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PostSubject: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:13 am

After my recent posts of all (almost) of the Yujin Freshwater fish ([You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]) I was asked to put up a photo of all of my Arowana figures at once. But rather than just be simple about it, I decided to do group photos of all of the ‘primitive’ bony fishes in my collection. As much because it's fun, and I don't really get to interact with the animals on the shelves very often.

The ‘primitive’ fishes is a pretty arbitrary term, but usually means fish that are part of clades that have roots far back in geologic history, mostly before the rise of the majority of modern fish. The orders included are discussed in a book called Jurassic Fishes (an aquarium husbandry book originally from Japan) as well as the Primitive Fishes blog/Facebook page/Twitter account which happen to include the same groups.

These fish tend to have primitive characteristics somewhere in their physiology, and also tend to be somewhat restricted in diversity or range (with one exception, other than what people have done). In this instance, I am stayingg with bony fishes (Osteichthyes) only. The vast majority are freshwater at least part of their lives. And too many of them are threatened with extinction. Most of the pictures will be Actinopterygii (ray-fins), with only a couple of Sarcopterygii (lobe-fins). So no sharks/rays/chimaera (Chondricthyans) or jawless fishes (agnathans) here. Not that I have any of the latter at all (there is one hagfish figure in existence that I have seen pictures of, and I don’t expect to ever find one).

But I will include the extinct fossil species' figures that I do have! It helps build up the lobe-fins a bit!

Often, the fish included are called ‘living fossils’ which is a silly, antiquated term because fossils are rocks and these animals are still alive. If anything, they can be a testament to how successful a good body plan can be in the long term (again, as long as people stay out of it).

The fish! I will do these from oldest/most primitive group to more recent. The people in the photos are sort of close to scale, with exceptions that will be mentioned.

CLADISTIA
Bichirs:

All of them are the saddled bichir Polypterus endlicheri, likely because of their popularity in Japan (the figures are also all Japanese). For the record, these are my favorite fishes in the whole entire world. I have kept 7 different species over the years, and my fish tanks are never complete if I don’t have at least one…

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L-R: Kaiyodo ChocoPets albino bichir, Recent Colorata ‘Fossil Fishes’ box, Kaiyodo normal color Chocopets bichir

CHONDROSTEI
Sturgeon:

The most diverse living group—and the most diverse in figures! The two figures reflect the potential scales depending on the size of the animals (the beluga sturgeon is roughly to scale with the small diver; the Lake sturgeon is a modest specimen in scale with the large diver, as examples)

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L-R: Original Colorata ‘Fossil Fishes’ box Chinese Sturgeon; Kaiyodo Capsule Aquarium White Sturgeon; Replica Toy Fish 3” Lake Sturgeon; Replica Toy Fish 6” Shovelnose Sturgeon; Epoch ‘Shark & Ray Series’ Beluga Sturgeon; 3d-printed Green sturgeon; Recent Colorata ‘Fossil Fishes’ box Chinese Sturgeon

Paddlefish:

Relative of the sturgeon. Until recently there were two species but it is believed that the Chinese Paddlefish Psephurus is possibly extinct; the American Polyodon is not doing much better in many places. The diver is to scale with the 3D printed model.

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Upper L-R: 3D printed model; Whittier Decoys wooden carving; Tchibo bath toy(!)

HOLOSTEI
Gars:

I have a surprising number of these, so I had to split them up!

First, the larger genus, Atractosteus. The diver is to scale with the larger models (using modern sizes—historically, much larger individuals were recorded)

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Back row L-R: Wooden carved alligator gar model; 3D printed Tropical Gar; Recent Colorata ‘Fossil Fishes’ box Alligator gar
Front row L-R: Replica Toy Fish 3” juvenile alligator gar; Replica Toy Fish 3” Adult alligator gar; Replica Toy Fish 6” alligator gar

And a quick photo with the small figures to scale with a diver, for fun!

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The next ones are a variety of Lepisosteus species, again, roughly to scale with the diver.

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Back L-R: Wooden carved Shortnose gar, Wooden Carved Longnose gar
Front L-R: Replica Toy Fish 6” Longnose gar, Replica Toy Fish 3” longnose gar; Toba Aquarium Series 2 ‘living fossils’ spotted gar

Plus, I have a few fossil ones!

A Paleocene gar (I received this as a spare when a designer was building a Paleocene display in a museum I managed). Suffice to say, this isn’t one that can be bought just anywhere!

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And, unlike today, gars used to be found outside of North and Central America. And Favorite captured that in their Hunting Spinosaurus desktop model:

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The explorer is to scale assuming that the spinosaur is ‘only’ about 15 m long. The gar species is likely Dentilepisosteus kemkenensis given the size, place and time—Cretaceous Africa.

