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PostSubject: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:42 am

Hurrayyy ! It is Christmas (almost Wink cheers  
Perhaps Santa does not live in Holland, but Anna does, and she is just as good santa  rendeer  santa  rendeer  cheers 

I fell completely, totally in love with the Suffolk Punch, she made for Mojo, and just couldn't wait  Rolling Eyes  Laughing 
So Anna made one for me !!!
In our mails we also talked about the lovely Border Collie, and Anna told me that it is going to be changed a bit before going into production.
Ohh, poor little doggie, I like him as he is, - so Anna gave me one in the most beautyful brown variation, - I think that colour is called chocolate in English  Razz  Very Happy 

So, here, look and enjoy cheers  cheers 
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First the Punch  Very Happy 
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Together again , - but something is missing  Rolling Eyes  scratch 
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Ahhh ! Here they are : Scottish sheep, of course  Laughing  Wink  Very Happy  Very Happy 
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Thankyou , dear Anna, for these stunning models  Very Happy  santa rendeer  Very Happy  rendeer   santa  Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:24 am

WOW WOW I like the horse. It is so amazing. I'm tempted to buy this one in Mojo fun. CONGRATS Applause Applause drunken 
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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:33 am

Glorious, really glorious! Shocked
Sometimes I have troubles finding my favorite horse among some extensive lines but it looks it won't be hard to find my favorite horse for 2014! cheers
It is a magnificent piece, although yours is special, but I believe the mass produced one will be also something divinal. Honestly, I cannot think in many horses that I like better than this mare. cheers
Your pictures are alos excelent and the border does really look nicer in that version too! Very Happy
Laughing Sheep among VIP! Very Happy Congratulations for your antecipated Christmas and thanks for sharing your masterpieces with us. flower queen santa

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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:18 pm

They are so awesome !!!  affraid 
Both are sweet and lovely and are full of character, the paintjob is outstanding (of course Wink).
I like the last picture a lot, over-enthusiastic sheep and two caring friends flower
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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:23 pm

Oh Susanne! The Border Collie leaves me speechless.

I am in love with it. The colour, yes, it is beautiful - and genetically called chocolate - in dogs that is a form of black dilute. Ana has certainly reproduced a real chocolate Border Collie with her artistry here!
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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:31 pm

Big big congratulations for this beautieful new models from Anna Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause 

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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:47 pm

Thankyou, thankyou  cheers  cheers 

Roger, I also think it is the best horse for 2014, - perhaps the best EVER  cheers 
( Only equalled by the model of my Albina, which Harriet made, of course Wink )

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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:50 pm

Wow they are absolutely wonderful!  Applause cheers 
I think this color is the collie much better than the Mojo give him.
Congratulations Susanne! cheers Very Happy sunny

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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:08 pm

You are so soooo lucky to have these jewels Very Happy <3
The mare is amazing and I LOVE the BC Very Happy
Congrats and yaaay for Anna Very Happy  cheers 

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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:16 pm

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Thankyou, thankyou  cheers  cheers 

Roger, I also think it is the best horse for 2014, - perhaps the best EVER  cheers 
( Only equalled by the model of my Albina, which Harriet made, of course Wink )

Well, we have to see Papo horses first but it is not expectable at all that we will see something better. scratch
Albina? Of course, but Albina doesn't have a mass produced version! Crying or Very sad Laughing
Let me add here a picture of Albina with a Scottish sheep! tongue
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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:24 pm

They are simply beautiful, big congratulations Susanne cheers cheers I just love the pair of them!

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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Sat Dec 21, 2013 2:03 pm

Oh my... They are both beautiful! I can't decide which I am more in love with, the gorgeous horse, or stunning brown collie! I love collies, as well as their common color, but most people don't know exactly how many colors they can come in, which is several. I repainted the schleich collie (an extra) into a red border collie, but this one is sooo much better. HUGE CONGRATS Susanne! They are all gorgeous!

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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:51 pm

Beautiful! Congrats!

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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Sat Dec 21, 2013 6:21 pm

Susanne! I'm very happy they arrived safely, on time Wink and you like them so much ! sunny sunny They seem to be very warm welcomed by the sheep and lamb, I'm sure they will make friends Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Sat Dec 21, 2013 7:23 pm

Thankyou all, for sharing my happyness  cheers 

And Roger for finding the photo of Albina and the Wee Westie-sheep  Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Laughing 

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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:17 pm

Absolutely wonderful models!!!! Applause Applause Applause .The Border Collie is great in chocolate!Its great to see them in another colour instead of the standard black and white.Would be good if when the released the model to do so in a number of colours-maybe tricolour,blue merle and red merle-make some more money as well!!! Laughing Laughing Laughing 
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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:20 pm

Beautiful, beautiful animals, both of them. I love the face of the mare: she looks so wise and gentle.

