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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:20 am

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...anyway schleich antelopes aren't so good because of their too fat legs

There are mainly 2 pretty simple reasons for that :
1st one is safety, so the legs don't break (it's the same with all horses legs for example)
2nd is so the legs don't bend from the weight of the body and the figures stand properly

It's a huge difference to make highly detailed Resin Figures for adult collectors, or PVC
Toys for kids wich have to fullfill a huge list of regulations from material to safety to size
and so on and so on - a lot more stuff than most people would ever even think about.

Each *childrens toy figure* in the end is always just a compromise due to all those rules
and regulations. They could be detailed and sharp to almost lifelike looks, but then a toy
company couldn't sell them to kids, but had to put an *18+ adult collectors* sticker on
them and they would cost a lot more than they do now.

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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:56 am

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...anyway schleich antelopes aren't so good because of their too fat legs

There are mainly 2 pretty simple reasons for that :
1st one is safety, so the legs don't break (it's the same with all horses legs for example)
2nd is so the legs don't bend from the weight of the body and the figures stand properly

It's a huge difference to make highly detailed Resin Figures for adult collectors, or PVC
Toys for kids wich have to fullfill a huge list of regulations from material to safety to size
and so on and so on - a lot more stuff than most people would ever even think about.

Each *childrens toy figure* in the end is always just a compromise due to all those rules
and regulations. They could be detailed and sharp to almost lifelike looks, but then a toy
company couldn't sell them to kids, but had to put an *18+ adult collectors* sticker on
them and they would cost a lot more than they do now.

cheers, Barricade


Dear B,

I know all these reasons and as I said I have respect for this company. I said it kidding, we talked about it many times. This is why I let myself for words like this. This is old topic really, and I suppose people will talk about on collectors forums also many years in future too. I know that sculptors which work for this company are able to make more realistic antelopes-I have no doubts.

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PostSubject: What would you like to see in 2011   Sat Sep 11, 2010 10:32 am

My daughter read a thread about dreams of 2011 and asked me so I wrote about her wishes for the new year 2011. Ztego what he would like the Schleich had to make a new catalog of dreams. After long deliberation was limited to 10 mammals some of which she saw at the zoo and the rest of the films and of our forum (made by our artists Ania and Yurumi). Here is a list of dreams
1 - Bongo! Bongo! Bongo!
2- Gerenuk
3- Aardvark
4 - Suhak
5 - Gaur
6 - Pangolin
7 - Wild Ass in Asia
8 -Tamandua
9 - Black Howler
10 - Takin


It;s only 10 wild mammals and where horses, birds, which do we like to watch and listen as the Schleich which is so low. As I have mentioned their wishes to have the new cataloque.

My daughter still tells of these 10 families of mammals with the most


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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Sat Sep 11, 2010 2:00 pm

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My daughter read a thread about dreams of 2011 and asked me so I wrote about her wishes for the new year 2011. ... Here is a list of dreams
Very reasonable list, I must admit!
Only who is the Suhak?
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:07 pm

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My daughter read a thread about dreams of 2011 and asked me so I wrote about her wishes for the new year 2011. ... Here is a list of dreams
Very reasonable list, I must admit!
Only who is the Suhak?

I think it must be Saiga antelope this is Polish name of this specie cat
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:35 pm

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Very reasonable list, I must admit!
Only who is the Suhak?

I think it must be Saiga antelope this is Polish name of this specie cat [/quote]
Aha, I see. In Russian and Ukrainian it is called almost similarly - "saihak"
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PostSubject: What would you like to see in 2011   Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:48 pm

Ania is right. Latin name of Saiga tatarica. In former times there between Turkestan to the Carpathians. It has a very interesting construction of the snout.
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Sat Sep 11, 2010 11:46 pm

I know the biggest group in Schleich-collectors are the horse-girls... Laughing
But i hope they will make some other stuff too... Wink

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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Sun Sep 12, 2010 1:29 am

Of course this pic was from the latest Schleich anniversary-book! Rolling Eyes

It is about time this forum will be the first to reveal the news for Schleich 2011, as we have so many insiders here!

But i must really say, that i am dis-appointed in some members, that they are really so much present on the "other" forum, but it is their own choice of course... Laughing
It is not a forum for animal-collectors anyway, as it showed in the past shortly ago... farao

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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:53 am

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Of course this pic was from the latest Schleich anniversary-book! Rolling Eyes

It is about time this forum will be the first to reveal the news for Schleich 2011, as we have so many insiders here!

