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PostSubject: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:55 am

Sorry about making everyone jump from page to page but this is a diorama build so I think it belongs here.

I have taken some photos, the first is the new building. It is much smaller then the workshop, the workshop is over 3000 square ft, I keep all of my woodworking tools and supplies there, it also used to house the African and Indian dioramas. We also have an indoor shooting range for handguns and small caliber long rifles, it is one of the most interesting things in the shop and it will give you an idea of how big 3000 sq ft is.

Anyway, here is the new diorama display barn, I call it a barn even though it is just a small building but I am going to paint it to match the two barns that are on the property.
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Here is the inside with the new table I built in place for the base of the diorama.
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For now this is the last shot, it is the table with the foam board that will be how I shape the landscape I am thinking of.
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Tomorrow I will carve out the river, it will be a lot bigger and deeper then the original dio, this one will have 3 types of river flow in it, there will be some deep, quite pools where some animals may be bathing, there will be an area of rockwork and some quick flow, and finally there will be some shallow areas where the summer or early fall water levels are low and the gravel and rocks are just barely wet.

Hope you enjoy these, as the build begins to shape I would love any comments or ideas, the less is done on the model the easier it is to get something added rather then have to take a bunch of pieces apart and redo the whole area.
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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:40 am

WOW! WOW! And WOW again affraid

This is serious business, - Holy macrel Shocked

Are you going to have several dioramas/habitats in there, or just one ?
What colour is the walls going to be ? There could be ( a) map(s) showing where the diorama is, perhaps?

It is SO exiting! I can`t wait to see how you proceed bounce bounce cheers
Thankyou very much for letting us in on this unique project sunny

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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:51 pm

Phantastic!! A own hobby house!! cheers cheers cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:57 am

I have done a little work on the diorama in the last few days. It has been my "down time" recently, not only do I enjoy it but it is how I have been unwinding after the day. I have been so busy with the live animals, making some palms for Amy (aandmkw) some for ebay but also there is a dollhouse show this weekend and a friends mother sells miniatures and she asked me to put some of my trees on the table with here other items, so I've been working on a group of larger trees. Most dollhouses are in 1:12 scale and all of the trees I make are 1:22 so they are a little too small for them.

Here is the progress up to now, in the second photo I put some bamboo up just to give it an interesting look.
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The black lines in the photo at the bottom are the level of the water, I use a laser level to try ot figure out where to put the bank, I decided to raise it up a little but I am not sure if that will work because with the slope the difference in the water level coming up the sand bank it too large.

Hope you enjoy and in the next few days I should be able to start putting the ground cover on.
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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:22 am

very promising Phil Very Happy I can't wait to see work in progress pics

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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:26 am

Arrrhw ! This is so exiting cheers

I hope you will show lots and lots of pictures as the landscape develops. Please ? Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:41 am

It has taken me a few days to get more work on the diorama, I went to my first miniature show, if you haven't gone to a miniature show I have to say it was very interesting! I sold some trees and had a great time, there were only a few animal (and except for my items there were very few plants or trees) dealers or artists, a lot of people had Schleich, many retired figures were available at reasonable prices so if you are a collector it may be worth going but it is NOT an animal figure highlight, especially if you are like me and want something different or custom.

Anyway, over the past few days I started casting extra rockwork, painting parts of the model like the river bottom and rockwork, things like that to get the landscape ready to start adding the ground foliage. Here are several shots of the progress, hope you enjoy...

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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:22 am

Looking fantastic Phil, can't wait to see more!

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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:25 am

This is enormously interesting to watch !!!!
So much attention to detail and so much work !

How do you know hat it must look like? Do you have photoes, or is it from a "picture" inside your mind ?

Like Harriet, I am very exited to see how it dvelops!
Thankyou very much for sharing flower

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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:24 pm

Phantastic Phil!! cheers cheers cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:46 am

Thanks everyone, I am really happy that you all like it, I will keep posting photos as I make major additions or changes. With that in mind, here is my next portion. It will take at least 6 steps to complete, I finished the first two today and here are some of the photos and explanation of what I am doing and the steps I will take to get the look I want. One thing that I hope you all get out of this is how it goes from something that is just rough looking to something that resembles a piece of nature to something that looks real by the end. Each step brings the dio closer to a realistic look but the interim steps look as if I will never get there!

