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Thanks for your pics! You have a nice collection and someone showing pandas!
Some days ago I was asking about the nicest tiger of 5 main brands and people in this forum told me that the Papo walking tiger is actually the best of the market. I'm still waiting form mine!!!

Roger wrote:

Thanks for your pics! You have a nice collection and someone showing pandas!
Some days ago I was asking about the nicest tiger of 5 main brands and people in this forum told me that the Papo walking tiger is actually the best of the market. I'm still waiting form mine!!!

I,m agree! And I think Papos,s jaguars the best too! In general Papo,s wild cats are the best (dinamic, plastic models), but Schleich has the best horses, dogs, giraffas, elephants and many others...

Sergey wrote:

I,m agree! And I think Papos,s jaguars the best too! In general Papo,s wild cats are the best (dinamic, plastic models), but Schleich has the best horses, dogs, giraffas, elephants and many others...

I also think, like a lot here that Papo's wild cats are the best. But, about the jaguar, some here convinced me that the Scleich one is more realistic... It's true ! The Papo I loved have got a too long tail and is not bulky enough... But it is so alive .

I don't like too much the Schleich elephants, IMHO they are too chubby, with chubby tails. Among the modern manufacturers, I prefer the Papos or the Bullylands

Kikimalou wrote:

Sergey wrote:

I,m agree! And I think Papos,s jaguars the best too! In general Papo,s wild cats are the best (dinamic, plastic models), but Schleich has the best horses, dogs, giraffas, elephants and many others...

I also think, like a lot here that Papo's wild cats are the best. But, about the jaguar, some here convinced me that the Scleich one is more realistic... It's true ! The Papo I loved have got a too long tail and is not bulky enough... But it is so alive .

I don't like too much the Schleich elephants, IMHO they are too chubby, with chubby tails. Among the modern manufacturers, I prefer the Papos or the Bullylands

...Oh I had forget! The best elephant is elephant from "Vanish Collection" by Safari Ltd. I had see it on Admin,s display not long ago! "Das is fantastish!"

I have the Schleich Jaguar and I think that in general is good. But I think the sculpting is correct in proportions but poor in details, without muscles look at the legs, mainly back legs! I know that jags are massive but it is some fat... the Papos seems to have a long tail like a leopard and shouldn't have but the body sculpting looks nice... but I need to have one in my hands...
About Schleich Asian elephants I think they are outdated and it's some strange the brown colouring in the African... or maybe I'm wrong!

Roger wrote:

I have the Schleich Jaguar and I think that in general is good. But I think the sculpting is correct in proportions but poor in details, without muscles look at the legs, mainly back legs! I know that jags are massive but it is some fat... the Papos seems to have a long tail like a leopard and shouldn't have but the body sculpting looks nice... but I need to have one in my hands...
About Schleich Asian elephants I think they are outdated and it's some strange the brown colouring in the African... or maybe I'm wrong!

...By the way - I,m agree in general that Papo,s jaguar more like leopard from zoological morphology... May be it, s mistake?

Sergey wrote:

...By the way - I,m agree in general that Papo,s jaguar more like leopard from zoological morphology... Ma be it, s mistake?

With a good painting it could be a very fine clouded leopard

Christophe, painting ideas are nice for painters but in this jaguar we had to rebuilt it, again the tail... and scale!
The painting of the Papo jaguar is of a jaguar, the sculpting looks really very near of a leopard, longer legs, smaller head but I only know it from catalogue and web!

Kikimalou wrote:

Sergey wrote:

I,m agree! And I think Papos,s jaguars the best too! In general Papo,s wild cats are the best (dinamic, plastic models), but Schleich has the best horses, dogs, giraffas, elephants and many others...

I also think, like a lot here that Papo's wild cats are the best. But, about the jaguar, some here convinced me that the Scleich one is more realistic... It's true ! The Papo I loved have got a too long tail and is not bulky enough... But it is so alive .

I don't like too much the Schleich elephants, IMHO they are too chubby, with chubby tails. Among the modern manufacturers, I prefer the Papos or the Bullylands

... By the way about "chubby"... Exactly Schleich,s jaguar is jaguar on zoological morphology...But! It,s "chubby", sleek, fat and very statical... Is it right?

There's still the Safari Jaguar, in catalogue looks very massive and with a similar shape to Schleich one. The pose is slightly different, is more dynamic because it's a walking pose. But, like Papo one I never had it in my hands. Maybe Christophe could help us in this question with its fabulous pics

Sergey wrote:

... By the way about "chubby"... Exactly Schleich,s jaguar is jaguar on zoological morphology...But! It,s "chubby", sleek, fat and very statical... Is it right?

It's true Sergey and I must say I'm not a fan of Schleich wild cats but I changed my mind for the jaguar because of zoological morphology considerations
It's more a jaguar, even chubby, than the Papo, even not chubby and so alive...