Bowfin:

Of all of the primitive fishes, this has proved to be one of the more maddeningly difficult animals to find in any form. Replica Toy Fish once hinted at a 6” model, but so far that has not happened. So I only have this one, clearly not to scale with the diver:

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It is another Whittier Decoys wooden carving. It would be a medium sized specimen if it were alive.

OSTEOGLOSSOMORPHA
The Bonytongues!

The group that started this thread (inadvertently). This is more properly known as the Osteoglossomorphs, and includes Pirarucu (=Arapaima), Arowana, Featherfin Knifefish, Elephantnose fish and other mormyrids; and the freshwater Butterflyfish Pantodon. The only one that I don’t have at least one representative of is the butterflyfish. For now…Wink

Pirarucu:

Roughly to scale with the swimmer, now—like the gars, they were likely capable of growing much larger at one time. There are likely several more figures than this, but I don’t always chase them down. There are also several species of Arapaima but as far as I can tell, all of these are A. gigas; physically the species look very similar.

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L-R, starting at the top: Recent Colorata ‘Fossil Fishes’ box Arapaima, Toba Aquarium Arapaima, Takara ‘Amazon River set’ Arapaima, Original Colorata ‘Fossil Fishes’ box Arapaima, Epoch ‘Living Fossil Collection’ Arapaima, Kaiyodo Capsule Aquarium Arapaima

Other osteoglossomorphs:

I have a representative of each of two of the other families of osteoglossids. The knife fish would be a large but to-scale figure; the elephant nose figure is ridiculously oversized!

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L-R: 3D printed Clown Knifefish Chitala ornatus; 3D printed Double-Nose Elephant Fish Campylomormyrus rhynchophorus.

Arowanas:

The picture that started this!  I have included them all crammed together—with a representative of at least one figure from each of the Australian, Asian (okay, a lot of those) and American species. The only one missing is an African Arowana Heterotis because nobody makes one. They are also related to Arapaima anyway. Like the Arapaima, I don’t always chase after every Asian arowana anymore, because there are a lot of them! Even of the ones I have, there are variants (such as a Gold Kaiyodo Capsule figure, and a red Marmit figure).

And the diver is roughly to scale with the majority of them.

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L-R,  (all Asian Arowana Scleropages formosus unless otherwise stated, but I will give the color as best as I can tell): Colorata ‘Fossil Fishes’ box 2nd release Super Red; Marmit ‘World of Tropical Fish’ Yellow Tail; Yowies Spotted Saratoga Scleropages leichadrti; Yujin “Freshwater Fishes series’ Red Crossback; Kaiyodo Aqualand Silver Arowana Osteoglossum bicirrhosum; Colorata ‘Fossil Fishes’ box 3rd release Malayan Blue; Yujin ‘Freshwater Fishes series’ Gold Highback; Kaiyodo Capsule Aquarium Super Red; Colorata ‘Fossil Fishes’ box 1st release green crossback; Toba Aquarium Series 2 ‘living fossils’ (the color doesn’t look like an obvious existing color variety).

And for fun, a few extinct osteoglossomorphs, from the Cretaceous! These are part of the ichthyodectid family. The small one is to scale with the divers; the large one would be a modest-sized specimen!

Ichthyodectids

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L-R: FaunaCasts Xiphactinus; Bandai ‘Hungry Dinos’ Cladocyclus (it is part of a diorama model, being eaten by a Pteranodon—the scale of the Pteranodon helped me determine what species this should be, as it was clearly an ichtyodectid!)

So that’s all of them that I have. For now, because I hope that other figures will show up for these groups more frequently.

I also hope people can add on!

And soon I will post again with the lobe-fins.

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:05 am

Your collection is REALLY impressive Sean, as your knowledge Applause

I remember watching some gars and pirarucus in a manatee basin this summer, I was really impressed and fascinated.

FaunaCasts Xiphactinus!!!! My great miss, it is a fabulous model.

Some Sarcopterygii pics soon? bounce

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:04 pm

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Your collection is REALLY impressive Sean, as your knowledge Applause

I remember watching some gars and pirarucus in a manatee basin this summer, I was really impressed and fascinated.

FaunaCasts Xiphactinus!!!! My great miss, it is a fabulous model.

Some Sarcopterygii pics soon? bounce

Thanks--yes, the lobefins will come. Just wanted to give some space between all of the photos!