For those of you who don't know my thought process I get many ideas from nature. When I am travelling I take tons of photos, or I see something that I remember and would like to incorporate into the diorama. Here is a photo of the creek by my house, I love the fact that at some point the tree across it fell but did not die, it now is a healthy tree that has grown across the creek and make a natural bridge that to me looks so fantastic that I wanted it in my diorama.
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This is the first vision on the original Indian dio, the tree was done by a sculptor who has done several of my trees before I began to make them myself. It was one of my first custom trees I ever ordered. I love the look and I decided to do it again on this diorama but the shape and height of the river bank would make this impossible so I had to think of another idea that would be an overhanging tree.
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Well, while in Hawaii I saw a lot of banyon and strangler figs and at one site they were growing into a cliff face with the roots hanging over and growing into the cracks in the rocks which in turn gave the tree the support it needed to grow. The tree was then growing over the cliff face and over hanging the bank. It would have made an impressive display but I had no reason to change the diorama at the time so this seemed like the perfect situation to try to make my vision of the fig on a rockface.

First I made the wire tree frame itself, and separately I made the roots. Once that was done I began to put the bulk of wood (clay) on the frame, this is what I have done so far, after this sets and is dry I will make the bark and sculpt all of the details. After that the tree will be painted and once that is done I can begin to combine the roots to the tree. I couldn't do it all as one piece because the roots have to grab onto the rocks and grow into the surrounding dirt. Here are a couple of photos of where I ended today.
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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:02 am

I had a little extra time today so I did another step in building the tree, I added the bark and roots as well as painted it. Here are a two photos of the tree today, tomorrow or the next day I'll start to add the foliage.
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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:10 pm

Cant wait to see all!! bounce bounce cheers cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:34 pm

It's great to see the progress in Your wonderful project Phil! Thank You for sharing Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:31 pm

It's looking amazing, I love seeing photos of your progress too cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:51 pm

the tree (and its roots) are really awesome Phil! It's great that you're sharing the progress of this with the forum; it's a lot of fun to watch. Thank you!
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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:48 am

I have been doing some work on the Indian diorama, it has been slow going for several reasons but I finally finished the tree and added some details to the riverbank and shoreline. Here are a few photos of the progress so far.
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I still have to paint the fallen stones to match the rock work, clean up the loose pieces and start laying the river rock in the bottom of the river before I start to fill the water in. I also have to finish the mud bank on the left side between the hard rock that is showing and then plant the bank. I did lay some of the grass that is growing up the dirt areas of the hillside, I also have to add all of the plants that will populate the cliff side and waters edge, right now I have several different types of reeds and some water loving palm species that I'm going to use.
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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:08 am

It is AWESOME Shocked

The way the roots cling to the rock ! And the fallen stones ! cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:36 pm

your diorama will be very realistic. cheers bounce
I want to make one but I cannot find material ,nowhere. pale
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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:56 pm

It is fantastic when such a talented person shares the progress of his work with others! cheers
Everything is looking so perfect and promissing! What a Face

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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:16 pm

Very good development Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:16 am

Thank you everyone, I am so glad you all like it and enjoy following along with the build. I have had a great time building the things I see in photos and from my travels and I love to recreate them in miniature. I am trying to decide if I should finish the cliff base and plant it or if I should begin to finish the rest of the terrain before I start to add the plants.

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your diorama will be very realistic. cheers bounce
I want to make one but I cannot find material ,nowhere. pale
PM me and I'll get you to the correct websites to purchase the supplies you will need, the main thing to remember is everything I make is from scratch, I don't buy kits or pre-made items normally I just buy the supplies and make it myself. There are a lot of placed including ebay that have ready made plants and materials that make really nice dioramas. I enjoy making the trees and scenes myself and I do it all from imagination and photos of different plants. I start the trees with a species in mind and then they are made of wire and clay, I just sculpt the tree like it was any other animal figure except it is much easier to make a plant then an animal because there is no such thing as a mistake when making branches. The foliage is also bought as a preserved natural material that I airbrush the colors I need so I just have to paint, cut and shape it then glue it to the frame of the tree. I have been helping Amy (aandmkw) with tips and advice, she has posted some of her trees and plants here on STS.