Roger wrote:

There's still the Safari Jaguar, in catalogue looks very massive and with a similar shape to Schleich one. The pose is slightly different, is more dynamic because it's a walking pose. But, like Papo one I never had it in my hands. Maybe Christophe could help us in this question with its fabulous pics

Thanks for the "fabulous pics" Roger

Alas i don't have the Safari one But here are some pics of the Papo and Schleich together.

Kikimalou wrote:

Sergey wrote:

... By the way about "chubby"... Exactly Schleich,s jaguar is jaguar on zoological morphology...But! It,s "chubby", sleek, fat and very statical... Is it right?

It's true Sergey and I must say I'm not a fan of Schleich wild cats but I changed my mind for the jaguar because of zoological morphology considerations
It's more a jaguar, even chubby, than the Papo, even not chubby and so alive...

Roger wrote:

There's still the Safari Jaguar, in catalogue looks very massive and with a similar shape to Schleich one. The pose is slightly different, is more dynamic because it's a walking pose. But, like Papo one I never had it in my hands. Maybe Christophe could help us in this question with its fabulous pics

Thanks for the "fabulous pics" Roger

Alas i don't have the Safari one But here are some pics of the Papo and Schleich together.

...Thank you very murch, "Kiki" for your nice pics of jagurs!!!

Here one more with Safari Jaguar.

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Thanks Christophe and Ken!!!
This pics are very helpful! For me the general shape of a figurine is the most important point. I have no doubt that Papo has not a jaguar sculpting but I don't know why it is very beautifull! I'm confused but first is the shape. When I look at a pig with a zebra painting what I see is a pig and not a zebra!
And Ken... what about your oppinion???

Roger wrote:

Thanks Christophe and Ken!!!
This pics are very helpful! For me the general shape of a figurine is the most important point. I have no doubt that Papo has not a jaguar sculpting but I don't know why it is very beautifull! I'm confused but first is the shape. When I look at a pig with a zebra painting what I see is a pig and not a zebra!
And Ken... what about your oppinion???

...Papo,s jaguar-leopard is very beautifull because... it most plastic, muscular, dinamic! But realy... LEOPARD! I had buy two at once all the same!

Sergey wrote:

Roger wrote:

Thanks Christophe and Ken!!!
This pics are very helpful! For me the general shape of a figurine is the most important point. I have no doubt that Papo has not a jaguar sculpting but I don't know why it is very beautifull! I'm confused but first is the shape. When I look at a pig with a zebra painting what I see is a pig and not a zebra!
And Ken... what about your oppinion???

...Papo,s jaguar-leopard is very beautifull because... it most plastic, muscular, dinamic! But realy... LEOPARD! I had buy two at once all the same!

all the while I thought "Papo" Jaguar never expect to be something else and maybe the head is a bit small

My wife saw the pics with the jags faces and said... "you are comparing a toy (Schleich) with a collectible (Papo)!!!"
Maybe like Sergey is saying we have a nice toy of a Jaguar and a very graceful leopard!!!

Roger wrote:

My wife saw the pics with the jags faces and said... "you are comparing a toy (Schleich) with a collectible (Papo)!!!"
Maybe like Sergey is saying we have a nice toy of a Jaguar and a very graceful leopard!!!

A very graceful leopard with a bad jaguar painting.

Again, since the Papo jaguar is smaller than the leopard it could do a fantastic repainted clouded leopard

Again, since the Papo jaguar is smaller than the leopard it could do a fantastic repainted clouded leopard [/quote]

Well! I have an idea for a clouded leopard.
The 100 users from this forum change the age for about 8 or ten years old and as most of us want a clouded, maybe Schleich will pay atention because children is its market!

Roger wrote:

Well! I have an idea for a clouded leopard.
The 100 users from this forum change the age for about 8 or ten years old and as most of us want a clouded, maybe Schleich will pay atention because children is its market!

But I don't want a Schleich chubby clouded leopard. I need a Papo one

Kikimalou wrote:

Roger wrote:

My wife saw the pics with the jags faces and said... "you are comparing a toy (Schleich) with a collectible (Papo)!!!"
Maybe like Sergey is saying we have a nice toy of a Jaguar and a very graceful leopard!!!

A very graceful leopard with a bad jaguar painting.

Again, since the Papo jaguar is smaller than the leopard it could do a fantastic repainted clouded leopard

That's a great idea Christophe, I'd really like to try that

Roger wrote:

Well! I have an idea for a clouded leopard.
The 100 users from this forum change the age for about 8 or ten years old and as most of us want a clouded, maybe Schleich will pay atention because children is its market!

That's what I call an extraordinary marketing solution! And pro-active approach. :)

Kiryuha wrote:

Roger wrote:

Well! I have an idea for a clouded leopard.
The 100 users from this forum change the age for about 8 or ten years old and as most of us want a clouded, maybe Schleich will pay atention because children is its market!