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:19 pm

The sturgeons are my favorite! Again, very interesting topic!
Great to see so many different fishes together in one topic! Great job Wink

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:05 pm

Very interesting fish collection! Nice to see 3D printed examples Very Happy

Thank you for this great presentation Sbell. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:58 pm

Simply gorgeous! :3

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:01 pm

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:19 pm

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:06 pm

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:18 pm

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PostSubject: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures--Sarcopterygii   Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:00 am

Thanks everyone! It's always fun to pull the figures out and interact with them again; too often, they wind up on a shelf almost right away and don't really get handled again. Don't really have the time to play, and I'm not about to let the kids have them!

As promised, this is the follow up post, featuring what sarcopterygians (lobe-fin) fish figures I have. With only two surviving groups (sort of), there are not many figures. It doesn’t help that there are less than 10 living species, and only three have been made as figures.

I say sort of because, taxonomically, Sacropterygii includes the lobe-fin fishes, and ALL of their descendants. Which means every tetrapod, including us humans, are lobe-fin fish (as far as I understand things, right now, tetrapods are descended from an extinct lineage, the otherwise-extinct elpistostegalians). But I’m sticking to a more publicly minded way of thinking, as ‘fish’ as ‘swimmy thing with fins’.

It also makes it tougher to just have distinct groups; I have a few fossil species as figures, and they tend to work more on a gradient than as specific groups (like the previous ray-fin fishes). The important thing will be their names anyway. And that there needs to be more of them!

First off, I will start with…

DIPNOMORPHA:
Lungfishes

Famous for their air-breathing ability, lungfish are found, in 3 families, in the southern continents. The Australian Neoceratodus is critically endangered—and is the only one to have any figures (that I know of…) (and that might be changing? Soon?). And there are a lot of them! All but one are Japanese (at least the Australians made one of their own).

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R-L: Original Colorata ‘Fossil Fishes’ box Australian lungfish; Epoch ‘Living Fossil Collection’ Australian lungfish; Toba Aquarium Series 2 ‘living fossils’ Australian lungfish; Yowies Australian lungfish; Recent Colorata ‘Fossil Fishes’ box Australian lungfish

ACTINISTIA
Coelacanths:

The coelacanths (Actinistia) are famous as the fish that didn’t really go extinct, being discovered in the early 20th century as certainly not extinct in the Cretaceous, just marginalized to the deep oceans, instead of their more familiar shallow and freshwater habitats prior to now. There are two living species (one of which gets made far more often), plus several fossil species, of which I have some figures.

Small Latimeria chalumnae figures

These figures are the smaller ones of this species that I have, roughly to scale with the 1:29 Diver figures. The more recent Kaiyodo CapsuleQ Deep-Sea Life figure is almost exactly the right scale.

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L-R: Kaiyodo ‘Deep Sea Odyssey’ Coelacanth’; Kaiyodo ‘CapsuleQ Deep Se Life’ Coelacanth; ‘Okinama Aquarium’ Coelacanth; Colorata mini Coelacanth; Takara ‘Deep Sea Fishes’ Coelacanth

Large Coelacanth Latimeria chalumnae figures

All of these are to scale with the 1:13 diver; the large Safari Coelacanth would be roughly a full size animal. But a diver dressed like this would die trying to swim with one. Just saying.

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L-R: Epoch ‘Living Fossil Collection’; Original Colorata ‘Fossil Fishes’ box Coelacanth; Safari ‘Cryptozoology toob’ Coelacanth (a toob I would otherwise not have bought); Safari WS Dinos Coelacanth (yes, it is officially part of the dinos series); Recent Colorata ‘Fossil Fishes’ box Coelacanth

And for fun, a small plush Coelacanth from Colorata:
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Indonesian Coelacanth Latimeria menadoensis

The other living species, which has a few figures, such as a Takara repaint-version and the Kaiyodo Polystone. But I only have this one (a little large for the diver):

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Colorata Museum Model Series Indonesian Coelacanth

Fossil coelacanths

Unlike the lungfish, there are a few ‘fossil’ coelacanth figures. Unfortunately, they are almost always painted more or less like modern ones. This makes no sense as their environments would have been much different, but so be it.

Axelrodicthys and Holophagus

Roughly to scale with the diver, maybe as smaller individuals

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L-R: Kaiyodo Dinotales S1 Axelrodicthys; Original Famemaster Holophagus (was being eaten by an elasmosaur—hence no pelvic fins); Kaiyodo Dinotales S1v2 Axelrodicthys (with refreshing colour scheme); Re-release Famemaster Holophagus

Mawsonia

To scale (1:100) with the people (yes, it was huge)—and the spinosaur eating it (what is it with Spinosaurus eating all the cool fish? Also, where is the Bawitius version?)