Landscaping and rock work is the same, for the grass I use bleached horse hair or goats hair that is then dyed the colors I want and cut to the correct length. On the rocks I either use a mold made out of silicon rubber and pour light weight hydrocast (a type of plaster) or I sculpt some of the individual rocks by hand out of clay, either way the end results are what you see in the photos when I'm done painting them.

There is a pair of books by OSPREY MASTERCLASS, called TERRAIN MODELLING and it's sequel ADVANCED TERRAIN MODELLING by Richard Windrow that are fantastic as far as ideas and help with actual techniques and supplies. I wish I had them when I started, I just recently got copies of both. I learned the hard way by wasting a lot of time and supplies (ie money) and making mistakes to find out what didn't work more often then what worked.
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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:14 am

At last, we are going of on a new trip to India Very Happy

Everything is said about the fallen rocks, the beautiful tree and roots, the great grasses... Cool

So I will speak about the travel itself. I like the way you show us the building of your dio. I love you
It is like going to India by train or boat, we have time to think about it, we can build our dream and thought before you say: We have reached your holiday destination, the company hope you have a good travel with us...

Thank you cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:16 pm

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Thank you everyone, I am so glad you all like it and enjoy following along with the build. I have had a great time building the things I see in photos and from my travels and I love to recreate them in miniature. I am trying to decide if I should finish the cliff base and plant it or if I should begin to finish the rest of the terrain before I start to add the plants.

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your diorama will be very realistic. cheers bounce
I want to make one but I cannot find material ,nowhere. pale
PM me and I'll get you to the correct websites to purchase the supplies you will need, the main thing to remember is everything I make is from scratch, I don't buy kits or pre-made items normally I just buy the supplies and make it myself. There are a lot of placed including ebay that have ready made plants and materials that make really nice dioramas. I enjoy making the trees and scenes myself and I do it all from imagination and photos of different plants. I start the trees with a species in mind and then they are made of wire and clay, I just sculpt the tree like it was any other animal figure except it is much easier to make a plant then an animal because there is no such thing as a mistake when making branches. The foliage is also bought as a preserved natural material that I airbrush the colors I need so I just have to paint, cut and shape it then glue it to the frame of the tree. I have been helping Amy (aandmkw) with tips and advice, she has posted some of her trees and plants here on STS.

Landscaping and rock work is the same, for the grass I use bleached horse hair or goats hair that is then dyed the colors I want and cut to the correct length. On the rocks I either use a mold made out of silicon rubber and pour light weight hydrocast (a type of plaster) or I sculpt some of the individual rocks by hand out of clay, either way the end results are what you see in the photos when I'm done painting them.

There is a pair of books by OSPREY MASTERCLASS, called TERRAIN MODELLING and it's sequel ADVANCED TERRAIN MODELLING by Richard Windrow that are fantastic as far as ideas and help with actual techniques and supplies. I wish I had them when I started, I just recently got copies of both. I learned the hard way by wasting a lot of time and supplies (ie money) and making mistakes to find out what didn't work more often then what worked.

Thank you very much cheers for giving me tips to make a diorama.
I have been very helpful sunny
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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:17 pm

I did a little more work on the terrain, I added more grass and painted the rubble at the bottom of the hill. Here are a few more photos...

Painted rubble.
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Some ivy growing up the rockface.
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The beginnings of the grassy area of the diorama.
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Except for the fig on the hillside the trees are not attached to the base at this point, I just put them up to give the photos some interesting scenery. As soon as I finish both riverbanks terrain I'll start to pour the water, when that is done I will begin to attach the plants to the base where they will be permanently displayed.
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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:08 pm

I love the ivy! It's looking fantastic, the rocks are so realistic.

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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:59 pm

Wonderful king cheers

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PostSubject: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:21 pm

Omg,I loved it!!!!!
If only I had the right stuff to build something like this masterpiece.I've always wanted to do something like this for years but I never could.
You have inspired me to make my own little diorama.


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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:27 pm

Amazing, Shocked how you are being affraid
It is very realistic Very Happy
Congrtas cheers cheers
I really want to SEE THE FINISHED DIORAMA bounce bounce bounce bounce
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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:10 pm

Álvaro/schleich wrote:
Amazing, Shocked how you are being affraid
It is very realistic Very Happy
Congrtas cheers cheers
I really want to SEE THE FINISHED DIORAMA bounce bounce bounce bounce


I hope we will see more pics before Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:50 pm

...You are the real artist Phill!!! bounce bounce bounce bounce cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:24 pm

__________A little world where the animals can live in peace !____________ drunken [b]
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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:43 pm

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I hope we will see more pics before Wink
While I have been busy with several other projects (which are not all animal figure related) I have managed to do a little more work on the diorama and Kiki, you asked for more photos so here you go...

