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PostSubject: Sauropodomorphs and other dinos considerations... And Black rhinos too   Sat 06 Nov 2010, 10:02

I apologize I can't find enough time to make better pics of the herd but here are some pics.
I don't have a lot of sauropods and prosauropods but I will enhance my collection soon with new models I hope.

So, here are the herd in two pics

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PostSubject: Re: Sauropodomorphs and other dinos considerations... And Black rhinos too   Sat 06 Nov 2010, 10:31

Here are the prosauropods. I've got only one specie : the Plateosaurus engelhardti , which lived in Europa during the late Triassic period, 216 to 199 Million years ago

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The BULLYLAND, made in the 2000's, Scale : 1/20

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PostSubject: Re: Sauropodomorphs and other dinos considerations... And Black rhinos too   Sat 06 Nov 2010, 10:38

Then the Mamenchisaurus which lived in China during the late Jurassic, 160 to 145 million years ago

SAFARI Ltd. Dino Discoveries / Dinosaurs of China, made in 1993, scale 1/35

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PostSubject: Re: Sauropodomorphs and other dinos considerations... And Black rhinos too   Sat 06 Nov 2010, 10:43

The apatosaurus, also known as "brontosaurus" which lived in North America during the late Jurassic, 150 million years ago

The SAFARI Ltd, made in 2010, Scale 1/45 to 1/50

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PostSubject: Re: Sauropodomorphs and other dinos considerations... And Black rhinos too   Sat 06 Nov 2010, 10:58

The Diplodocus which lived in North America during the late Jurassic, 150 to 147 million years ago

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PostSubject: Re: Sauropodomorphs and other dinos considerations... And Black rhinos too   Sat 06 Nov 2010, 11:02

The Nigersaurus, lived in Africa ( Niger Republic ), during the middle Cretaceous period, about 119 to 99 million years ago

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PostSubject: Re: Sauropodomorphs and other dinos considerations... And Black rhinos too   Sat 06 Nov 2010, 11:06

The Camarasaurus lentus, which in North America in the the late Jurassic period, 155 and 145 million years ago.

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PostSubject: Re: Sauropodomorphs and other dinos considerations... And Black rhinos too   Sat 06 Nov 2010, 11:11

The Brachiosaurus brancai, also known as Giraffatitan, which lived during the Late Jurassic, 150–145 Million years ago.

On of the three model made by BULLYLAND in the 2000's, Scale : 1/40.
There was also a rarer green version and since 2010 the new version is green and yellow. Mine is a bit used and I will repaint it if I can find enough time Wink

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The SCHLEICH, from 1994 to 2007 , Scale : 1/35 to 1/40.
This model is very odd and inaccurate, but I still love it... I love you

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PostSubject: Re: Sauropodomorphs and other dinos considerations... And Black rhinos too   Sat 06 Nov 2010, 11:13

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This one's neck is unbelievably long! affraid
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PostSubject: Re: Sauropodomorphs and other dinos considerations... And Black rhinos too   Sat 06 Nov 2010, 11:19

At last, the Agustinia ligabuei which lived in south America, 108 million years ago in the early cretaceous.
The fossil found in 1999 was nearly complete except the head...

The COLLECTA Deluxe model, made in 2009, Scale : 1/25 to 1/32

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PostSubject: Re: Sauropodomorphs and other dinos considerations... And Black rhinos too   Sat 06 Nov 2010, 11:21

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This one's neck is unbelievably long! affraid

This model is a little bit "old fashioned" now but the mamenchisaurus was the sauropod with the longuest neck, so long ii made up half its total length.

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PostSubject: Re: Sauropodomorphs and other dinos considerations... And Black rhinos too   Sat 06 Nov 2010, 11:29

Amazing !!!!

I have never looked twice at the..hmm..dinos before.
But your pictures show they are really very fascinating Shocked

PS what is wrong with the pictures What a Face
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PostSubject: Re: Sauropodomorphs and other dinos considerations... And Black rhinos too   Sat 06 Nov 2010, 11:40

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I apologize I can't find enough time to make better pics of the herd but here are some pics.
I don't have a lot of sauropods and prosauropods but I will enhance my collection soon with new models I hope.

So, here are the herd in two pics

...Oh, my lovely sauropodas! So many beautiful models, thank Christoph! cheers I have some this models of course too... By the way... Why you don,t like Schleich dinosaurs? I did,t like "old style" Schleich dinosaurs, it seems made from "plasticine" and I,ve bought only 2-3 figurines. But I think it, s new set (new style) models is very good (T-Rex, Spino, Brachio, Apato, Parasaurolofus etc.) .


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PostSubject: Re: Sauropodomorphs and other dinos considerations... And Black rhinos too   Sat 06 Nov 2010, 11:51

I love Sauropods !