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Takara Tomy ARTS 2011 Dinosaur Expo series Mawsonia

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OTHER EXTINCT LOBE-FINS--TETRAPODOMORPHA

The lobe-fins were much more varied in the Paleozoic, and there are a few figures to represent this (put in the right order, with a few more ‘amphibian’-grade figures would give a good evolutionary sequence!). Not many (certainly not enough), but a few.

Rhizodonts

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To scale with 1:40 man. Yowies Lost Kingdoms ‘Duckabrook Rhizodont’, probably Strepsodus

Osteolepiforms & Elpistostegalians

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To scale with 1:24 swimmer.
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Unlike the previous actinopterygians, I know that there are many more of these lobe-fins out there—at least among coelacanths (another species that I tend to not chase as much now). So I am hoping to see some others from everyone else!

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Mon Sep 28, 2015 2:59 am

Sean, that is not a topic but a scientific report using fish réplicas as educational resources. cheers magnificent presentation around a unique collection. I like all the research, mainly the clever way you used to identify the reptile diet. Talking about food, knowing you are the king fisher of this forum, I do not know if I feel comfortable knowing that I am a lobfin fish. :afraid: can I keep just as a sarcosuchus instead of a sarcopterygii? Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:20 am

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Sean, that is not a topic but a scientific report using fish réplicas as educational resources. cheers magnificent presentation around a unique collection. I like all the research, mainly the clever way you used to identify the reptile diet. Talking about food, knowing you are the king fisher of this forum, I do not know if I feel comfortable knowing that I am a lobfin fish. :afraid: can I keep just as a sarcosuchus instead of a sarcopterygii? Laughing    

See, it's really just a fun exercise--if you go up and down the tree of life, you can connect any two species. It can make a good game, depending on how advanced you want to get!

I am comfortable with being the result of a lucky fish that went to land. The book (and PBS documentary) "Your Inner Fish" is highly recommended, and gives a unique perspective.

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:57 pm

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Sean, that is not a topic but a scientific report using fish réplicas as educational resources. cheers magnificent presentation around a unique collection.......   

Roger puts ir so much better than I can !!!
I am completely overwhelmed Shocked WOW affraid

This is a topic where I will come back again and again, and be sure to learn - and spot - something new each time bounce cheers

Thankyou ever so much for yet another fantastic topic Applause flower

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:02 am

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Sean, that is not a topic but a scientific report using fish réplicas as educational resources. cheers magnificent presentation around a unique collection.......   

Roger puts ir so much better than I can !!!
I am completely overwhelmed Shocked WOW affraid

This is a topic where I will come back again and again, and be sure to learn  - and spot - something new each time bounce cheers

Thankyou ever so much for yet another fantastic topic Applause flower

Thanks--I am kind of 'falling down the rabbit hole', so to speak, in regards to my fish models and sorting out their classifications. So I may well end up doing more recent lineages eventually. But I never differentiated them as much, so it will take a while (plus, of course, I keep getting more of them...).

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:03 am

I just got my first prototype photos of these! They are being sculpted by a DinoToyForum member named brandem.

First, Polypterus senegalus!

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Second, Protopterus annectens

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I know, right? And now you're all thinking, wait, how do I get one? Well, the good news is that you just keep in touch with me, because these are two of the first 3 Fishes that I am having made for the Fauna Figures store!

The third one is Pantodon buchholzi but I don't have a prototype photo yet (the fins are...awkward).

I will of course post more pictures when I have some. Like when I have them in hand! And details about getting them (and yes, there will be a first-run incentive for forum members when I know what that will be).

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Fri Oct 02, 2015 3:53 am

I have to admit, I am very jealous... I love ceolocanths. And Lung fish, and... and... Fantastic collection and thank you so very much for sharing. Applause

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:01 am

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Fri Oct 02, 2015 2:59 pm

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I have to admit, I am very jealous... I love ceolocanths. And Lung fish, and... and... Fantastic collection and thank you so very much for sharing. Applause

Well, I am trying to make it easier for people to at least get a lungfish! Other than the gars and a few others, almost every figure is a Japanese one, which means it is difficult if not impossible to find some of them (for reasonable prices. Always a consideration).

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Fri Oct 02, 2015 5:13 pm

Even tough fish do not mean much to me, this is very impressive - almost enough to make me want to collect them... and I certainly learned a lot by reading what you tell about the speicies. Thank you!
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Even tough fish do not mean much to me, this is very impressive - almost enough to make me want to collect them... and I certainly learned a lot by reading what you tell about the speicies. Thank you!