But i must really say, that i am dis-appointed in some members, that they are really so much present on the "other" forum, but it is their own choice of course... Laughing
It is not a forum for animal-collectors anyway, as it showed in the past shortly ago... farao
I'm still on the other forum for a couple of reasons, one is because they're still friends there, and 2 because any info they get on 2011 stuff I can transfer to this forum. Wink so don't be disappointed in me for that please Very Happy Besides that if I hadn't been on the other one, I'd never have had the commission from Shawn.
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:51 pm

Hi Harriet. I still get on the other forum from time to time too, but mainly because the bulk of my collection is shown on there. I haven't been able to put the older pictures on this forum yet, but most of my new items are on this forum and not on the other. It is easier to post them in only one forum.
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PostSubject: More speculations on Schleich-2011   Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:52 pm

Hello, my friends!
While we are waiting for some info leakage on Schleich-2011, I’d like to share opinions with you on the rumor about a range of animals from S-E Asia that Schleich could possibly introduce (gaur, tapir, Indian rhinos, black leopards, python, muntjak…).
Like many of us may remember, Daniel [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] at the end of 2008.
The info wasn’t confirmed neither in 2009, nor in 2010. We could consider it as a total misinformation, BUT after all, two animals from that list appeared on the market: Malayan tapir and Black leopard (the latter however only in the Bayala series).
Taking into account [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Schleich is planning production of new models for three years ahead, I may assume that this rumor could have concerned not 2009 or 2010, but further Schleich’s plans. So, we could see the confirmation in 2011 or 2012, at most.
What do you think about it, fellows?
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:10 pm

Maybe,but I am 70% sure it was an erronated info or Schleich changed their thoughts!On the other hand,the info with creating models 3 years ahead is correct,so we have to wait.
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:52 pm

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Well, this "barebone" thread began to work for the forum: when googling for "Schleich 2011" this page appears in the Top-6 of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. (The 1st place is traditionally occupied by Laughing Giraffe).
So, I'm sure this thread will attract more new users to the forum as it did for LG.

Alas, on Google France, we are only at the n°10 place Sad

But we are a young forum so... time is on our side Wink
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:16 pm

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Hello, my friends!
While we are waiting for some info leakage on Schleich-2011, I’d like to share opinions with you on the rumor about a range of animals from S-E Asia that Schleich could possibly introduce (gaur, tapir, Indian rhinos, black leopards, python, muntjak…).
Like many of us may remember, Daniel [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] at the end of 2008.
The info wasn’t confirmed neither in 2009, nor in 2010. We could consider it as a total misinformation, BUT after all, two animals from that list appeared on the market: Malayan tapir and Black leopard (the latter however only in the Bayala series).
Taking into account [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Schleich is planning production of new models for three years ahead, I may assume that this rumor could have concerned not 2009 or 2010, but further Schleich’s plans. So, we could see the confirmation in 2011 or 2012, at most.
What do you think about it, fellows?

In 2010, Schleich also made a yak which is an asiatic citizen. I don't know what to think, or even if there is something to think about this, but this year Safari and Papo produced orang-utan and The Schleich is an old model now... The same for the indian rhino.

I just hope Schleich, and Papo, will surprise us soon like the 2011 Safari's products did a few days ago Wink In such a case, 2011 could be a very good millesime cheers
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:42 pm

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I'm still on the other forum for a couple of reasons, one is because they're still friends there, and 2 because any info they get on 2011 stuff I can transfer to this forum. Wink so don't be disappointed in me for that please Very Happy Besides that if I hadn't been on the other one, I'd never have had the commission from Shawn.

You are a free woman Harriet and this world is yours... So there is no reason to leave LG if you like the place. Very Happy

And of course there is no reason to avoid transfering good news Wink

I chose to leave LG because I have not enough time to be in two forums, and after reading some silly things from Playmobillist when Willy left. I decided I will use my "forum" time to make this one alive and I think it was the good choice.
Real truth, I don't think, I know it was the good choice Very Happy . Torben gave us a wonderful opportunity and we made this place a very fine and peaceful place. We can talk about our passion and feel like in a big family here. The respect of each other, the open mind and good spirit are IMHO the reason why new "very welcome" members are staying with us.
Ok, the next time i will say a silly joke, as usual geek
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:18 am

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I'm still on the other forum for a couple of reasons, one is because they're still friends there, and 2 because any info they get on 2011 stuff I can transfer to this forum. Wink so don't be disappointed in me for that please Very Happy Besides that if I hadn't been on the other one, I'd never have had the commission from Shawn.

