephant a lot, even if he's standing on short legs (for an elephant) Suspect

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PostSubject: asian elephants    Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:33 pm

it is two short legged and the calf with trunk extended is taller than it
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PostSubject: Re: asian elephants    Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:20 pm

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Could you tell us what you don't like in CollectA Asian elephant?
It is not perfect but it is the only Asian without important flaws I know! elephant

It's funny how we can perceive a model and how we appreciate it. Even the way we are thinking about an animal is more subjective than I usually think.

I don't like this model because I think it has too much flaws for me. head, body and legs have wrong proportions. head is too big, body is too long and legs are too short and too bulky for me. A very strange melting for me.

I would really like to understand why you think this model has less flaws ?

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PostSubject: Re: asian elephants    Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:24 pm

Here are some models that IMHO have less flaws than the CollectA, but maybe it is also very subjective Wink

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PostSubject: Re: asian elephants    Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:32 pm

Oh.. I have this CollectA asian elefant and I have to say... it´s not one of the best. His legs are too short, his trunk is too long and his body is too long and chubby scratch scratch But i like him somehow. His head and face is perfect!!!

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But I really love new Papo asian elephant. I only had to repaint his tusks... they were too white :)

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PostSubject: Re: asian elephants    Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:33 pm

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Here are some models that IMHO have less flaws than the CollectA, but maybe it is also very subjective Wink


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Well, this gorgeous animals isn't quite typical Marx Wink Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: asian elephants    Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:40 pm

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Here are some models that IMHO have less flaws than the CollectA, but maybe it is also very subjective Wink


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Well, this gorgeous animals isn't quite typical Marx Wink Very Happy
I loove that MARX elephant! Shocked

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PostSubject: Re: asian elephants    Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:56 pm

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Here are some models that IMHO have less flaws than the CollectA, but maybe it is also very subjective Wink


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Well, this gorgeous animals isn't quite typical Marx Wink Very Happy
I loove that MARX elephant! Shocked

Me too Shocked bounce cheers

Can`t we find a dozen or so, I am sure lots of us would like one Very Happy drunken Wink geek

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PostSubject: Re: asian elephants    Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:01 pm

Kiki & Martin, I like the way you present your figurines on photos. Very good job, guys! cheers

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PostSubject: Re: asian elephants    Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:04 pm

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I loove that MARX elephant! Shocked
It's understandable, since it's a repaint Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: asian elephants    Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:59 pm

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Here are some models that IMHO have less flaws than the CollectA, but maybe it is also very subjective Wink

MARX

Well, this gorgeous animals isn't quite typical Marx Wink Very Happy

The Color is not MARX but the shape yes... I wasn't talking about the colors Wink Laughing

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Kiki & Martin, I like the way you present your figurines on photos. Very good job, guys! cheers

Thank you Bojan Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: asian elephants    Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:29 pm

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Kiki & Martin, I like the way you present your figurines on photos. Very good job, guys! cheers
Thank you :)

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PostSubject: Re: asian elephants    Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:31 pm

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I loove that MARX elephant! Shocked
It's understandable, since it's a repaint Very Happy
It´s not just about repaint... pose and sculp is amazing! cheers

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PostSubject: Re: asian elephants    Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:50 pm

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Kiki & Martin, I like the way you present your figurines on photos. Very good job, guys! cheers

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PostSubject: Re: asian elephants    Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:52 pm

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It´s not just about repaint... pose and sculp is amazing! cheers
Yes it is Martin, I was joking Wink

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PostSubject: Re: asian elephants    Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:00 am

The details is not bad! The only things that I don't like the leg is short & make the head a bit smaller!

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PostSubject: Baltimore zoo   Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:26 am

Safari Wildlife Wonders is my favorite!!!!!!!!
I also like their smaller version, as well as my Britain's Asian(I have the second version). I would still like to get the original(Pictured)!
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PostSubject: Re: asian elephants    Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:22 am

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Congrats! Won't you show them? bounce
Could you tell us what you don't like in CollectA Asian elephant?
It is not perfect but it is the only Asian without important flaws I know! elephant

It's funny how we can perceive a model and how we appreciate it. Even the way we are thinking about an animal is more subjective than I usually think.

I don't like this model because I think it has too much flaws for me. head, body and legs have wrong proportions. head is too big, body is too long and legs are too short and too bulky for me. A very strange melting for me.

I would really like to understand why you think this model has less flaws ?