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:55 pm

well I have a few, but they are not as fun, when you do not know that much about them. ohh... and then we have a pond with some real ones - do they count? geek Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:27 am

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well I have a few, but they are not as fun, when you do not know that much about them. ohh... and then we have a pond with some real ones - do they count? geek Laughing

Of course--I have my own at home (including a Polypterus senegalus and freshwater butterflyfish!)

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:28 pm

Wow... they are beautiful if the pictures I found of them, when is searched, is anything to go by.
We have more ordinary fish; goldfish, koi, grass carp and golden orfe (in gold and silver).
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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Sat Oct 03, 2015 4:56 pm

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Wow... they are beautiful if the pictures I found of them, when is searched, is anything to go by.
We have more ordinary fish; goldfish, koi, grass carp and golden orfe (in gold and silver).

Thsoe are better pond fish though...although, for a little while, I kept gars and bichirs together in a 160gallon pond inside my apartment! I used to be far more hardcore about fishkeeping! Now I just have the little 55gallon.

I used to feed orfes to them all the time though... Neutral

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:52 pm

wow.. That is a huge aquarium.

Well I guess that's just how it is, i believe our orfes (and the other fish) eats the fry, so that is how Nature is.
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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:22 pm

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wow.. That is a huge aquarium.

Well I guess that's just how it is, i believe our orfes (and the other fish) eats the fry, so that is how Nature is.
Sorry for the late ansvar, I could not find your topic, so had to go back and find the email sent, with a new reply.

I've always kept predators--I've gotten used to it. I worked in pet stores for ten years, so you get very used to life and death--especially among fish and reptiles.

It is funny though--now that I have a 55gal, it feels so small. My largest glass aquarium was 120gallons and held gars, arowana, bichirs and large plecos, plus some other odds and ends. The only downside to a pond is that everything is from above--need to come up with a strong enough clear-sided self-supporting pond! They are great for growing pond plants indoors as well (in Canada, those plants don't last long outside Smile ).

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:26 am

I finally have something to add to this thread!

Another Holostean, relative to gars and bowfin.

But this time, an extinct one!

This is Lepidotes, a fish that ranged around the world from the Triassic to the Cretaceous. The species is indeterminate.

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Also, I just noticed how remiss I've been in this thread--I have several more Ancient Fishes (mostly FaunaFigures ones, but they count!) that need to go on here! Assuming I have a proper handle on the photos, I should be able to make this happen sooner rather than later!

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:06 pm

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Tue Aug 23, 2016 8:32 pm

Oh, a traditional gar is surely more impressive than that very interesting fish. Though, it is surely great that you could find one of these replicated. FFF are surely ancient fish and this topic could help someone searching for them to find a way to your FFF. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Wed Aug 24, 2016 3:08 am

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I would definitely agree--gars are far more unique looking than Lepidotes! Especially as represented by the figure.

The only other one I know of is attached to the claw of the Invicta Baryonyx! If it wasn't such a hard, molded plastic, I would try and find a cheap spare one and remove the fish!

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Wed Aug 24, 2016 9:03 am

What a lovely, little fish cheers

I look forward to see more of your ancient beauties Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Wed Aug 24, 2016 7:20 pm

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I would definitely agree--gars are far more unique looking than Lepidotes! Especially as represented by the figure.

The only other one I know of is attached to the claw of the Invicta Baryonyx! If it wasn't such a hard, molded plastic, I would try and find a cheap spare one and remove the fish!

A spare one in a very poor condition once the Invicta baryonyx is an impressive figure. It is amazing that you can identify the often negleted prey in these figures. I could never guess what it could be. But, predators are part of these collections, I will never consider to remove the fox from my Reisler golden eagle. Laughing OK, I agree that foxes are more common than Lepidotes. Wink


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I would definitely agree--gars are far more unique looking than Lepidotes! Especially as represented by the figure.

The only other one I know of is attached to the claw of the Invicta Baryonyx! If it wasn't such a hard, molded plastic, I would try and find a cheap spare one and remove the fish!

A spare one in a very poor condition once the Invicta baryonyx is an impressive figure. It is amazing that you can identify the often negleted prey in these figures. I could never guess what it could be. But, predators are part of these collections, I will never consider to remove the fox from my Reisler golden eagle. Laughing OK, I agree that foxes are more common than Lepidotes. Wink


Well, that's why I would want a spare...I like my existing one!

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:07 pm

Amazing collection! I'm so glad you decided to "self promote" because I love these prehistoric fishes too, especially the gars and sturgeons. Here I thought no or very few examples of these existed in toy form, but now I see there are almost too many to choose from. Great collection of arapaima and lungfish, too! I also really like your xiphactinus. This is one I'm surprised isn't more popular since it's a relatively well known species that has been featured in quite a few documentaries.
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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Sun Aug 28, 2016 7:00 pm

As mentioned, I realized that I had several figures that should be in this thread--but just haven't gotten to it!