My idea is a slow moving stream at the end of the dry season where the water level is the lowest and the stream is just about still with the low water. Coming into the stream on the right is a feeder creek that has gone dry except for a few small, deep spots that are still supporting some algae and duck weed filled holes of water.
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__________A little world where the animals can live in peace !____________ drunken [b]
"Peace" might be a little wishful as I have several ideas that involve predatory figures hunting some of my hoofed figures! As in nature, everyone has to eat.
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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:46 pm

Great work Phil cheers cheers cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:58 am

I also added the first layer of water and algae to the stream, basically this is a layer of sealer, when I start adding the bulk of the water I can't have it leaking all over the model and floor of the new space so I put a thin layer of Magic Water down first and this will seal any leaks and cracks so when the rest of the water goes I have a barrier to help keep it in place while it hardens. Here are a couple of photos, the algae and other aquatic plants will be 3 dimensional so I have to add it as I pour each layer of water, otherwise it will just sink to the bottom and look like it is just growing along the rocks, I want algae and plants that are growing up into the stream so each layer of water will have it's own layer of plants as well.

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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:35 am

Great pics and great work Phil Cool

I didn't know it is so tricky to make a river with algae king

I hope we will see more pics soon, especially a pic of the whole scene Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:56 am

I have been really busy with so many different things I can't list them all! One thing I can tell you all about is the Indian dio, I started to plant the main stream with reeds, lotus plants and algae. I have also poured about half of the water. Here are some photos.

First are a few of the stream and plants.
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I have finally put my lotus plant to go.
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I also added some seepage to the rock face. The water has saturated the ground and gravity is doing it's thing, allowing the water to seep through the rocks and back into the stream.
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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:39 am

Wonderful!!! cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers

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PostSubject: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:27 am


Super,Super Super :)


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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:13 pm

Thank you all for your kind words and support on this, it is very time consuming and at times frustrating. I have just noticed that with the flash and magnification of the pictures all of the little errors and missed paint spots! When you are standing there you do not see things like the crack and unpainted undercuts like in the seepage/lotus photo here...
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At least it let's me know where I have kto go over the landscaping.

I have also done a few smaller bird species for the model, here is a pair of whitebellied treepies.
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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:13 am

Yes, Phil! Good cameras are cruel! But I belieeve nobody is paying atention to the little cracks or so! Everything is so magnificent, detailed and with a supreme talent, knowledge and good taste that we can only have very good feelings watching and following your projects! Again... thanks for sharing with us! Very Happy cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:19 am

WOW, CONGRATS Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers affraid
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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:46 am

The detail you put in is awesome Phil and I love the lotus plants, it's all so wonderful!

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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:07 pm

While my life has not gotten less busy or hectic I relax and unwind myself by working on my dioramas so I have actually done a lot in the last week or two. I painted the back board, planted the back side of the stream, and added all of the ground cover that will be open, the bulk of the base will be forested which means dirt and dead fall, not grasses and live plants.

Here are some photos of the progress...
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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:13 pm

And again Phil

Very very wonderful!! cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Thu Aug 16, 2012 2:34 pm

Wow,Congrats again cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:33 pm

Oh Phil, it looks so beautiful, a little paradise!

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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:53 pm

It is amazing cheers I can't wait to see animals in it
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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:30 pm

I mentioned above that I had started the background, here are a few photos of what I am making. Right now there is very little detail, the rockface is done but the top is just a flat surface. I intend to hide most of this behind the forested area but I was very concerned with any part of the background that could be seen. Also Harriet made a female sloth bear and cub and I was thinking of her when I made the caves in the center of the piece, I also had the thought to put her there so I made a flatter area in front for her to sit with her cub.

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I still have a lot to go, I have just started planting the rockface and hillside. I have several more species that will be growing in the dirt on the hillside, and at least 3 more large trees in front along with all of the smaller trees that will be growing on the forested area. I will also use all of the flatter areas of the hill to plant some really neat display trees that I have done as single specimens.
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PostSubject: Re: Indian remodel in the new building continued...   Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:04 am

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