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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:30 pm

Beautiful model! Another interesting mate for my quagga hehe!

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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:38 pm

A great news for collectors, at last a quagga ! It becomes very usual to see new unusual species isn't it Laughing
Thank you Eg... MOJÖ and Anna for this great newcomers.
Seijun your comment is very interesting and now I can't wait to see the quagga nostrils in real. Or maybe Anna could ask ?
About the shape of the head, it is really difficult to tell. some pics are saying you are right and some Anna is right.





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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:22 am

Even with the zebra I think the head is still much different. The quagga was a subspecies of the Plains zebra. The nostrils again are on the sides, not the very front, and the profile of the muzzle is still much rounder (on all equines, the nostrils are on the sides--in a very extreme case, for instance if the animal is moving at a high speed and breathing in strongly, the nostrils might appear more forward and the muzzle might appear more flat).

Ana, thank you for the picture. You are right that the chin on those three is much closer to yours. I imagine it is affected by how relaxed the animal's jaw is.

Another thing worth noting is also the angle of the mouth. The mouths when relaxed will not be in a level line like on the Mojo model. Instead they will rest at a definite angle. This is a very common mistake on model equines.








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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:59 am

Oh... what can I say?? This is a hige surprise and wonderful model!!! thank you Anna!!! Sad(o)): Sad(o)): Sad(o)):

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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:04 am

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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:29 am

Congrats Anna! you are a star now!! cheers sunny sunny sunny
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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:13 am

I'm glad Joan mentioned the Zorse, since the first thing I thought when I saw this marvelous figure is that it puts the Papo Zorse to shame. (And I want to point out that I actually quite like that Papo figure. When Susanne first introduced a thread with some pictures of it, I was enthusiastic about the model.) The Papo Zorse is a very "toyish" model and I thought this really worked to its advantage and made it very appealing. But this Quagga is on a wholly different level! It is absolutely fantastic! Seriously, Anna, you are really working wonders this year; I can't tell you how impressed I am.

I especially love the hint of tension in the back right leg -- it is lifted up ever so slightly. It is such a lovely pose and a beautifully sculpted animal! I can hardly wait to purchase it!

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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:48 am

It's amazing, Anna.

t's very satisfying to see what both Mojo and Collecta have to offer this year. I never imagined I'd own a quagga that wasn't some sort of custom piece. I wouldn't even have had the imagination to include it on a wishlist.
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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:04 am

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Kikimalou: My opinion is that a taxidermy animal should never be used as reference for sculpting a mammal, except perhaps for referencing fur markings. In most cases, the skin is the only part of the mount that was on the original animal. A form underneath is responsible for giving the skin it's shape. The form is made of foam in modern times, but before foam was invented they probably used wood, shavings, stuffing, etc to shape the skin into what they thought was correct. Basically, when you look at a taxidermy mammal you are looking at someones sculpture of the mammal with the skin stretched over it. As with any sculpture, the quality varies based on both the skill and knowledge of the artist. For some example s of truly horrible taxidermy jobs, see here: http://taxi-derpy.tumblr.com/

You are right Seijun, thank you for the odd link ! I don't know for you but i feel a bit sick when I look at those monsters What a Face

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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:59 am

Thank You for all the the kind words Silvia, Martin, Paige, Ken, Scott, Nyarlahotep and Kiki!! sunny sunny sunny

Seujin I will ask in Mojo if the shape of nostrils and mouth line can be worked before the final production. Thank You for very interesting input and I will surely remember about it also in any future work. :)

About chin shape however, well, as far as I know and could observe, the shape differ, some specimens have flatter one, at least that what I saw on photos of zebras or in the zoos and also on different horses I knew. Somehow I don't think this shape depend only on animal mood. I remember the book of Linda T. Jones , author who collected info about many different shapes of horse head (well for quite surprising purpose, I don't really believe in her theories about connection between horse face and character but it was fun to read) anyway, I remember pages in this book showing several different chin shapes, including very flat ones. So one of thoughts where I do agree with Linda is the fact that horses (so zabras, donkeys and many more) head shapes and faces are very diverse. :)

Thank You also for the scary taxidermy link, what a monsters indeed!!! affraid affraid

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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:59 am

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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:14 am

@ana wrote:

