CollectA 2013 - American Staffordshire Terrier: Do you want cut ears or natural ears?

... My question might be a bit stupid since I know only a little about cropping ears...

But does anyone know if cropping ears affects the dog's ability to communicate with other dogs?
Since tail and ears are very important features in dog-to-dog communication, so I guess that if parts of them are cut off, it would have some effect....

kristaru wrote:

... My question might be a bit stupid since I know only a little about cropping ears...

But does anyone know if cropping ears affects the dog's ability to communicate with other dogs?
Since tail and ears are very important features in dog-to-dog communication, so I guess that if parts of them are cut off, it would have some effect....

VERY good and important question !!!!
Ears right up is a sign of dominance/ sure of himself, - and "no ears" ( laid back) is aggression

I am not sure about the tail...yes, perhaps, - tail op is dominance/sure of himself, but the tail is horisontal ( invisible from the front) when the dog is very aggressive.

The expression in the face also plays a major role...

SUSANNE wrote:

kristaru wrote:

... My question might be a bit stupid since I know only a little about cropping ears...

But does anyone know if cropping ears affects the dog's ability to communicate with other dogs?
Since tail and ears are very important features in dog-to-dog communication, so I guess that if parts of them are cut off, it would have some effect....

VERY good and important question !!!!
Ears right up is a sign of dominance/ sure of himself, - and "no ears" ( laid back) is aggression :roll:

I am not sure about the tail...yes, perhaps, - tail op is dominance/sure of himself, but the tail is horisontal ( invisible from the front) when the dog is very aggressive.

The expression in the face also plays a major role... :scratch:

And the tail between legs means submission... But if a dog doesn't have tail anymore, can it be misunderstood more easily among the other dogs??

Also.... Can the dogs with cropped ears move their ears as easily/freely as the ones with not cropped ears?

kristaru wrote:

Also.... Can the dogs with cropped ears move their ears as easily/freely as the ones with not cropped ears?

Yes they can, muscles on the head move the ears. They move them according to their mood, cropped or not...

I think natural ears are the best here. Rose ears in my opinion are the cutest. They just give a dog a very appealing and endearing look to them.

skysthelimit wrote:

kristaru wrote:

Also.... Can the dogs with cropped ears move their ears as easily/freely as the ones with not cropped ears?

Yes they can, muscles on the head move the ears. They move them according to their mood, cropped or not...

Okay, that's relieving. Thanks for informing me!

Wild canids(Wolves, coyotes, jackals, African wIld dogs, maned wolves, foxes etc.) all have ears that are for the most part standing up, with the ability to lower/fold them depending on their mood, just like dogs with cropped ears can. I feel it should be up to the owner, and makes the decision and wants to crop or not crop their dog, but I sure don't want the government telling me I can't! There are far more important issues for the government to worry about than cropping dogs ears.

kristaru wrote:

Thanks for informing me!

No problem, muscles in the base of the ears control movements...

skysthelimit wrote:

kristaru wrote:

Thanks for informing me!

No problem, muscles in the base of the ears control movements...

Yeah, I actually was aware of that... but I was worried if the ears are ... like .. sewn to point up by a surgery and because of that they wouldn't move as freely. But as I said, I know nothing about the cropping process...

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Wild canids(Wolves, coyotes, jackals, African wIld dogs, maned wolves, foxes etc.) all have ears that are for the most part standing up, with the ability to lower/fold them depending on their mood, just like dogs with cropped ears can. I feel it should be up to the owner, and makes the decision and wants to crop or not crop their dog, but I sure don't want the government telling me I can't! There are far more important issues for the government to worry about than cropping dogs ears.

With the exeption that the others' ears are standing up naturally and the others' aren't...

I don't wan't to argue with anyone, but I think it's a bit absurd that first we breed animals to have drop ears and then we want to make the ears stand up again... Considering that there already are multiple dog breeds with naturally pointed ears : /

kristaru wrote:

With the exeption that the others' ears are standing up naturally and the others' aren't...

I don't wan't to argue with anyone, but I think it's a bit absurd that first we breed animals to have drop ears and then we want to make the ears stand up again... Considering that there already are multiple dog breeds with naturally pointed ears : /

That is as spoken out of my heart

No, no, I understand you, I do not like to argue either, but it is ok to say what you mean, - and we are still all friends

kristaru wrote:

skysthelimit wrote:

kristaru wrote:

Thanks for informing me!

