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 PAPO Smilodon (nothing new). Maybe the Safari next? Any recommendations?

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PostSubject: Re: PAPO Smilodon (nothing new). Maybe the Safari next? Any recommendations?    Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:48 am

If you are willing to consider resin kits, it doesn't get any better than paleocraft:
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Speaking of sabers, here is my newest acquisition:
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PostSubject: Re: PAPO Smilodon (nothing new). Maybe the Safari next? Any recommendations?    Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:22 pm

@ Kikimalou & Seijun
Thanks for posting those, they look waaaaay better than that thing from Mojo ... Many thanks! cheers cheers cheers cheers

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PostSubject: Re: PAPO Smilodon (nothing new). Maybe the Safari next? Any recommendations?    Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:06 am

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If you are willing to consider resin kits, it doesn't get any better than paleocraft:
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Speaking of sabers, here is my newest acquisition:
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Wow, those are all great. Thank you Christophe and Pam!

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PostSubject: Re: PAPO Smilodon (nothing new). Maybe the Safari next? Any recommendations?    Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:24 am

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I'll definitely go with the Safari ltd. Mojo's looks pretty wierd, the head is too big, that humanlike cheek teeth look funny, the hind legs are as stocky as the front legs, the extended claws while walking are inaccurate, the dew claw is missing, and the plain coat is outdated, but mostly that BULGE between the legs looks terrible No

Curious, the head of the Safari is also large, isn't it? About the coat I also would love to know some evidences of the color. The tiger looking of the Safari figure is usually considered outdated and not educative.
Are you sure that the Safari and Mojo are the same species? Yes, that is important to check the proportions between front and back legs. They had powerful front limbs but I don't know evidences that hind legs were not strong too. Saber teeth are flatened and correctly shaped, I agree that smaller teeth are very simplified because they are not pointy but this point I cannot see in Safari figure.
The figure has dewclaws, what it has not is nails on dewclaws, but many mammals, including felines, have not them. I'm not an expert in genitals but I also don't like this detail of Mojo figure. Anyway, smilodons should not be religiously comparated with modern cats, they don't belong to the same evolutive line. See hyenas that share the same ancestor than smilodons, only using bones who would expect such developed genitals in hyenas? Unfortunately that's a very negleted point in many brands, including Safari.
So you can see that half of your points are subjective, unless you can show me evidences that I don't have and I would apreciate it.
Anyway I think Safari is an interesting choice. :)

The head is way too big, is almost the same size as the rib cage and belly together, there are 3 species of Smilodon and none had that huge head proportions.
Of course, there's no evidence of the fur color or patterns in it, but specialists in carnivores agree that markings like spots and small stripes are a primitive trait for cats, and most modern reconstructions made by experts are done with markings, the best examples are Mauricio Anton and Mark Hallett.
The front legs were very powerful to wrestle big prey to the ground, there's evidence of this in the markings the muscles left in the "arms", but not on the rear legs.
With humanlike teeth I didn't mean how they're simplified, I mean it should be a gap between the canines and the cheek teeth and the figure has a complete row.
If the figure do have dew claws they're too far apart, they look like the carpal pads instead.
About the bulge, there's no carnivore that has it... Female hyenas are sexually dimorphic animals, the females are bigger than males, unlike Smilodon which both males and females were the same size, and even so the although the clitoris in the female resemble a penis, it's located below the anus, not between the legs like a bull or horse.

Although I think the plain pattern is as wrong as some random markings, that it was not possible the animal have weak back legs I confess your points are very convincent and nicely described. One thing I'm sure, with some of your suggestions the figure would be better what doesn't mean that it is not good. Unless when smilodon toys are not very accurate.

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PostSubject: Re: PAPO Smilodon (nothing new). Maybe the Safari next? Any recommendations?    Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:16 pm

I got the AAA small tiger a few weeks ago

must say this saber is also a nice cat



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PostSubject: Re: PAPO Smilodon (nothing new). Maybe the Safari next? Any recommendations?    Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:04 pm

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To myself, the best representation of Smilodon and the most morphologically correct one is the 1988 Safari Carnegie version.  Many experts have stated that Smilodon was very robust in build , especially its frontal quarters, with less built rear quarters.  I think the Papo brand completely failed in this respect.  The Papo Smilodon to me looks dog-like in build, and the complete opposite of what we have come to know about Smilodon.

The big AAA Smilodon is also quite lovely


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PostSubject: Re: PAPO Smilodon (nothing new). Maybe the Safari next? Any recommendations?    Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:10 pm

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To myself, the best representation of Smilodon and the most morphologically correct one is the 1997 Safari Missing Links version.  Many experts have stated that Smilodon was very robust in build , especially its frontal quarters, with less built rear quarters.  I think the Papo brand completely failed in this respect.  The Papo Smilodon to me looks dog-like in build, and the complete opposite of what we have come to know about Smilodon.  I also like the proportions and build of the 1998 Bullyland version as well as the recent Mojo Smilodon.

You are right about morphology of course Very Happy But I guess most people like the Papo because it is full of drama, far to be realistic but a very good actor Wink

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PostSubject: Re: PAPO Smilodon (nothing new). Maybe the Safari next? Any recommendations?    Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:11 pm

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To myself, the best representation of Smilodon and the most morphologically correct one is the 1997 Safari Missing Links version.  Many experts have stated that Smilodon was very robust in build , especially its frontal quarters, with less built rear quarters.  I think the Papo brand completely failed in this respect.  The Papo Smilodon to me looks dog-like in build, and the complete opposite of what we have come to know about Smilodon.  I also like the proportions and build of the 1998 Bullyland version as well as the recent Mojo Smilodon.
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PostSubject: Re: PAPO Smilodon (nothing new). Maybe the Safari next? Any recommendations?    Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:01 pm

I actually love how the Mojo Smilodon is painted (except for tip of tail).  In my opinion, it's about the nicest painted Smilodon figure available.  I am not a fan of the Smilodon figurines that have odd markings like the Schleich and CollectA versions, and I think there is no evidence of stripes (Safari one)  either.  In fact alot of paleontologist experts are very against the stripe theory, more so than spots even.  I agree with them.
If I had to guess on its fur appearance, I would say this cat had no markings at all and it was just plain tan like a modern day lion. I very much disagree when I hear people say that the plain coat theory is outdated..its stripe patterns on the coat that are outdated.  The Sabers on this Mojo Smilodon are as good as it gets, beautifully curved and knife like, so vastly superior to the blunt tusk like ones on the Papo cat figurine .


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PostSubject: Re: PAPO Smilodon (nothing new). Maybe the Safari next? Any recommendations?    Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:57 pm

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If you want a smilodon morphologically correct and with some scientific quality the choice is Mojo. In my opinion, and I know Bullyland, Schleich, Papo and CollectA too! Safari I only know from pictures.
If you want a figure with action but that is a panther with big tooth, you have already the Papo as the best choice. You must check first what is more important for you in a figure. Something closer to a museum replica that shows what the species were or something with some more character but that is more close to a fantasy figure?
Both choices are correct once they enjoy you! cat affraid

I agree with Roger. The Papo ones look like a wolf man! Saber from Mojo is awesome.(Sorry!!!) Laughing  Embarassed

I agree with you both. Mojo's Smilodon is beautiful.
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