So now I am adding them! Most of the photos will have at least one model from before for comparison of size.
ACTINOPTERYGII
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Bichirs:

A few more bichirs--the very large P. endlicheri from Favorite, and two versions of the P. senegalus from Fauna Figures--the 'normal' and a special-request albino. Compared to every other bichir figure out there...it isn't enough:

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Paddlefish:

The Fauna Figures Paddlefish, compared to the 3D printed one, and the Colorata sturgeon (scale isn't too bad):

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Bowfin

The FaunaFigures Fishes Bowfin, the only current model of this fish.

So I had to compare it to a couple of its living relatives--the 6" Replica Toy Fish Longnose gar (scale's about right) and the Colorata Alligator gar (just because).

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The Bonytongues!

Arowana
The new Favorite Silver Arowana, a fish that isn't made much, with the Kaiyodo Aqualand arowana and a Yujin Asian arowana

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Pirarucu & African Bonytongue--Family Arapaimidae

The Favorite Arapaima, a favorite species for many Japanese companies, is probably the largest onne available. And the other new one is the only figure of its kind, from the same family--the African Bonytongue, Heterotis niloticus

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African Bonytongues are strange fish--they are filter feeders in freshwater waterways throughout much of continental Africa (and have been introduced elsewhere, even into Madagascar, as food fish). Heterotis is also called the African Arowana, but recent work indicates that they are more closely related to the giant Arapaima, despite very different appearances and lifestyles.

The 'other osteoglossomorph families'--Pantodontidae, Notopteridae, Mormyridae

in the FaunaFigures Fishes, we added one more of the osteoglossomorph species that has never been done--the African Butterflyfish Pantodon buchholzi. It is pictured with the 3D printed mormyrid and featherfin knifefish. Unfortunately, the mold for the Butterflyfish may be too damaged, and I'm not sure if it can be recovered. But we will work towards another eventually!

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(now we just need an Aba-Aba to include all of the osteoglossomorph families. It's on the list eventually!).

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African Lungfish Protopteridae:

For some reason, no one has made any African lungfish--until FaunaFigures Fishes. Just lots of Australian lungfish (I included a few in the photo--Colorata, Epoch and Yowies).

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On the left is the original model, Protopterus annectens, the West African lungfish. On the left is a custom-request paint scheme for Protopterus aethiopicus, The Leopard Lungfish or Marbled Lungfish. Although the figures are the same size and mold (they appear very similar), the real animals are quite different in size--the West African species is about 1m, while the Marbled can reach over 2m.
The protopterid lungfish (like the South American lepidosirenid lungfish) are more derived air-breathing specialists, with fully functioning lungs. Unlike the Australian species, these species are obligate air-breathers that (as adults) don't even have functional lungs. And they are all capable of aestivating--burying in mud during dry periods while still breathing.

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Coelacanth

It wouldn't be an Ancient Fishes post without at least one new Coelcanth model, from Japan of course. This is from the Ancient Fishes line from Favorite, and it is a big figure--pictured with the Safari and Colorata model, to give a sense of just how big! Plus, there is an even larger one (one of the large Vinyl toys) but I don't have that yet.

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Okay, so this is the first foray outside of the 'bony fishes' but it is a first (although I think there is a goofy toy or two out there). We made  a FaunaFigures Fishes Lamprey, because it is about time! This one is an American Brook Lamprey, Lethenteron appendix. Although famous for being parasitic animals, the brook lamprey is not--juveniles (amocoets are bottom feeders (detrivores, if you're fancy), while adults don't feed at all--they breed and die. So the Safari Largemouth bass in the photo, roughly to similar scale, is perfectly safe!

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At some point, I will try and get a post up of whatever other fossil agnathan figures there are. It will be short…! And maybe the other fossil fish groups too...

And I really hope these photos work...

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:24 am

Fabulous set of pictures and wonderfully presented, Sean! Very Happy Most are extremely realistic when compared with the real thing, I guess. cheers
Completely off topic, have you noticed that Yowies USA released a very modern fish but rare in toy shape... the Devil's hole pupfish? Not comparable in detail witht hese masterpieces but surely interesting for a fish lover. Very Happy

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Roger, I had not seen that--but I'm going to need to chase it down! Thanks!

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Thu Sep 01, 2016 3:08 am

Thanks for sharing your newest pictures.  They're amazing!  The favorite arapaima in particular is a real stand out piece.  That particular species seems to be growing in popularity around the world and it's little wonder since they're so spectacular.

