Introducing - Copperfox Model Horses

LeeAnn wrote:

The horses for the people who pledged are currently in the process of being painted, they're just not finished yet. We'll still get those in March.

Bloodrayne wrote:

Yes, ofcourse those horse will see the day of light.
And March will give us a glimp of what could've been or what will be happening.

Congratulations to all you lucky people who pledged.

Too exciting - can't wait! (But will have to )

Seems like Breyer is trying to compete very directly: Breyer Best of British

It was also posted on to FB earlier today on the Copperfox page, where there was also a picture of a black Welsh Cob on the Llanarth mold. The paint design very similar to the CF Welsh Cob black version.
And the Connemara pony shown on the Newsworthy mold, looks very much like the CF SR Buckskin colour...
However the pictures were deleted again  

I wish just that Breyer had released new molds for these breeds, rather than this what looks to me like a rushed decision.

However I'd love that Breyer goes on and focuses more on the international market.

Also the article says that they have a new destributor in UK.

This is definitely interesting. I find it a little premature for people to be calling out the "Breyer is copying Copperfox!!" right now - something like this isn't rolled out overnight! The photos from the catalog must have been from the NY Toy Fair, and the images for that need to be in months in advance. This very well have been Breyer's response to the cries for UK breeds.

Indeed, I wonder who was actually first on this...? I think the colour designs are very suspiciously similar.. But can be a coincidence.

Can Breyer do this in 2-3 months? Or did Becky announce her plans to Breyer before the public got to know about Copperfox, so that Breyer had more time than we know?

I think Breyer has been working on this for years. It just happens to come out at a bad time for Copperfox.

The post that was deleted on Copperfox FB page, is on the UH FB page currently: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] (Someone posted it on Blab)

LeeAnn wrote:

I think Breyer has been working on this for years. It just happens to come out at a bad time for Copperfox.

Maybe, maybe not   I believe they can work pretty fast if they need to get through with something asap, but as I know nothing about their work processes it's just my speculation.
(If they announce the models to be for spring, I believe they can manage to produce them, as fx my Harley D Zip is tagged made in May 2014, and I got him July 2014 (He was a mid-year release) - as an import to Europe/MPV). So they need only two months to produce models. And how long it takes to make a prototype and photograph it? I don't know   Then they have to instruct the factory painters to make that run. How long that takes, I don't know.

I don't blame Breyer at all that they do this. I see it as logic of competition  I just hope CF will still go on their wings. That's my biggest fear, that we won't get CF on the market.

Carola wrote:

 I just hope CF will still go on their wings. That's my biggest fear, that we won't get CF on the market.

Breyer has a few moulds of British breeds but it's a known fact that they're not the best representations - not to mention obvious serious conformation flaws (for me, Llanarth is a joke ). People have been asking Breyer for proper moulds of British breeds for years.

So I believe CF still has chance, as their moulds are SO much better then Breyer's

Mangalarga wrote:

So I believe CF still has chance, as their moulds are SO much better then Breyer's

Agree 100% !!!

That's the thing with the Breyer British breed molds. Sure, there are some but most of them are Hess molds and aren't the best representations of those breeds. Which is why people were complaining...

LeeAnn wrote:

UH is the distributor in the UK.

UH have never been the UK Distributor of Breyers in the UK. They are a supplier
The current UK Distributor is DKL Toys.

What's the difference between a distributor and a supplier? I've always used the terms interchangeably.

Ana wrote:

Mangalarga wrote:

So I believe CF still has chance, as their moulds are SO much better then Breyer's

Agree 100% !!!

Yes that!

(CF could actually end up releasing a proper Shire! I need CF to succeed!)

LeeAnn wrote:

What's the difference between a distributor and a supplier? I've always used the terms interchangeably.

A Distributor is the Wholesaler (Importer) - Breyer USA supply the distributor with the items.
The Distributor then supplies the stockists (suppliers) eg Shops/Online stores. Stockists can only get the items from the official distributor, they are not allowed to work with the Company direct (Breyer USA). My understanding is this is due to import duties, tax and EU H&S laws etc.

Interesting - thank you!

Copperfox just updated with the news that the pledge models will be delayed. They didn't make it through quality control But well, it's good that they want some standards.
However I was soooo excited to get my Buckskin Cob this month. Hopefully the delay won't be for that long.

The unpainted resins were due to arrive on time though, for those who had them in their pledge.

I hope it will then just be late March then, for the painted plastic versions

Becky also posted some photos of the Buckskin SR cob, and I spot also the Exmoor in Buckskin.
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And this was my photoshop version I made some time ago. Seems fairly close
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Really close Carola!
Oh, starting a new company it such a hard task but I hope they succeed.

Roger wrote:

Really close Carola!
Oh, starting a new company it such a hard task but I hope they succeed.

Thank you

Yes yes I really hope they'll succeed big time!

2015-06-07

I am looking forward to getting a Copperfox Dartmoor, at least.     And I hope there will be a proper Highland Pony, a nice mouse dun.  I have yet to see anyone do one correctly.

I have collected Breyer horses since I was about eight years old.  I played with them instead of dolls.  In my mind, all this fuss makes Breyer look terribly paranoid as well as dreadfully poor sports to react like this to a whole three models, even if they are definitely better breed representatives than Breyer's.  Some of the heads Breyer has put out are just repellant to me.  None of their Morgans look the way a Morgan should look.  Peter Stone got that one right.  And, of course, Ms. Eberl and some of the other freelance artists have done excellent work for Breyer, and I am very happy about that.  I have bought some of those.