You have a fantastic collection cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Sauropodomorphs and other dinos considerations... And Black rhinos too   Sat 06 Nov 2010, 12:03

...By the way I,m waiting Brachio, Nigersaurs and Jabaria (?) in scale 1:40 (Deluxe) from Collecta... This is it,s dinosaurs post ...


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PostSubject: Re: Sauropodomorphs and other dinos considerations... And Black rhinos too   Sat 06 Nov 2010, 12:06

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...Oh, my lovely sauropodas! So many beautiful models, thank Christoph! cheers I have some this models of course too... By the way... Why you don,t like Schleich dinosaurs? I did,t like "old style" Schleich dinosaurs, it seems made from "plasticine" and I,ve bought only 2-3 fidurines. But I think it, s new set (new stile) models is very good (T-Rex, Spino, Brachio, Apato, Parasaurolofus etc.) .

So... Why I don't like Schleich dinosaurs ?

Because I'm bad Laughing Laughing Laughing

Seriously, I like very much a few Schleich dinos like the old plateosaurus, the old and odd brachiosaurus, the new parasaurolophus and the old edmontonia.

I also like very much some prehistoric reptiles like the desmatosuchus, the kronosaurus, shonisaurus and elasmosaurus Very Happy

But, what I dislike in a lot of Schleich dinosaurs is the unaccuracy of the models, it seems Schleich try to compete with the beautiful but inaccurate Papo. some of those new models are very well made, very fine (not all) but false.

Looking at them is like watching a tiger with a lion head and false legs... A lot of collectors dislike non realistic wild animals models, it's easy to understand. I also don't like lack of research and unaccuracies on dinos.
I understand Papo try to make Jurassic park style dinos.
But why Schleich isn't able to do enough research to make chubby but more realistic dinosaurs is still a mistery for me...
The two tyrannosaurus are jokes : Not accurate and of course really peanuts near a Papo tyrannosaurus (which is not accurate too but so beautiful).
The apatosaurus, what a hughe guy but not an apatosaurus, look at the Safari one, it is realistic.
The brachio... The same problem.
The new quetzalcoatlus with his heron neck... clown
The new Giga ????? Ok it can stand on his feet, that's the only thing I like on this hughe piece of cake.
The triceratops... I've got it ! And I also have the Safari and the Papo. The Schleich is the worse, the feet are unaccurate but, ok it's not too bad, but the details... The details on the skin, the head are the poorest of the three models.

I'm sorry, I would love to like Schleich dinos but I'm sad and angry because I'm sure Schleich is able to make good ones but it doesn't.

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PostSubject: Re: Sauropodomorphs and other dinos considerations... And Black rhinos too   Sat 06 Nov 2010, 12:12

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...By the way I,m waiting Brachio, Nigersaurs and Jabaria (?) in scale 1:40 (Deluxe) from Collecta... This is it,s dinosaurs post ...

I will buy the deluxe jobaria too... And maybe the sarcosuchus, the hydrthosaurus and the smaller ankylosaur Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Sauropodomorphs and other dinos considerations... And Black rhinos too   Sat 06 Nov 2010, 12:34

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...[The two tyrannosaurus are jokes : Not accurate and of course really peanuts near a Papo tyrannosaurus (which is not accurate too but so beautiful).
The apatosaurus, what a hughe guy but not an apatosaurus, look at the Safari one, it is realistic.
The brachio... The same problem.
The new quetzalcoatlus with his heron neck...   clown
The new Giga ????? Ok it can stand on his feet, that's the only thing I like on this hughe piece of cake.
The triceratops... I've got it ! And I also have the Safari and the Papo. The Schleich is the worse, the feet are unaccurate but, ok it's not too bad, but the details... The details on the skin, the head are the poorest of the three models.

I'm sorry, I would love to like Schleich dinos but I'm sad and angry because I'm sure Schleich is able to make good ones but it doesn't.


...Thank, Christoph... Maybe... I did,nt think about it.  Embarassed (By the way I,m fully agree about Sch. triceratops, I,ve not bought it, the best model is Papo model)
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PostSubject: Re: Sauropodomorphs and other dinos considerations... And Black rhinos too   Sat 06 Nov 2010, 13:33

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This one's neck is unbelievably long!   affraid

This model is a little bit "old fashioned" now but the mamenchisaurus was the sauropod with the longuest neck, so long ii made up half its total length.
It's incredible.  You have a lovely collection Christophe sunny
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PostSubject: Re: Sauropodomorphs and other dinos considerations... And Black rhinos too   Sun 07 Nov 2010, 16:28

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But, what I dislike in a lot of Schleich dinosaurs is the unaccuracy of the models, it seems Schleich try to compete with the beautiful but inaccurate Papo. some of those new models are very well made, very fine (not all) but false.

I'm sorry, I would love to like Schleich dinos but I'm sad and angry because I'm sure Schleich is able to make good ones but it doesn't.