Bichirs are actually a new species for me, but just looking them up briefly on google, I can see why they're popular as well.  Not only do they resemble a missing link between fish and amphibians, but they have such gorgeous colors and patterns.  Your figures definitely represent the real thing very nicely.

I'm also surprised there aren't a lot of African lungfish since this is the species I first think of when I hear the "lungfish" name.  They actually do seem quite different from the Australian variety which makes me wonder if the two species are an example of convergent evolution (unrelated, but have very similar characteristics).  Very cool lamprey, too!  This one I think could be very appealing to the general public because it has the cool and scary factor going for it.
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Thanks for sharing your newest pictures.  They're amazing!  The favorite arapaima in particular is a real stand out piece.  That particular species seems to be growing in popularity around the world and it's little wonder since they're so spectacular.

Bichirs are actually a new species for me, but just looking them up briefly on google, I can see why they're popular as well.  Not only do they resemble a missing link between fish and amphibians, but they have such gorgeous colors and patterns.  Your figures definitely represent the real thing very nicely.

I'm also surprised there aren't a lot of African lungfish since this is the species I first think of when I hear the "lungfish" name.  They actually do seem quite different from the Australian variety which makes me wonder if the two species are an example of convergent evolution (unrelated, but have very similar characteristics).  Very cool lamprey, too!  This one I think could be very appealing to the general public because it has the cool and scary factor going for it.

The lungfish are related, but the Australian is definitely more primitive, looking a lot more like some fossil species. The Afro-American ones (Lepidosireniformes, if you're fancy!) are definitely more derived; like many living things, they are what's left of an anicent and diverse group (kind of like the bichirs, the gars, the bowfin, the coelacanths, the bonytongues...!). Of the 'primtive' lineages, only the sturgeon seem to remain diverse (human influence notwithstanding); but the paddlefish are as restricted as the rest!

And, yeah, bichirs are totally my true spirit animal. I first discovered them when I was 12, and have always been facinated by them. I am guessing that they would be more familiar and popular if they originated somewhere other than the Congo river system. Keeping them in a fish tank is pretty easy, I've kept several species (and have 3 right now!).

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The lungfish are related, but the Australian is definitely more primitive, looking a lot more like some fossil species. The Afro-American ones (Lepidosireniforems, if you're fancy!) are definitely more derived; like many living things, they are what's left of an anicent and diverse group (kind of like the bichirs, the gars, the bowfin, the coelacanths, the bonytongues...!). Of the 'primtive' lineages, only the sturgeon seem to remain diverse (human influence notwithstanding); but the paddlefish are as restricted as the rest!

Very interesting information. I actually would have guessed the African variety were more primitive since their overall design and body shape, particularly the fins, looks a lot more simplistic. I had no idea the Australian ones dated that far back into prehistory, essentially unchanged. No wonder you see so much more of them. I bet they'd be interesting to observe in real life as well.

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Very nice! Congratulations on owning this unique species! If they're as easy keepers as you say they are, I'm sure they'll grow in popularity. It took a long time for gars to become popular, even in the US (people seem to be all about bass and catfish here), but then again, you can't really own them unless you have a zoo.
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Very interesting information.  I actually would have guessed the African variety were more primitive since their overall design and body shape, particularly the fins, looks a lot more simplistic.  I had no idea the Australian ones dated that far back into prehistory, essentially unchanged.  No wonder you see so much more of them.  I bet they'd be interesting to observe in real life as well.

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And, yeah, bichirs are totally my true spirit animal. I first discovered them when I was 12, and have always been facinated by them. I am guessing that they would be more familiar and popular if they originated somewhere other than the Congo river system. Keeping them in a fish tank is pretty easy, I've kept several species (and have 3 right now!).

Very nice!  Congratulations on owning this unique species!  If they're as easy keepers as you say they are, I'm sure they'll grow in popularity.  It took a long time for gars to become popular, even in the US (people seem to be all about bass and catfish here), but then again, you can't really own them unless you have a zoo.

I've been keeping them for years--there is a small, but dedicated aquarist segment that keeps them.

Of course, I have kept gars as well. And arowana. And stingrays. But bichirs are the best (and easiest to maintain).

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Sat Sep 03, 2016 8:42 am

I LOVE this topic !!! Thankyou very much, Sean sunny
Beautyful pictures of beautyful fishes !! And heaps of great, new information for an ignorant like me ! I learn so much cheers

Wonderful that Barracudacat asks the questions that I didn't even know could be asked study

Topics like this seem to make it more "legal" for adults to collect toy plastic model animals Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:42 pm

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Wonderful that Barracudacat asks the questions that I didn't even know could be asked

I think it's simply because I've also been interested in prehistoric-looking fish too, particularly gars and sturgeons, since I was a child and have done a lot of research on them.  The only reason I don't collect them is simply because I never knew these fantastic figures existed until now.  Now as I mentioned, there are far too many choices.