No problem, muscles in the base of the ears control movements...

Yeah, I actually was aware of that... but I was worried if the ears are ... like .. sewn to point up by a surgery and because of that they wouldn't move as freely. But as I said, I know nothing about the cropping process...

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Wild canids(Wolves, coyotes, jackals, African wIld dogs, maned wolves, foxes etc.) all have ears that are for the most part standing up, with the ability to lower/fold them depending on their mood, just like dogs with cropped ears can. I feel it should be up to the owner, and makes the decision and wants to crop or not crop their dog, but I sure don't want the government telling me I can't! There are far more important issues for the government to worry about than cropping dogs ears.

With the exeption that the others' ears are standing up naturally and the others' aren't...

I don't wan't to argue with anyone, but I think it's a bit absurd that first we breed animals to have drop ears and then we want to make the ears stand up again... Considering that there already are multiple dog breeds with naturally pointed ears : /

From some documentaries on dogs and domestication that I've watched I have heard that the dropped ears occured when we domesticated them.. The people breeding for tame foxes have had the same thing happening to their foxes, their ears started to drop and they became more puppy-like..like our dogs.
As for the vote I'd like to see Rose ears.. Though either way it doesn't bother me.

Thanks for your votes and comments everyone. Really good to see so many points and comments being made. I am not into dogs at all but I have learned some new things through this.

CollectA have listened and will progress with natural ears for 2013!

Thanks again.

YESSSSSS

Hurrayy for CollectA

Yippie!!!!!!!!!

Numaan wrote:

CollectA have listened and will progress with natural ears for 2013!

Yes, brands with natural ears, that listen to collectors, can progress much more than brands with cropped ears!
So I'm glad that CollectA will progress with natural ears.

Roger wrote:

Numaan wrote:

CollectA have listened and will progress with natural ears for 2013!

Yes, brands with natural ears, that listen to collectors, can progress much more than brands with cropped ears!

Yes, I can't wait for sale results in the US

pookyhorse wrote:

kristaru wrote:

skysthelimit wrote:

kristaru wrote:

Thanks for informing me!

No problem, muscles in the base of the ears control movements...

Yeah, I actually was aware of that... but I was worried if the ears are ... like .. sewn to point up by a surgery and because of that they wouldn't move as freely. But as I said, I know nothing about the cropping process...

Quote :

Wild canids(Wolves, coyotes, jackals, African wIld dogs, maned wolves, foxes etc.) all have ears that are for the most part standing up, with the ability to lower/fold them depending on their mood, just like dogs with cropped ears can. I feel it should be up to the owner, and makes the decision and wants to crop or not crop their dog, but I sure don't want the government telling me I can't! There are far more important issues for the government to worry about than cropping dogs ears.

With the exeption that the others' ears are standing up naturally and the others' aren't...

I don't wan't to argue with anyone, but I think it's a bit absurd that first we breed animals to have drop ears and then we want to make the ears stand up again... Considering that there already are multiple dog breeds with naturally pointed ears : /

From some documentaries on dogs and domestication that I've watched I have heard that the dropped ears occured when we domesticated them.. The people breeding for tame foxes have had the same thing happening to their foxes, their ears started to drop and they became more puppy-like..like our dogs.

I've actually watched those documentaries too! I think that genetics is really interesting subject!

And I was sooooooooooo obsessed with having a tame fox those days, haha :D



Also, great to hear that CollectA went for natural ears!

Wow, dog figures with uncropped natural ears, antelope/sheep/goat/deer(Hoofstock) figures, figures not made in "relative proportion" to each other, wow, figure collecting just isn't as fun anymore!
Hey CollectA, why won't you make two versions (cropped and uncropped)?

One red/white, one black/white, one with rose-ears, the other with cropped. Almost same mold, difference only in ears

Personally I think uncropped ears give the dog a very cute appearence! Thank you Collecta for listening to the consumers!

Cuteness can be very dangerous, look at recent Schleich's.

NATURAL! There is no point in mutilating pets for the stupid sake of fashion.

Natural ! Nothing else

OK, now some of us can say cropped, exclusively. It's done, we voted...

With some customizing...I will "crop" my natural ear figure to my liking ... So now it doesn't matter how the figure is made.