You are a free woman Harriet and this world is yours... So there is no reason to leave LG if you like the place. Very Happy

And of course there is no reason to avoid transfering good news Wink

I chose to leave LG because I have not enough time to be in two forums, and after reading some silly things from Playmobillist when Willy left. I decided I will use my "forum" time to make this one alive and I think it was the good choice.
Real truth, I don't think, I know it was the good choice Very Happy . Torben gave us a wonderful opportunity and we made this place a very fine and peaceful place. We can talk about our passion and feel like in a big family here. The respect of each other, the open mind and good spirit are IMHO the reason why new "very welcome" members are staying with us.
Ok, the next time i will say a silly joke, as usual geek
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:37 am

I've been registered in LG for at least a year but for some reason I've never been allowed to post a reply into any thread there. Well I don't give a damn now that I'm here Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:05 pm

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In 2010, Schleich also made a yak which is an asiatic citizen. I don't know what to think, or even if there is something to think about ...:

Well, the yak is giving birth to even more far-reaching thoughts in me. I've already have a hypothesis in my mind, soon I'll outline it in words and put into discussion here.
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:18 am

I think that Schleich is really building slowly a Asian group. Maybe we will have a gibbon and a gaur like many people wants!!!
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:28 am

Harriet, of course you are free to go where you want... Laughing
I am just to enthousiasthic about this forum, and we are collectors of animal-figurines here only, and of stuff what belongs to them.
But any news from which side is very welcome of course! cheers

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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:50 am

This is the best place for all the collectors like us, no doubt 'coz the people here are more friendly and their is always a one-family atmosphere here. cheers

And since there is always a French Crazy Macaque and a funny Orange Dutch here to play jokes, life here is not boring at all. Laughing

cheers

But we must admit that LG has played a big part for all of us to know each other before and we should be thankful for that at least. But then, time has changed. After the departure of the Funny Orange Dutch there, that old Laughing Giraffe is slowly becoming a Boring Giraffe each day and sooner or later, it will become a Snoring Giraffe if the trend there continues. Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep Sleep
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Fri Sep 17, 2010 12:32 pm

Every day I log into to check this thread and see if by some sort of miracle someone have received any news on the new 2011 releases. I know it is early but I can dream cant i? :-)
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PostSubject: My guesswork on Schleich’s production plans   Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:31 pm

Hi, everyone!
As I’ve already mentioned earlier, I’ve got a hypothesis about Schleich production plans that doesn’t come out of my mind. Of course, I may be totally wrong, but I’d like to discuss my guesswork with you. There’s pretty much of text, but the topic is very interesting. :)

In the past 2 years it was obvious that Schleich was actively developing the African wildlife theme:
- 2009: Schleich introduced 14 African figures, while the other continents where covered scarcely (2 figures for Europe, 1 for N.America, 1 for Asia, 1 for S.America & 1 for Australia).
- 2010: 6 African animals introduced, 7 European, 5 N.American, 2 Asian, 1 S.American, 2 Australian & 2 for Antarctica.

As it was mentioned once, Schleich is making production plans for 3 years ahead. So we could add 2008 to the list:
- 2008: 6 African animals introduced, 3 for Europe & 8 for Asia (but we can divide them in 2 because the white tigers don’t make any picture).

So, in total over the past three years Schleich introduced:
- 26 African animals
- 12 European
- 7 Asian (11 if we count white tigers)
- 6 N. American
- 3 Australian
- 2 Antarctic
- 1 S. American

Based on this statistics I may assume that the 3-year plan of fulfilling a wide African wildlife range has almost come to an end. Currently Schleich is offering 41 African figurine!!! And virtually all the popular and well-known species are present (except gorillas).
That’s why in 2011 I expect to see no new African species, but maybe some extensions to the current line-up (for example, Zebra or Gazelle in a new pose, or a new Hippo) and probably some African landscape items ([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]).

But what will be the keynote of the next 3-year plan? I suppose it to be Asian wildlife. There are two reasons: the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] and two new Asian species introduced in 2010: Tapir and Yak. I think Schleich has already started the three-year “Asian wave” in 2010 by introducing these two critters.

So, based on my hypothesis and those notorious rumors, here are my 4 logical predictions about the new Schleich figures in 2011 (and maybe even 2012):
- In the new line-up we’ll see more Asian than African animals;
- Tapir calf will be introduced – it’s both logical and conforming with the rumors;
- Black leopard with black cub will appear in the Wildlife series: they’ve already made the panther for Bayala, so it won’t cost much;
- Indian rhino with a calf will be introduced. Schleich has always been good in making rhinos, it’s their strong point, so this species is the #1 candidate among the Asian wildlife. Moreover, we already know that Safari Ltd. will offer an Indian rhino in 2011, and we all remember that strange simultaneous arrival of three Malayan tapirs this year…

This is what is boiling in my head. Needless to say that my thoughts might be misguided, but I find my guesses quite rational :) Nevertheless, only a few months or even weeks are left until we know the truth.
I’d appreciate your opinions about my hypothesis, friends.
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:08 pm

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Hi, everyone!