The border collie looks brilliant too, a real sheep dog who seems to know exactly what is expected of him. It is a shame Mojo is not making him that colour Sad To me that colour is red. I believe the colour is called 'red' in the UK, but 'chocolate' in Australia. In Australia 'red' refers to the golden-yellow colour similar to the colour of golden retrievers. That same colour in the UK is referred to 'Australian red'. That's what I was taught a few years ago when I worked with an English breeder. However, I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong :)

Lovely pictures, Susanne! You have helped me make up my mind abut the border collie; I wasn't sure whether to get him or not, but now I know I will. I love him!

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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:39 pm

I would love have that mare with the repaint of Anna  bounce bounce  Your so lucky Susanne  cheers cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:10 pm

Oh Susanne, they are amazing! cheers cheers I love the brown color on the border collie! drunken What a wonderful package, I'm sure you were very excited to open it. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:17 pm

Congrats Sue, they are absolutely wonderful!!! Applause Applause 

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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:30 pm

Thankyou, dear friends, from me and Anna too, I am sure  Very Happy  Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:30 am

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Thankyou, dear friends, from me and Anna too, I am sure  Very Happy  Very Happy

Yes, of course! BIG THANK YOU friends for all good words about this two works! I'm very happy to read you like them!!!!  sunny sunny sunny 

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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:08 pm

Miss Mufflon: Sorry to not get back to you sooner on that.
Colour is the same, no matter where it is, or what country calls it differently.

Regardless of the name, that dog displays chocolate, and is genetically that.

Chocolate in dogs is a dilute form of Black, seen only when the otherwise dominant black gene "B" is expressed in its dilute form, "b". However, the dog needs two of these to be recessive and to express the chocolate colouring. For example, a "BB" dog is black, as is a "Bb" dog. It carries "b" dilute chocolate, but cannot express it unless these dilutes align. If the dog was "bb", however, it will express and carry chocolate.

What that means is that all black pigment all over the dog is diluted to a brown colour in various shades and there is no black pigment on the dog at all.
This dog's body pigment is totally diluted, even the eyes - which is why brown/chocolate dogs show yellow eyes - even the pupil is light.

As for the genetic color Red, it is neither Chocolate dilute nor cream. In Australia, this colour is wrongly called 'yellow' and chocolates can also be called 'reds'. Red itself is another form of recessiveness but works on different alleles, the "E" instead of the "B". The difference with reds is that the base colour doesn't affect the coat colour, and some recessive reds have black noses, and some may have chocolate noses, depending on genetics of the parents.

Cream or yellow, is simply a diluted again form of recessive red, as is silver and almost white. (For example, near-white Labradors).

So, what I am saying is that, genetically, that dog is chocolate (A dilute form of black) and not red (a diluted recessive colour unrelated to black.).

I would love to explain this more if you are interested?
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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:24 pm

Why haven't I seen this thread before  affraid The Suffolk is beyond words! She is my most wanted for 2014  cheers 
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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:00 pm

Congratulations! What a stunning horse! cheers cheers 

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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:16 pm

Miss Jane:

I'm really interested!

I see what you mean, but since I don't know much about the genetics behind the colours of dogs in general I didn't go into any of that. I simply meant that that particular colour could be called 'red' as well as chocolate and is commonly referred to as such in the UK.

I've never studied genetics and had no idea that the colour was known as 'chocolate' and that 'red' was something completely different. I've learnt something new now! But I have a feeling that chocolate border collies will always be red to me Wink

Please, explain more. I admit I had to Google a bit now to see what you meant that chocolate was a dilute form of black. I thought the dilute of black was 'blue', but I suspect I only had the very simple explanation!

I'm with you on everything about BB, Bb, bb, I think. In border collies, anyway. That's about as far as my knowledge of colour genetics in dogs goes! How does ee come into the picture? Why is that colour called 'red'? Is there such a thing as EE? What are, genetically, cream, yellow, silver and almost white that you mentioned? What's the relationship between black and (true) red?

Sorry, Susanne, for going slightly off topic. If you would like us to move this conversation somewhere else, please let us know!

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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:29 pm

Congratulation Susanne  cheers  And a big Hurray for Anna's work  Applause Applause Applause 

The horse is really magnificent, the painting, the sculpting everything is at the right place  Very Happy 

And look at that dog, it has a Old Lineol touch or is it only me ?  drunken 

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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:42 am

Miss Mufflon - I will certainly answer your questions, and start another post as it will need to be bigger!

This will include all your questions asnwered and the basic genetics explained.

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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:22 pm

Fantastic detail, inspirational!
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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:52 am

Miss Mufflon - here you are:

http://sts-forum.forumieren.de/t11148-the-genetics-of-colour-in-dogs-the-basics#195160

And Susanne, I am sorry to have already put some spam on your lovely message!
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PostSubject: Re: Glorious Suffolk Punch horse and border collie, made by Anna :-D   Wed May 14, 2014 12:21 am

Beautifull horses! I have never seen this topic, but very nice paintjob Very Happy

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