About chin shape however, well, as far as I know and could observe, the shape differ, some specimens have flatter one, at least that what I saw on photos of zebras or in the zoos and also on different horses I knew. Somehow I don't think this shape depend only on animal mood. I remember the book of Linda T. Jones , author who collected info about many different shapes of horse head (well for quite surprising purpose, I don't really believe in her theories about connection between horse face and character but it was fun to read) anyway, I remember pages in this book showing several different chin shapes, including very flat ones. So one of thoughts where I do agree with Linda is the fact that horses (so zabras, donkeys and many more) head shapes and faces are very diverse. :)

I agree that head shapes are very diverse in equines. I think re-angling the mouth and changing the nostril position would improve the Mojo model much more than a change to the chin. I am probably just bias towards a stronger chin :) Do you know the name of this book of which you speak? It sounds like something I would love to have in my collection of reference material.


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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:25 am

@Seijun wrote:
@ana wrote:

About chin shape however, well, as far as I know and could observe, the shape differ, some specimens have flatter one, at least that what I saw on photos of zebras or in the zoos and also on different horses I knew. Somehow I don't think this shape depend only on animal mood. I remember the book of Linda T. Jones , author who collected info about many different shapes of horse head (well for quite surprising purpose, I don't really believe in her theories about connection between horse face and character but it was fun to read) anyway, I remember pages in this book showing several different chin shapes, including very flat ones. So one of thoughts where I do agree with Linda is the fact that horses (so zabras, donkeys and many more) head shapes and faces are very diverse. :)

I agree that head shapes are very diverse in equines. I think re-angling the mouth and changing the nostril position would improve the Mojo model much more than a change to the chin. I am probably just bias towards a stronger chin :) Do you know the name of this book of which you speak? It sounds like something I would love to have in my collection of reference material.




I just asked Mojo and there is strong chance to rework nostrils and mouth shapes yet. I think it will be done :)

About book, it was interesting, first part is mainly about head shapes, second half of it is about simple massage and some exercises (and it seemed to work nice to relax some horses indeed ^^) Here is cover of this book: CLICK

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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:35 am

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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:30 pm

Another must have for 2013!!!Great model!!
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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:33 pm

Thank you! I love the figure! He will fit right end with my zebra herd and the zorse!
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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:26 pm

WOW! I should be in bed right now (it's 7:23 am in Bartlesville Oklahoma) but i thought I'd swing by the forum before I retire and WHAAAATTT??? A QUAGGA? affraid cheers cheers cheers YES! Amazing work! thank you, thank you, thank you! I've loved Quaga since reading the book "The Katturaan Osdysey," there's a funny and pompous but brave Quagga in it by the name of Quigga. I already have the little K&M extinct animal Quagga, and now i'll have this wonderful stallion to be with him. Picking up that Zorse as well! Well, g'night all! zzzzzzz Sleep
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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:34 pm

Yeah! Great choice, and beautiful work Anna! I didn't expect a Quagga, now I hope to see Thylacine and Dodo in the next years cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:44 pm

I bet it's the Playvisions quagga. K & M sometimes has the same molds.
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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:47 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:07 pm

Happy to hear You like this species and figure of it!!! Thanks for all the nice words about it!!! cheers sunny cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:09 pm

@ana wrote:
I just asked Mojo and there is strong chance to rework nostrils and mouth shapes yet. I think it will be done :)

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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:31 pm

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It's amazing, Anna.

t's very satisfying to see what both Mojo and Collecta have to offer this year. I never imagined I'd own a quagga that wasn't some sort of custom piece. I wouldn't even have had the imagination to include it on a wishlist.

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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:28 pm

Beautiful, very beautiful. Hopefully having an easier Quagga model to buy will get more publicity for the Quagga project, as I am very interested in that project.
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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:43 pm

So beautiful! Fantastic work Ana! drunken Sad(o)):

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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:41 am

It's an excellent choice!

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I just asked Mojo and there is strong chance to rework nostrils and mouth shapes yet. I think it will be done :)

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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:54 am

For my own part, I think the nostrils and the mouth shape are quite lovely as they are now. (But I may be struggling to see some subtle issue that is quite real.) I just mean to say that Quagga is really gorgeous and it strikes me as an impressively faithful representation of that animal.