This is what is boiling in my head. Needless to say that my thoughts might be misguided, but I find my guesses quite rational :) Nevertheless, only a few months or even weeks are left until we know the truth.
I’d appreciate your opinions about my hypothesis, friends.

Thanks for your message, it is well written and clear and logical to understand. I totally agree with you. In regards to the Safari Indian Rhino for 2011 where did you hear this? I would like to see what they bring about?

Perhaps Schleich is going to move towards more Asian and Australasian/South American animals and Papo and Safari will continue with their African ranges?
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:17 pm

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Thanks for your message, it is well written and clear and logical to understand. I totally agree with you. In regards to the Safari Indian Rhino for 2011 where did you hear this? I would like to see what they bring about?..
Thanks for appreciation, Numaan!
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:54 pm

Sincerely,Safari ltd. didn't impress me too much this year.We are all hoping that Papo and Schleich will come out with something GREAT!

PS:I have a vague feeling that we will see 3 Indian rhinos next year! :)
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:59 pm

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Sincerely,Safari ltd. didn't impress me too much this year.
Really? I thought the Safari Kudu and Indian Rhino were fantastic!
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:55 pm

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Sincerely,Safari ltd. didn't impress me too much this year.We are all hoping that Papo and Schleich will come out with something GREAT!

PS:I have a vague feeling that we will see 3 Indian rhinos next year! :)

Of course we are hoping good things from Schleich and Papo in 2011. Wink Very Happy

As far as I am concerned, I hope they will be able to reach the quality of the 2011 Safari models which already impressed me a lot tongue

Maybe we will see three Indian rhino, and maybe, like the 2010 tapirs, Safari will win the race cheers
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:15 pm

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Hi, everyone!
As I’ve already mentioned earlier, I’ve got a hypothesis about Schleich production plans that doesn’t come out of my mind. Of course, I may be totally wrong, but I’d like to discuss my guesswork with you. There’s pretty much of text, but the topic is very interesting. :)
This is what is boiling in my head. Needless to say that my thoughts might be misguided, but I find my guesses quite rational :) Nevertheless, only a few months or even weeks are left until we know the truth.
I’d appreciate your opinions about my hypothesis, friends.

Well Kiryl, we just have to wait a few months, weeks and we will see... cyclops

Your idea is logic, IMHO, for a collector mind but I'm not sure Schleich will follow this. I don't know.

The african animals are the children favourite and It matters for every company.

Schleich had already the asian elephants, the tigers, the tapir, the yak and the pandas.

I agree they could produce an Indian rhino, because they need a new model. I understand the black panther choice because it is a very appealing animal. And of course, they need a good orang-utan to compete with the new Papo. The tapir cub ? Why not ! Schleich is on a mom-dad-baby mood.

Ok... But it is not a wave. What Asian model they could produce with a great chance to sold a lot ? I don't know... Asian fauna is more risky than African or even European fauna. I'm not sure Schleich is on a "risky" strategy now like in the late 1990's and early 2000's.

About the 2011 tapirs, I still don't know. This kind of coïncidence often happens in real life : When you choose a first name for your baby, you are often sure you found the most sweet and original first name. After a couple of years, you suddenly discover that a lot of people chose the same name at the same moment, just a mood.
Ok, in a companies competition, it's probably more than a mood. Wink

About the African line, there are big holes in the Schleich's production.

You are right about the lack of gorilla. Papo, Safari and CollectA have their own. Will Schleich let the market place for the other companies ? Not sure... I guess gorillas are a good investment :) .
But it's the same with the Cape buffalo, Schleich is the only Major which can't sold one now...
And what about a Kudu (or maybe a bongo Wink ). The only one on the place is the Papo but we already know Safari will compete next year with his lesser kudu. What will do Schleich ? If striped antelopes are a hit, they could make one.
Let's talk about the hippo. It is an old and very small model. maybe they will make a better one ?

Well, here are a few things I got in mind. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe you are wrong... And maybe we are wrong Laughing

It doesn't matter, because thinking about new things are always very good. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:24 pm

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This is what is boiling in my head. Needless to say that my thoughts might be misguided, but I find my guesses quite rational :) Nevertheless, only a few months or even weeks are left until we know the truth.
I’d appreciate your opinions about my hypothesis, friends.

Thanks for your message, it is well written and clear and logical to understand. I totally agree with you. In regards to the Safari Indian Rhino for 2011 where did you hear this? I would like to see what they bring about?

Perhaps Schleich is going to move towards more Asian and Australasian/South American animals and Papo and Safari will continue with their African ranges?

It seems Papo has already made some Asiatic animals. Maybe we could see some elephants, or will they let the market for Safari and Schleich ?