That's what I call an extraordinary marketing solution! And pro-active approach. :)

We should let them know!

I was about to start a new topic complaining a little about the Papo Jaguar. However, I decided to wait and start by searching past STS threads in case my complaint had been raised and discussed already. And as it turns it out, it has. (It's been discussed several places in fact, but primarily here on this thread.) So instead of creating a new thread, I'll just tack my complaints onto this one, so that most of the discussion about this issue is contained in one place. Unfortunately for me, that means that most everything I'm about to say has already been said earlier in this thread. Even the photos I prepared are repetitive. Oh well...(indulge me).

The complaint is basically that the Papo Jaguar -- despite how absolutely beautiful a figure it is -- does not seem to possess the physical traits characteristic of a jaguar. I'm thinking, in particular, about its physical proportions: compared with a leopard, the jaguar has a larger head relative to its body, a shorter tail, and is more stocky and compact. The Papo Jaguar (again, while a lovely sculpt) is basically, to my eyes, a Leopard painted to look like a Jaguar.

A picture of the Papo Jaguar, with pictures of Leopards after:

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leopards:
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now some JAGUARS.

first jaguar

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another jaguar
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and finally, notice how much better Schleich and Safari's Jaguars capture the correct proportions.

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I think the Papo Leopard (the stalking sculpt not pictured here) is possibly the best Leopard on the market. But if they re-painted their Jaguar as a Leopard, and did it right, they'd have an even better Leopard figure and by far the best I've seen. That would also open up a space in their catalog for a new Jaguar and it would be wonderful to see what they would come up with. Papo, are you listening?.... (sigh. I didn't think so.)

I agree with you Scott. I also raised this matter in the past and I refuse to have this incorrect figure in my collection.

Scott, that was also always my oppinion and there's no problem at all bringing it back again. :)
I also wished to see someone repainting it in a leopard. I don't know if it would turn in a perfect leopard but surely more close to reality than with a jaguar. Anytime I see this cat in a shop I think in how beautiful it is but never bought it just because of the reasons you told before. My jaguar is the Schleich one. Maybe the only thing I don't like in Schleich figure is the poor texture, in fur and also a lack of muscular expression. I believe the almost plain texture was to turn the painting easier in terms of manofacturing process.
Although it is an excelent idea and Papo loves to reuse their resources, I don't believe they will repaint it in a leopard to replace other version and later introduce a new jaguar. Safari jaguar looks also morphologically very good as well as Mojo's leopard have a good conformation.
Honestly, judging the fantastic work that Mojo and CollectA are making and seeing that a jaguar is not present in their ranges, my hope goes to these brands.

Probably it's time for Papo to make a more precise proportion on Jaguar. It there can make a tiger and lioness so success and just puzzle why Jaguar doesn't seen to fit the bill.

My point is still the same : Since this one is smaller than PAPO leopard, it could be a fine clouded leopard

Gabe wrote:

I agree with you Scott. I also raised this matter in the past and I refuse to have this incorrect figure in my collection.

Thanks Gabe. I do love the Papo sculpting, but I understand entirely why you won't get it. I almost didn't get it myself.

Roger wrote:

I also wished to see someone repainting it in a leopard. I don't know if it would turn in a perfect leopard but surely more close to reality than with a jaguar.

I would love to see that too. Harriet would do a wonderful job.

Roger wrote:

My jaguar is the Schleich one. Maybe the only thing I don't like in Schleich figure is the poor texture, in fur and also a lack of muscular expression.

Although it is an excelent idea and Papo loves to reuse their resources, I don't believe they will repaint it in a leopard to replace other version and later introduce a new jaguar.

I agree with you on both counts Roger: my favorite is the Schleich. In fact, I don't even have the complaints that you do; I just adore that figure. I think you are right, though, that Papo would never do what I wish they would do. There's no profit in it, and a lot of cost. Financially, it makes no sense. It only makes sense to a weird, obsessive collector like me.

ken yeo wrote:

Probably it's time for Papo to make a more precise proportion on Jaguar. It there can make a tiger and lioness so success and just puzzle why Jaguar doesn't seen to fit the bill.

I really wish they would Ken. A papo jaguar as good as their lioness or tiger would be amazing!

Kikimalou wrote:

My point is still the same : Since this one is smaller than PAPO leopard, it could be a fine clouded leopard

Christophe, I think this is a great point (and I thought so when I read the thread earlier). If Harriet and/or Anna had unlimited time and resources, maybe they could paint one as a leopard and another as a clouded leopard. I would love to see the results.

Maybe it's a lepjag - that is, a leopard/jaguar hybrid? I'm only half kidding... odds are these crosses can be as morphologically diverse as ligers and tigons.

I've been thinking of repainting mine, but it's just so dang beautiful! (Plus spots are really hard to paint...)

I agree with you Scott!