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Of course, I have kept gars as well. And arowana. And stingrays. But bichirs are the best (and easiest to maintain).

Very nice!  It sounds like you have a zoo of your own.  I'm curious as to how you were able to keep the gars because even the smaller species still max out to about 1-2 feet long (at least the ones I'm familiar with) and they'd need to eat some sort or raw meat.  I can see now why Bichirs make better companions.
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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Mon Sep 05, 2016 9:57 pm

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Wonderful that Barracudacat asks the questions that I didn't even know could be asked

I think it's simply because I've also been interested in prehistoric-looking fish too, particularly gars and sturgeons, since I was a child and have done a lot of research on them.  The only reason I don't collect them is simply because I never knew these fantastic figures existed until now.  Now as I mentioned, there are far too many choices.

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Of course, I have kept gars as well. And arowana. And stingrays. But bichirs are the best (and easiest to maintain).

Very nice!  It sounds like you have a zoo of your own.  I'm curious as to how you were able to keep the gars because even the smaller species still max out to about 1-2 feet long (at least the ones I'm familiar with) and they'd need to eat some sort or raw meat.  I can see now why Bichirs make better companions.

First off, I kept small ones (Florida gars). And they don't grow very fast, I think mine were under 60cm. At first I had them in a 120gal wide tank (with the bichirs and arowana--and briefly, the rays). We later upgraded to a 160gal indoor pond. When we started moving around again, we found them an even larger home.

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PostSubject: Sarcopterygii update!   Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:18 am

I have some adding to do—I wanted to do some posts of primitive non-bony fishes, but I decided to first post some lobe-fin models that I forgot earlier. This includes a few less-fishy animals that were in the transition from ‘fish’ to ‘amphibians’. And which give a clear idea of why categories like ‘fish’ and ‘amphibian’ can be so awkward when the transitional forms are considered!

SARCOPTERYGII—lobe-fins
OTHER EXTINCT LOBE-FINS--TETRAPODOMORPHA
Osteolepiforms

Kaiyodo recently released a few Paleozoic models, and they fit in here nicely as a little update on their original one.

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Clockwise from bottom Left: Kaiyodo Dinotales S6-A Eusthenopteron; The new one! Kaiyodo CapsuleQ Paleozoic series Eusthenopteron on base ; Shapeways 3D-printed Hyneria; Kaiyodo Dinotales S6-B Eusthenopteron

Stegocephalians

A group that I skipped before (other than Tiktaalik)—these animals represent late stages of the Tetrapodomorpha, a paraphyletic group of fish-transitioning-to-land animals. Some of the latest are very amphibian-like, while early ones are more fishy. Except for a few very derived forms…as a group their forms are found in various parts of the world from the late Devonian up to, in a few forms, the late Carboniferous (or late Pennsylvanian, if you use the USGS terms).

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On land: Starlux Ichthyostega
In the water, L-R: Kaiyodo Dinotales Series 2 Acanthostega; Yujin NHK Miracle Planet Acanthostega off of its black base; Yujin Gashapon re-issue/repaint of Acanthostega

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L-R: Prehistoric Panorama Ichthyostega; Kaiyodo CapsuleQ Great Leap Forward series Ichthyostega

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L-R: Shapeways grey Crassigyrinus; Play Visions ‘prehistoric amphibians’ Crassigyrinus; Shapeways white Crassigyrinus

Despite the much more aquatic niche of Crassigyrinus, this animal is actually relatively derived among the stegocephalian tetrapodomorphs.

So until next times, when the weird extinct ones like Placoderms, Acanthodiians and Agnathans make their appearance! I’ll give it at least a few days!

***BONUS MESSAGE as I'm doing this, I thought I'd mention my 'wants' thread--where I am looking for a couple of fish, including the Panini lamprey and the new Yowies pupfish. Just throwing that out there!***

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:30 am

Fantastic models, and very, very interesting  study

So some of these Stegocephalians may actually be models of our ancestors ? affraid

Thankyou very much for the great job you are doing presenting them  Applause  flower

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PostSubject: Re: My 'Ancient Fishes' figures   Sun Sep 11, 2016 4:32 pm

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Fantastic models, and very, very interesting  study

So some of these Stegocephalians may actually be models of our ancestors ? affraid

Thankyou very much for the great job you are doing presenting them  Applause  flower

Thanks!

Well, they would share a common ancestor...ones like Crassigyrinus would most likely be 'dead ends' but share an ancestor with our lineage.

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