About Safari they have the widest range of Asian and Australasian/South American animals of the four SSPC. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Fri Sep 17, 2010 9:44 pm

Thanks for your comment, Kiki!
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Schleich had already the asian elephants, the tigers, the tapir, the yak and the pandas.
I agree they could produce an Indian rhino, because they need a new model. I understand the black panther choice because it is a very appealing animal. And of course, they need a good orang-utan to compete with the new Papo...
Ok... But it is not a wave. What Asian model they could produce with a great chance to sold a lot ? I don't know...
Currently Schleich is offering only 13 Asian animals (or 17 if we count the white tigers). That's incomparable to the vast African line-up (there are 44, not 41 African figures, as I wrote above, - I forgot the older ostrich and the dromedars).
So there's a place for at least 5 new Asian figures, or maybe even up to ten. And additional shelf space could be made if Schleich retired some outdated African figures (older rhino and ostrich, for example).
As to the Asian species that could become best-sellers, I'm sure there are worthy candidates: gaur, reticulated python (world's longest reptile!), blackbuck, gibbons, orangutans, axis deer, nilgai, great hornbill... Don't you agree?
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About the African line, there are big holes in the Schleich's production.
You are right about the lack of gorilla. Papo, Safari and CollectA have their own. Will Schleich let the market place for the other companies ? Not sure... I guess gorillas are a good investment :) .
But it's the same with the Cape buffalo, Schleich is the only Major which can't sold one now...
And what about a Kudu (or maybe a bongo Wink ). The only one on the place is the Papo but we already know Safari will compete next year with his lesser kudu. What will do Schleich ? If striped antelopes are a hit, they could make one.
Let's talk about the hippo. It is an old and very small model. maybe they will make a better one?
I think that gorillas are the only popular African animals that Schleich doesn't make. Cause about the other common and well-known savannah species - buffalos, hyenas, baboons, marabous - I'm not sure they're loved and demanded by kids, you know what I mean?
Moreover, I think that harsh competition in buffalos, gorillas, hippos and kudus plays deterrent role for Schleich - why should they enter these overcrowded market niches if they could make smth fresh and outstanding instead?
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:50 pm

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Thanks for your comment, Kiki!
Currently Schleich is offering only 13 Asian animals (or 17 if we count the white tigers). That's incomparable to the vast African line-up (there are 44, not 41 African figures, as I wrote above, - I forgot the older ostrich and the dromedars).
So there's a place for at least 5 new Asian figures, or maybe even up to ten. And additional shelf space could be made if Schleich retired some outdated African figures (older rhino and ostrich, for example).
As to the Asian species that could become best-sellers, I'm sure there are worthy candidates: gaur, reticulated python (world's longest reptile!), blackbuck, gibbons, orangutans, axis deer, nilgai, great hornbill... Don't you agree?

I think that gorillas are the only popular African animals that Schleich doesn't make. Cause about the other common and well-known savannah species - buffalos, hyenas, baboons, marabous - I'm not sure they're loved and demanded by kids, you know what I mean?
Moreover, I think that harsh competition in buffalos, gorillas, hippos and kudus plays deterrent role for Schleich - why should they enter these overcrowded market niches if they could make smth fresh and outstanding instead?

Of course it's incomparable to the African line-up. But, just think of what kind of animals kids can see on TV, for example : Nothing is comparable to the African fauna. How many childs have seen a gnu, a Cape buffalo, an antelope or hippos on TVshows ? And how many have ever heard about a gaur, a blackbuck, an axis deer or a nilgaï ?
Again, I don't speak about baboons or marabu storks, I speak about well known animals that other major companies produced.
Why should Schleich enter overcrowded market niches if they could make something fresh and outstanding ?
Kiryl, seriously, are you speaking about Schleich or about a German company you dreamed about ?
Schleich is in the overcrowded market : 4 zebras ! 3 chimps ! 3 African elephants ( and 3 asiatic too) ! 3 black rhinos ! 3 cheetahs ! 4 giraffes ! 3 kangaroos ! 3 warthogs...
Making something fresh and oustanding ? 10 years ago, Schleich made something fresh and outstanding, anteater, armadillo, oryx, kudu, Cape buffalo, baboons, muskox, elephant seal, beluga, manatee, narwal, reindeer, desmatosuchus, sauropelta, ouranosaurus, shonisaurus, kronosaurus, 1:12 birds... But it was a long time ago.
What we have seen really outstanding in 2010 wildlife ? 3 warthogs and a yak and I'm not sure we can say they are really outstanding.
I will not speak about the tapir because it is already an overcrowded market ( I've got 4 different 2010 tapirs...)
What about dinosaurs ? One... Only one ! And a giganatosaurus, like the 2010 Bullyland one and the 2009 Carnegie...
Forest life : Wolverine, beaver, otter, pine marder, badger, skunk ? No, moose, moose, moose, lynx, lynx, racoon, raccons...
I'm sorry but I really think Schleich is no longer on the fresh and oustanding way, the choice of this company is maybe to become the king of the overcrowded market, not the one who find new paths.
We can love or dislike their models but the companies who try now to do something fresh and outstanding are Safari and CollectA. Maybe because it's the only way to survive to the Schleich steamroller.
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Sat Sep 18, 2010 1:34 am