... And one more question, Christoph (I want to some continue)... But there is inscription on the tags to every Schleich dinosaur model: "...This dinosaur series is the result of close cooperation between Schleich and the Humboldt University of Berlin, Germany. Each model is true to scale and  hand-painted, and is an ideal collector,s item". And what you say about it, Christoph? It,s lie?  scratch  scratch  scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Sauropodomorphs and other dinos considerations... And Black rhinos too   Sun 07 Nov 2010, 23:11

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... And one more question, Christoph (I want to some continue)... But there is inscription on the tags to every Schleich dinosaur model: "...This dinosaur series is the result of close cooperation between Schleich and the Humboldt University of Berlin, Germany. Each model is true to scale and hand-painted, and is an ideal collector,s item". And what you say about it, Christoph? It,s lie? scratch scratch scratch

Sergey, there is a lot of questions under your "It is a lie ?".

First ; " It is an ideal collector item !", If you like the model and want to collect it, it is an ideal collector item. Some people in France are collecting Camembert's boxes and they think they are ideal collector items. But if you want to collect realistic and up to date dino toys... They are not ideal.

Second : They are hand-painted : I guess it's true Laughing

Third : Each model is true to scale Laughing Laughing What a Face clown lol! . Search on books, web, encyclopedias the real or admited size of the dinosaurs made by Schleich and then take a tape measure and compare your model with the real animal. Divide the Size of the real animal by the size of your model and you will know the scale... And you will have a lot of surprise affraid Laughing .
Try to do the same with the famous 1/32 sea animals and you will have big surprises.
Each model is true to scale is a BIG LIE !
And not only the scale ratio of the whole animal but even the scale of parts of the animals are wrong. I will give examples soon in another posts if you enjoy the discussion.

At last : "This dinosaur series is the result of close cooperation between Schleich and the Humboldt University of Berlin"... Is it a lie ?
hard to tell... Of course I'm sure Schleich used the skeletal copies of the Humboldt museum to make their model. But does it mean it is a close cooperation ? A lot of skeletal reconstruction are very expensive to make and you understand paleodontology is a living science and discoveries often changed the way we think dinosaurs are. No museum in Europa have enough money to change their skeletal reconstruction easily.So maybe some mistakes, and some are really incredible, are due to old reconstruction. But again I'm not sure because the mistakes are sometimes so big that it is only incredible.

But again, the best way to answer you is to speak about the models themselves.

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PostSubject: Re: Sauropodomorphs and other dinos considerations... And Black rhinos too   Sun 07 Nov 2010, 23:34

So, I will speak first about the apatosaurus. You have this year two models of apatosaurus. One from Safari and one from Schleich.
You can see the Safari because I made a review about him and you have the new Schleich.

So here is the apatosaurus skeletal. I will show two models because in the 2000's the thought about the apatosaurus were like this :

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But nowadays, it seems the apatosaurus was more like that :

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A few years ago Kinto favorite, a japanese company made this model :

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And in 2010 Safari ltd makes this :

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And Schleich made that :

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Now look at the shape, the size of the tail, the neck. The Kinto looks like the first skeletal and the Safari like the second one.
And the Schleich looks like... scratch scratch scratch

Now look at the feet, the Kinto and the Safari are both like the skeletal.
Now look at the Schleich one :

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Isn't it funny Laughing ?

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PostSubject: Re: Sauropodomorphs and other dinos considerations... And Black rhinos too   Sun 07 Nov 2010, 23:59

Another example : the saichania.

here are some skeletal views and models :

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And now the two Schleich saichanias :

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well, the older one is not a saichania but it looks more like his cousin euoplocephalus.

So we can say the later model is a big improvement ! It looks far more like a saichania. My congratulations to Schleich cheers

But confused But scratch But cyclops . Look at the hindfeet affraid

The Schleich have 6 toes on the hind feet and the skeletal have three. Maybe the Schleich is a mutant ?
All the advanced ankylosaurids have three toes on the hindfeet except the Schleich. clown

Another valuable item for collectors I guess

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PostSubject: Re: Sauropodomorphs and other dinos considerations... And Black rhinos too   Mon 08 Nov 2010, 00:19

example three : the sauropelta.

A pic of the real sauropelta skeletal :

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And now a pic of the very small but very fine sauropelta model made by KAIYODO :

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And the Schleich "museum" one Laughing :

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The pics are speaking by themselves...

The only comment I will make is the Schleich model looks more like another nodosauridae : the pawpawsaurus. Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Sauropodomorphs and other dinos considerations... And Black rhinos too   Mon 08 Nov 2010, 08:54

I enjoy very much to read and see what you experts know about these fascinating creatures. Very Happy
It is a whole new world to me.

Thankyou, please go on , - or should we ask Torben if it is possible to make a new headline about Dinosaurs etc, - what would the heading be ? Prehistoric animals ?

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