Someone here before this said, well, at least Breyer puts out new molds, and they do have several I like very much.  But they don't have all that many new!  I'm 60 now, and after all these years I recognize many very old molds, that were supposed to be new in the '60s, that they have painted new colors on and given them new names, and it's just not funny.  

I was especially disappointed with Snowman, whose story was so wonderful.  That's actually, to me, one of the newer molds, but it's also put out there as two or three other famous horses.  I think one named was really the real-life sire of one of the others.  And poor old Adios!  He was a famous Standardbred, not a horse from the Horse Whisperer or Dale Evans' Buttermilk, et al.  (Looks like maybe he was retired and a little chubby when they sculpted him.)  And Man O' War and the Old Timer and that old Shetland...

Do they think we cannot see this?  Do they think we are stupid?  It smacks of laziness to me.  

I have begun, when I can afford it, to purchase artists' sculptures to paint myself.  I still have lots of Breyers around, and there are more that I would like to have.  With the older ones, I am experimenting with them so I can get better at painting.  I also want to try repositioning, and then sculpting some myself.  

Someone else mentioned Peter Stone's line.  I also like the North Light and Border Fine Arts horses.  Are they not competition?  Competition is good for keeping others on their toes.  What anyone does with the money that they make is no one else's business.  Can a person who works at McDonald's not eat at Burger King?

I am very disappointed by Breyer.  Maybe new artists and new lawyers may be in order, as well as a new PR guy.  

Of course, this whole rant is just a thought.  

Welcome here

Breyer, as well as Stone and hopefully Copperfox if they survive, produce one mold in many colors because it's the only way to make money. It's not profitable to make one horse and be done with it forever. The injection molds are incredibly expensive.

Don't think of it as a portrait model being released as another portrait horse. Think of it as the sculpt painted as a portrait of the horse. Breyer doesn't think collectors are stupid - besides, that's how congas form, by collecting horses on the same mold.

Hi, LeeAnn.  Thank you for welcoming me.

I do not wish to get into some great back-and-forth argument here.  I simply stated my opinions and thoughts.

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My main point was Breyer's threats and/or actions against Copperfox.  Dog in a manger!  There are many alternative solutions that would not make them look so -- well, so hostile, hasty, and make me think, "Hey, you big bully, leave the little guys alone!"  The rest of it just flowed from my resultant indignation.

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If a horse is famous enough, I think he deserves his own sculpture.  There are not many that famous.  

Snowman was physically distinctive, with the harness marks on his shoulders, etc.  I read a small interview with Snowman's rider and a Breyer representative.  It read as if they had made that model "just for him," which I took as sculpted for him, since the rider said something like it looks just like him.  Then I see it's Idocus or Hickstead or others I had never even heard of.  I was disappointed.  I have a couple Hickstead molds, to practice painting, so I'll just make one into Snowman.

That's just my opinion.  I've got nothing against the same mold in many colors, generally speaking.  As you say, how else can one assemble a conga?  (Though I'm not quite sure I understand the purpose of those...  Is there a class for those?)  But Man O' War and Secretariat, Ruffian, the other Triple Crown Winners, important horses, deserve their own mold.  Totilas got his own twice.  They can charge more for them as a special edition.  I think it would be great fun if Breyer produced paint-your-own versions of traditional-size models!  People are going to paint some anyway and that would save Breyer the cost of the paint.  

In my opinion, collectors will collect, and will continue to buy Breyers even when Copperfoxes are available.  If I like a horse, I really don't worry about who made it, only if I can afford it.

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

-Sherry


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sturdypeasantwoman wrote:

Hi, LeeAnn.  Thank you for welcoming me.

I do not wish to get into some great back-and-forth argument here.  I simply stated my opinions and thoughts.

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My main point was Breyer's threats and/or actions against Copperfox.  Dog in a manger!  There are many alternative solutions that would not make them look so -- well, so hostile, hasty, and make me think, "Hey, you big bully, leave the little guys alone!"  The rest of it just flowed from my resultant indignation.

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If a horse is famous enough, I think he deserves his own sculpture.  There are not many that famous.  

Snowman was physically distinctive, with the harness marks on his shoulders, etc.  I read a small interview with Snowman's rider and a Breyer representative.  It read as if they had made that model "just for him," which I took as sculpted for him, since the rider said something like it looks just like him.  Then I see it's Idocus or Hickstead or others I had never even heard of.  I was disappointed.  I have a couple Hickstead molds, to practice painting, so I'll just make one into Snowman.

That's just my opinion.  I've got nothing against the same mold in many colors, generally speaking.  As you say, how else can one assemble a conga?  (Though I'm not quite sure I understand the purpose of those...  Is there a class for those?)  But Man O' War and Secretariat, Ruffian, the other Triple Crown Winners, important horses, deserve their own mold.  Totilas got his own twice.  They can charge more for them as a special edition.  I think it would be great fun if Breyer produced paint-your-own versions of traditional-size models!  People are going to paint some anyway and that would save Breyer the cost of the paint.  

In my opinion, collectors will collect, and will continue to buy Breyers even when Copperfoxes are available.  If I like a horse, I really don't worry about who made it, only if I can afford it.

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

-Sherry


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Welcome here :)

Yes, welcome!

Giving this a little bump as the first Regular Run Copperfox models go on sale on the 31st March

I can't wait

Thanks Jackie, that's really exciting!

whitestones wrote:

Giving this a little bump as the first Regular Run Copperfox models go on sale on the 31st March

I can't wait

Very exciting! Yay, I wish I could afford one, I need to check if I can I feel that some of the models will be sold out very quickly.