Very nice posting here!!!
I understand Kiryhua, is making an exercise mixing what would like to see and what expect.
But it seems that i all Europe is like in Portugal.
More than 90% of market is Schleich. Are Schleich everywhere! There are some little shops selling Papo, CollectA or Safari. Sometimes we see Schleich shops selling other brands but only the animals that are not in Schleich catalogue.
Certainly what Schleich will produces it's what it is expecting to sell. And children are the big market for these brands and not collectors.
So Kiki is right! Maybe more families, more different poses for best selling animals. Cubs are nice for children and help the brand to sell adultes.
Cause gorillas are very popular for boys, maybe we'll have some!
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Sat Sep 18, 2010 2:46 am

Well, as far as I'm concerned, the more African animals the better for me!
since I collect only animals of the African Savannah (not even Congo animals like the okapi and gorilla). The Savannah is my greatest passion! cheers

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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Sat Sep 18, 2010 9:26 pm

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Very nice posting here!!!
I understand Kiryhua, is making an exercise mixing what would like to see and what expect.
But it seems that i all Europe is like in Portugal.
More than 90% of market is Schleich. Are Schleich everywhere! There are some little shops selling Papo, CollectA or Safari. Sometimes we see Schleich shops selling other brands but only the animals that are not in Schleich catalogue.
Certainly what Schleich will produces it's what it is expecting to sell. And children are the big market for these brands and not collectors.
So Kiki is right! Maybe more families, more different poses for best selling animals. Cubs are nice for children and help the brand to sell adultes.
Cause gorillas are very popular for boys, maybe we'll have some!

Maybe alas, I am right... I would prefer Kiryhua is right Wink
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:13 pm

Maybe alas, I am right... I would prefer Kiryhua is right Wink [/quote]

Me too!!!
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Sun Sep 19, 2010 12:02 pm

A very interesting discussion is being rolled out here, guys! cheers
First of all, I have a few comments to the Christophe's post:
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Of course it's incomparable to the African line-up. But, just think of what kind of animals kids can see on TV, for example : Nothing is comparable to the African fauna. How many childs have seen a gnu, a Cape buffalo, an antelope or hippos on TVshows ? And how many have ever heard about a gaur, a blackbuck, an axis deer or a nilgaï ?.....
I'm sorry but I really think Schleich is no longer on the fresh and oustanding way, the choice of this company is maybe to become the king of the overcrowded market, not the one who find new paths.

Yes, I agree. But they need to update their line-up every year, and well-known African species are not endless - that's what can make them turn to fresh solutions.
On the other hand, producing "zoogeographical" line-ups could also be an economically rational marketing step. For example, a kid has plenty of tigers and he might think of playing "Indian jungle". So he needs a prey for the tigers, he would love to have a python, some Indian monkeys and so on.
I think that not only "dad-mom-cub" animal gropus could be sales drivers, but zoogeographical groups too. Don't you agree?

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Schleich is in the overcrowded market : 4 zebras ! 3 chimps ! 3 African elephants ( and 3 asiatic too) ! 3 black rhinos ! 3 cheetahs ! 4 giraffes ! 3 kangaroos ! 3 warthogs...

BUT they still offer a non-competitive hippo, and they don't produce gorillas and orangutans - all of these are popular animals, but competition is heavy, esp. with hippos.
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Forest life: Wolverine, beaver, otter, pine marder, badger, skunk ? No, moose, moose, moose, lynx, lynx, racoon, raccons...
What we have seen really outstanding in 2010 wildlife ? 3 warthogs and a yak and I'm not sure we can say they are really outstanding.

Well, the yak is fresh and oustanding to my mind. And no other brand is offering lynx and warthogs that are close to Schleich's in quality.



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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:16 pm

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Of course it's incomparable to the African line-up. But, just think of what kind of animals kids can see on TV, for example : Nothing is comparable to the African fauna. How many childs have seen a gnu, a Cape buffalo, an antelope or hippos on TVshows ? And how many have ever heard about a gaur, a blackbuck, an axis deer or a nilgaï ?.....
I'm sorry but I really think Schleich is no longer on the fresh and oustanding way, the choice of this company is maybe to become the king of the overcrowded market, not the one who find new paths.