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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:45 am

Dear Ana,

the choice of this unique animal by Mojo and your great job are pure happiness to me sunny sunny
Just one thing: in th old lithographs and drawings I always set my PERSONAL imagination that the quagga is a three-colored animal......do you think that in the final production some black stripes will be added on its neck and mane?
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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:50 pm

Sometimes I try to understand why none of other brands released a quagga once zebras are very popular animals. Also, they can make it cheap repainting an existing mould of a zebra. scratch
My conclusion could be silly but I think that a certain point, some of the managers think that for many customers it can look as a zebra badly painted! Laughing Well, maybe some managers don't think we all are like this! Very Happy
Well, unless Mojo doesn't think it and we have finally a quagga, an animal that has a lot to teach to new and old generations. Also in a completely different mold from the Mojo zebra and with a not impressive but very delicate pose. I like it very much, congratulations to Ana and Mojo! cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:03 am

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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:30 am

It's excellent, you are so talented Anna cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:21 am

This was one of the models i didn't saw yet from Möjo for 2013...
So when i saw the name over the tread, i was very exited, as many of you know, i am a big zebra-fan, and i know quit a bit about them...

But when i saw the pictures, i was very dis-appointed to be honest, i can't see anything else then a striped pony in the picture..
Sorry Ania, i know you can do so much better then this!(maybe time-pressure does this...?)
You know that i am one of your biggest fans, but one of the biggest criticasters for that to...
The complete shape of the animal is more or less annoying me, the head isn't right like Seijun said before, the body is to chubby and short, for me it has nothing of the natural elegance of a zebra...
Sorry if it hurts, but i rather be honest, then not... Laughing
For me, those re-panits of Yurumi of the latest Schleichzebra's are still the best.

I agree that you can't model from a dead animal, specially no older samples, there are only pics of two quagga's alive around as far as i know, one from the Lodon Zoo, and one From Artis the Amsterdam Zoo.

About the idea, yes, that was a very good one! cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Tue Dec 18, 2012 9:39 am

Thank You for Your comments Lucky Luc, Rio, Kelsey, Donny, Scott, Paolo, Roger, Paka, Agata and Willy! Very Happy

Willy, I'm happy You found time to review this figure. And glad You like species choice. It's also great to see You came back to forum :)

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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:32 pm

I don't care if it's correct or not, I like it very much. It's like a painting or a song, you just like it or you don't no matter what other people say. You can't force yourself to like or not like something. Some people on this forum like Schleich, some like Mojo, well I like them both. There are two things that annoy me with both brands, Schleich's range of animals and Mojo's distribution (well that goes for all the brands in my country except Schleich). This Quagga is my 3rd most wanted Mojo of 2013 after Tapir and Stoat!

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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:42 pm

I judge everything in a relative way and not according with expectations or the name of the brand it is marked. :)
Like it happens with lions, zebras are also not easy to get . Which are considered the best zebras among these kind of brands? Schleich, aren't they? Yes, but they are also somewhat short bodied and chubby. Have large heads but a precious painting. I like them although never considered them masterpieces.
From what I can see here, the sculpting of this quagga is not of a lower quality when compared with these references and the paintwork is not comparable once it is a quagga.
Papo never released a zebra with half the quality of Ana's work and many of us love the work of Papo sculptors . So, Ana did much better in her first try than Papo sculptors in 2 generations of zebras. cheers
Safari, Bullyland, CollectA and even previous Mojo zebras doesn't look better than this one in terms of sculpting in my opinion. So I think the work is very positive and deserves our support. Only as a little detail, Mojo is not giving us one more common zebra like it happens with many brands, Mojo is giving us the first quagga and I'm as a collector that loves diversity only have to aplaud it and show my enthusiasm with such an extraordinarily interesting range Mojo is building. I wished some other brands were able to give us some innovative figures as bad as these are?!?!?!? Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:42 pm

If I could say something about the mentioned proportion issue, well, I'm not saying my work is perfect but I think I could add few words. :) I worked mainly with photos of animals from Quagga project, my major photo represented young stallion. As some of You know stallions in general do have bodies described in square shape in opposite to mares which are most of the time more rectangle-so they have relatively longer back. Also this tendency is visible in younger equines, their backs are most of the time shorter (obviously foals are extreme examples Laughing )
Indeed, on the photos from London zoo You can see mare Quagga, additionally she was quite old when the animal was photographed. I didn't wanted to choose this photo as a main reference because I think she looks like she is in sad or bored mood. :)