Of course Christophe, but be patient with me! Wink
First about proportions! When I talk about flaws I'm not refering to proportions. Of course the figure is not good in this point. But the body is not long and the head is not as large as it looks. Sometimes a little wrong measurement makes everything looks weird! And most of people here is right, the legs are very short. It not only makes them look chubby but also makes the body looks longer.
What I mean is that when a figure is higher, it will look shorter even when we don't change it in length! Also with longer legs the head would be farer from the floor and look smaller. The same for trunk and tail.
One "flaw" in proportions can solve many other "flaws". We only have to check correctly what is wrong.
But see how ilusive can be it. In Martin's picture, showing the other side of the figure with the legs closer, the body looks shorter and surely it is the same size! Laughing


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PostSubject: Re: asian elephants    Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:30 am

Now why I'm saying that the CollectA figure is the Asian elephant flaws I know considering that I only know Schleich, CollectA and Papo elephants!
Better explain using some differences between African and Asian elephants!
I'll not talk about small ears and shape of the back because it is relatively correct in almost all figures.
The foread of African elephants is very simple while the forehead of an Asian elephant is a little complex!
It is true that the two humps in the top of the head is present in all replicas but the little humped structures of the forehead, and the smashed parte above the trunk usually is not worked in other figures as it is in CollectA's
In the 2nd picture, even very bad, you can see that the trunk has the rings widely placed as in Asians and that the tusks are not thick as in some you're showing, mainly the Marx! Laughing The picture not shows it very well but you can see that the tusks are not solide white as in some of yours but have a Ivory colouring very beautiful! elephant
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I know the retired Asian elephant is a poor figure but I'll use as comparison to explain some more things once I don't have another! Sad
First the tail. Asian elephants have relatively long and narrow tails as you see in CollectA's (left) and not thick and short as you see in Schleich's (right). In the Bullyland we see a tail some similar to Schleich's and the belly of the Bully looks more like an African!
I mean that a belly diagonally dropped towards the back legs are more characteristic of Africans and we are seeing it in most of them.
At the top right is a close up of the CollectA's trunk! You can see clearly a single finger in the tip of the trunk, in opposition to African's that have 2 fingers! I can see it in some here posted but for example, in Britains it is not clear.
Now see the back paws in the picture! The left one is the CollectA and the right is Schleich! Are CollectA's paws as so wide as it looks? Well, surely not in that comparison!
But more important! Asians, usually and although there are some rare exceptions, have 5 nails in each front paw and 4 in each back paw. I cannot check it in these pictures but the Papo I can warrant is wrong!

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Now look at these details! What a Face Asian elephants have a lower maxila of a different shape of Africans! Longer , pointed and dropped when the mouth is opened! Perfect in CollectA's and not in all here posted!
Another detail important is that elephant molars are diamond shaped in Africans and heavily compressed in Asian! Isn't it tremendous this detail in CollectA's figure?
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I have some more to add but it is hard to explain when the English and pictures are not the best and also because it goes very long! affraid

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PostSubject: Re: asian elephants    Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:48 am

Wink Rogério, you explained your points very well, at least for a French macaque who learn the same English Laughing

I better understand now. Very Happy

And I will answer of course monkey

Mouth and tusks : You are right, a very good point cheers ... About the MARX, the colour is ivory, I know it for sure Wink The COLLECTA mouth is the very best I ever seen on a model.

Forehead ; Beautiful forehead indeed Cool

Trunk : Ok, the detail of the single finger is very easy to see, but at least both PAPO, BULLYLAND, MARX have it. But the finger is not the only point of the trunk, The COLLECTA trunk proportions are wrong, like a hoover tube... Nearly as wide at the end as at the root. The other models, and real Asian elephants, have this kind of trunk.

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Belly : I'm sorry but It seems the COLLECTA has a barrel not a belly. Asian elephant have also belly diagonally dropped towards the back legs, less than African but they have. In fact it is not the belly but the way it is attached to the legs.

Flaw and proportion : How to avoid the subject ? confused
For me it is the most important in a figurine, I can understand and accept some minor flaws... But no, IMHO a false shape is the flaw number one for me, even a crippling flaw What a Face
I don't like the SCHLEICH elephants, both asian and African, both older or 2012 ones. They have fine textures, fine paintings, very fine finish but the proportions are very bad, even worse in the 2012 ones (except the calves Wink ). This kind of details kill a model for me, the flaw is so big I can't forget it.
The COLLECTA has got less proportion flaws than SCHLEICH, but t is easy. Rolling Eyes But It has too much !
When you look at your models, on your shelves, the first thing you are seeing is the proportions, not the details, that's why it is so crucial.
PAPO forelegs nails are a big shame, but I don't see it on the shelf. White tusks are easy to change, look at Martin's model. But how to change an odd trunk, a barrel body and too short legs ?
scratch Photoshop ! cheers
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At least it is better like that, but I can't have it on shelf... Sad

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PostSubject: Re: asian elephants    Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:17 am

Flaws or not... I never realised all these details about elefants Shocked

Roger, your description and illustrations are wonderful, I learned a lot this morning, so it is a good day for me study elephant cheers

I think the CollectA Asian elefant just entered my wishlis, - I HAVE to see the details you describe Very Happy

I am a silly collector, I usually don`t look so much at accuracy or detail, I just think " I like that one", and don`t know why Rolling Eyes geek

Thankyou Roger and Christophe for your great contributions sunny flower

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