Yes, I agree. But they need to update their line-up every year, and well-known African species are not endless - that's what can make them turn to fresh solutions.
On the other hand, producing "zoogeographical" line-ups could also be an economically rational marketing step. For example, a kid has plenty of tigers and he might think of playing "Indian jungle". So he needs a prey for the tigers, he would love to have a python, some Indian monkeys and so on.
I think that not only "dad-mom-cub" animal gropus could be sales drivers, but zoogeographical groups too. Don't you agree?

Very Happy , I remember my nephew who played with his Schleich giraffe and lion... The giraffe hunted the lion.. found it.. and crushed the lion with her long long legs Laughing

Yes Kiryl, they need to update their lines-ups and well known African species are not endless. Asian well known species are not endless too : tigers, elephants, tapirs, yak, orang-utan, black panther.... scratch .... Species like the ones you said are unknown from a lot of people indeed.
Even kids who know what is a python probably don't know this animal is Asiatic.

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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:19 pm

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Schleich is in the overcrowded market : 4 zebras ! 3 chimps ! 3 African elephants ( and 3 asiatic too) ! 3 black rhinos ! 3 cheetahs ! 4 giraffes ! 3 kangaroos ! 3 warthogs...

BUT they still offer a non-competitive hippo, and they don't produce gorillas and orangutans - all of these are popular animals, but competition is heavy, esp. with hippos.

YES ! So maybe we will see soon a new hippo, a gorilla family and an orang-utan cyclops
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:27 pm

I can't wait... bounce
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:05 pm

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Very Happy , I remember my nephew who played with his Schleich giraffe and lion... The giraffe hunted the lion.. found it.. and crushed the lion with her long long legs Laughing
lol! Maybe parents of such kids should use animal figurines to educate their children a bit in zoology?

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Yes Kiryl, they need to update their lines-ups and well known African species are not endless. Asian well known species are not endless too : tigers, elephants, tapirs, yak, orang-utan, black panther.... scratch .... Species like the ones you said are unknown from a lot of people indeed.
Even kids who know what is a python probably don't know this animal is Asiatic.

Why do you think that yak is a well-known animal? And Malayan tapir?
And gaur and hornbills look very spectacular - they could easily attract buyers who don't know what species these are.
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:31 pm

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Forest life: Wolverine, beaver, otter, pine marder, badger, skunk ? No, moose, moose, moose, lynx, lynx, racoon, raccons...
What we have seen really outstanding in 2010 wildlife ? 3 warthogs and a yak and I'm not sure we can say they are really outstanding.

Well, the yak is fresh and oustanding to my mind. And no other brand is offering lynx and warthogs that are close to Schleich's in quality.

Very Happy Kiryl, I know we have things in common, excepting we are wild animals collectors of course : We like to choose carefully our models and spend time to dream about the next one.
So you will not be disappointed to heard that I don't bought all the 2010 Shleich animals... But I bought the yak, the three warthogs and the tapir ! They were the most outstanding of the 2010 Schleich's batch. But you can agree that a Nilgai or a gaur would be VERY outstanding. That's what I ment.

About quality : in this discussion I think it doesn't matter.

First, we are collectors with collector minds : We are all obsess about quality and oustanding things. Our standart of quality are very very high, we are experts.
And, as specialists, we can have different point of views : I still don't bought the Schleich lynx because I still prefer my Papo.

Schleich, and the other companies, are not working for experts, they try to sell to sellers who try to seel these products to family who have enough money to buy them for their kids.

Who are those sellers ? A few are web shops and are able to sale all the products of all the companies but, again, I don't think it is the BIG market.
The big market are toy's shops and zoo or museum shops. the displays are nearly always near the checkout where kids have enough time to ask you for a model because you have to queue. If the kid wants a giraffe, it doesn't matter for the parents if it is a Schleich, a CollectA, a Papo or a Safari... They have the same quality level. We are the only ones on earth who can discuss which one is the best, other adults don't care.
So for the companies, the important thing is to be there : A wonderful display near the checkout ! With some light if it's possible, no chance to miss them !
This is their big problem because they have to convince the seller to buy their line. I don't know any place where I can find more than two companies at the same shop.
For example... And I think I'm lucky... Around my city :
One shop is only selling Schleich (all the brands)
two shops are only selling Papo ( all the brands)
One is selling some Papo
Five are selling schleich and Papo ( nearly all the brands )
two are selling some CollectA and Bullyland.
At twenty minutes car driving from home, in Belgium, one shop sell some bullyland and AAA.
And.. None of them are selling Safari.

In the zoo shops around ( in Belgium)
Two are selling mostly schleich and some Papo or CollectA. for example, the Papo gorilla, buffalo and Hippo, the CollectA Bison and elephants.
One is selling some AAA and Safari ( and no Schleich) because they have a lot of birds in the zoo Wink .

I don't know how it is in the rest of the world, but it could be interresting to know.