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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:36 pm

It's fantastic! cheers WANT! cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:07 pm

As i said, i like the idea of a quagga very much, but i don't like the shape, the way it is painted so so...
Just because Möjo made the first one, it should be screamed in to heaven, don't think so!
And i am a bigger fan of Möjo then Schleich for example.
Their choice of species is much much better then any other modern brand, and they tend to listen to us collectors, great respect and happyness from my side for that!
Schleich zebra's are quit good, but a little bit chubby, and short sometimes chubby legs, as in many of their models, we all know that.

I know Ana's work much longer then most of you, so i know very well of what she is capable to in quality.
I just think this is not her best work, but hell, maybe the next one is out of this world.
Thank you Ana for taking my critisism as a man, and thank you for the welcome back!
I think i was her first real fan, still the biggest to, but the biggest criticaster to, that makes an artist like her only better in time IMHO...
And besides that, maybe the sculpt was good, and it worked out differently in production.
Sorry Rogerio, but i think you only have Möjo written in your eyes, since you do a lot of coörporation with them, i never see you really critisize them, as you were afraid of saying something wrong.
And i know you can't say everything here now, so mail me if you like.

By the way, i think you should go back to live in Poland, i think i have more chance to see you, then when you only live 1 hour drive from me like now, haha... Laughing
In other words, still hope to see you, Jan and Philip soon! cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:33 am

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Sorry Rogerio, but i think you only have Möjo written in your eyes, since you do a lot of coörporation with them, i never see you really critisize them, as you were afraid of saying something wrong.

Willy, I think you're loosing a lot of things on forum and I always miss you here, mainly at late hours when the forum is less active. I enjoy your sincerity but I think you are calling me a partial person what is not very elegant. Maybe I'm giving more support to Mojo due to the good relation with the forum, maybe because James is an excelent person, maybe because Ana is working there? Maybe? But, in my comments, I never gave a different opinion from what I think only because of these good reasons. Also, usually before the pictures being posted here, the brand asks my opinion so I don't need to criticise them here when the chance was already given, don't you agree?
If you check better, you can find criticism and support from me in all sections of this forum, even on Mojo section, even in this topic. Also, I don't feel afraid of making any negative comment to Mojo's works. I don't have a single reason to feel it. If I honestly am having a huge enthusiasm with Mojo figures, philosofy, initiatives, friendness? Yes!!
Only a last note, go to the topic where the brand is presented and read my comments. Among many negative posts I am one of the few members commenting that the brand is promising and that some figures lokk really great. At this time there was no cooperation or link between me and the brand. So which was the reason? monkey cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:26 pm

Sorry Rogerio, if i offended you.
You know you are one of my biggest friends here on the forum.
I was a little bit harsh maybe, and where i normally keep my mouth shut, i opened it now, circumstances in life do this.
I don't want this to be an excuse, but it probably caused it.
Forget about what i said, and lets move on together... cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Sat Dec 22, 2012 4:49 am

Congrats Ana! It truly is a beautiful piece! sunny sunny I was already suspecting it to be a stallion with its head held upright which is common character in many frisky adolescent ungulates!
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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:54 pm

Thank You Alvin Very Happy flower

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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:53 am

Ana and Mojo do it again! I love the young full-of-himself air that this fellow has. cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:19 pm

@WILLYBACOMAN wrote:
Sorry Rogerio, if i offended you.
You know you are one of my biggest friends here on the forum.
I was a little bit harsh maybe, and where i normally keep my mouth shut, i opened it now, circumstances in life do this.
I don't want this to be an excuse, but it probably caused it.
Forget about what i said, and lets move on together... cheers

Willy, I already don't remember what you are talking about! Laughing Wink
I am very happy you're finding some time free to check our forum and I hope 2013 is a better year for our friend Crazy Dutch macaque! monkey cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Mojo 2013 Quagga stallion    Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:55 am

Me to, haha... Laughing
I hope i can make more time to go back on the forum again, i guess so... Cool
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