At least, for the European companies, here is the battlefield : The checkout.
The competition between Papo and Schleich ( and maybe the others of course) Is on the overcrowed market.
Schleich makes an Okapi, then Papo makes an okapi.
Schleich makes two meerkats, then Papo makes three meekats, then Schleich makes meerkats babies.
Papo makes a new crocodile, then Schleich makes a new crocodile.
Papo makes new style of dinos, raising the detail level very high, then Schleich changes his dino lines to compete with Papo.
So why not a gorilla, a cape buffalo or an Orang-utan ?
Alas I would not bet on a nilgai or a gaur...
But, ok, sometimes life is full of surprise so... We will see. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:36 pm

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Very Happy , I remember my nephew who played with his Schleich giraffe and lion... The giraffe hunted the lion.. found it.. and crushed the lion with her long long legs Laughing
lol! Maybe parents of such kids should use animal figurines to educate their children a bit in zoology?
I spent a lot of time teaching him... But he prefered his way Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:39 pm

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Yes Kiryl, they need to update their lines-ups and well known African species are not endless. Asian well known species are not endless too : tigers, elephants, tapirs, yak, orang-utan, black panther.... scratch .... Species like the ones you said are unknown from a lot of people indeed.
Even kids who know what is a python probably don't know this animal is Asiatic.

Why do you think that yak is a well-known animal? And Malayan tapir?
And gaur and hornbills look very spectacular - they could easily attract buyers who don't know what species these are.

Yaks are better known because... Do you heard about Tibet and the Dalaï lama ? Laughing What is the emblematic animal of tibet ? Alas not the takin Sad

Malayan tapir ? When at least three major companies, the biggest indeed, produced a tapir the same year, it means tapirs are better known that we imagine ! No doubt Laughing

Believe me, if those three companies produced three new nilgaï in 2011 or 2012, I will write a thousand time : Kiryuha is a great soothsayer ! king
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:00 pm

I can't wait...again... bounce
Sorry,it's all I can say besides your great remarks! drunken
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:49 pm

Uh, I like your eagerness to discuss this topic, Kiki! cheers So, let's go on.
I agree with most of the things you say, but not with everything.
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So you will not be disappointed to hear that I don't bought all the 2010 Schleich
animals... But I bought the yak, the three warthogs and the tapir ! They were
the most outstanding of the 2010 Schleich's batch...

Will you be disappointed to hear that I haven't bought all the 2010 Schleich wild
animals as well? :) Or that I've even bought only a couple of them: adult
warthogs and moose buck. Lynx, tapir and moose cow are next on my buying list.
And I still haven't bought the yak cause it is painted as a domestic form...

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I don't know how it is in the rest of the world, but it could be interresting to know.

In Ukraine only Schleich is widely availbale, and some stores sell ELC and Safari toobs. Papo and Bullyland wildlife are VERY rare guests here, and there's no Safari Wildlife and CollectA (although Safari was on sale about 3 years ago). And in Kiev zoo there's no Schleich, only low-end Chinese stuff.

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At least, for the European companies, ... The competition between Papo and Schleich ( and maybe the others of course) Is on the overcrowed market...
So why not a gorilla, a cape buffalo or an Orang-utan?
OK, you convinced me. I kinda begin to expect to see gorilla, buffalo and orangutan from Schleich soon.
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I'm sorry but I really think Schleich is no longer on the fresh and oustanding way, the choice of this company is maybe to become the king of the overcrowded market, not the one who find new paths.
I understand it, but try not to think about it 'cause it makes me upset. Crying or Very sad :) :)
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:59 pm

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Yaks are better known because... Do you heard about Tibet and the Dalaï lama ? Laughing What is the emblematic animal of tibet ? Alas not the takin Sad
Malayan tapir ? When at least three major companies, the biggest indeed, produced a tapir the same year, it means tapirs are better known that we imagine ! No doubt Laughing
Hmm, I don't treat Tibet and Dalaï lama as things that matter when it comes to wildlife. :)
As to the Malayan tapirs, the only reason we see so many of them in shops, IMHO, is that this species is rather widespread in European and US zoos. Am I right?

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Believe me, if those three companies produced three new nilgaï in 2011 or 2012, I will write a thousand time : Kiryuha is a great soothsayer ! king
Well, I haven't predicted that we'll see a nilgai figurine anytime soon.
But you're welcome to write a thousand times "Kiryuha is a great soothsayer" if Schleich introduces Indian rhino with a calf in 2011, or if among the new Schleich stuff there'll be more new Asian than African animals. OK? Wink Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: 2011 ? ~ Schleich Company ~ Masters of Suspense ~   Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:00 pm

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Sorry,it's all I can say besides your great remarks! drunken
Why? I'll be glad to know your vision of the situation.
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