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PostSubject: "Feathered" Raptors   "Feathered" Raptors EmptyMon Feb 01, 2021 7:00 pm

What's the big deal with specifically calling fully-feathered, fluffy Velociraptors "feathered" as if it's unusual or special? Companies should realize that Velociraptors and other Maniraptorans were 100% feathered and take that for granted when it comes to the names of the products. Fossils directly show evidence for feathers in 59 non-avialan* species, one of them being Velociraptor mongoliensis! In addition, this implies that all maniraptorans and quite a few other dinosaurs had feathers (i.e. feathered Deinonychus, feathered Utahraptor, quilled ceratopsians, fluffy baby Tyrannosaurus*, etc.). So the feathers of Velociraptor in particular aren't just implied, they were certainly present as wing feathers. So why are companies STILL marketing their scientifically-accurate Velociraptors as "Feathered Velociraptors" instead of just Velociraptors, and also still selling naked (the 88034 CollectA Velociraptor, the Mojo 387079 Velociraptor, the Papo 55023 Velociraptor) or almost-naked (the green 14530 Schleich Velociraptor, the Mojo 387225 and 387410 Velociraptors) Deinonychuses as Velociraptors alongside them? It must be because the public is too familiar with the "Velociraptors" in the Jurassic Park franchise. At least Safari got rid of its featherless raptors, but their most accurate raptor is labelled "Feathered". Papo has sold various versions of accurate raptors labelled "Feathered" alongside scaly, Jurassic Park-inspired, Deinonychus lookalikes.

Clarification *1: This list doesn't include avialans such as Archaeopteryx, enantinornithines, or any avians (modern birds), so including non-avian avialans (basal birds) would increase the number even higher.
Clarification *2: It is not especially likely that fully-grown Tyrannosauruses had feathers; feathered hatchlings are more reasonable. Yutyrannus, a tyrannosaur about a third the size of Tyrannosaurus, was covered in protofeathers, and Dilong, a basal tyrannosaur, was as well. Many paleontologists now think that adult Tyrannosauruses did not have any feather covering due to their enormous size. A feathered animal of this size could overheat very easily. Tyrannosaurus very likely evolved directly from feathered ancestors, so it wouldn’t be too far-fetched to at least assume that hatchlings and perhaps juveniles and immatures would retain a coat of fuzzy feathers, a hypothesis which has been in existence for quite some time (see the PNSO baby Tyrannosaurus).


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PostSubject: Re: "Feathered" Raptors   "Feathered" Raptors EmptyMon Feb 01, 2021 7:59 pm

Major brands need to sell as much as possible and, for most people, dinosaurs are naked reptiles.
Even among dino collectors I remember debates , 15 years ago, on DTF to accept or not that some dinos had feathers, some members thought that dino feathers were fake just like the Piltdown man. The truth is that the idea only hurts their habits.
I was a feathers defender just because it was in line with my convictions.
The funny thing about Trex is that elephants and big mammals are also almost naked so it makes sense.
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PostSubject: Re: "Feathered" Raptors   "Feathered" Raptors EmptyMon Feb 01, 2021 8:17 pm

Exactly. Also, I’ve heard the sparsely feathered or featherless Tyrannosaurus being compared to the fluffy Yutyrannus as elephant vs. mammoth. (mammoths were smaller and lived in colder climates than modern elephants today) This could also be the reason why Nanuqsaurus, a smaller tyrannosaur of colder climates, is typically restored with a full coat of (usually polar bear-white*) feathers like Yutyrannus.
I made the point that the general public thinks Velociraptors were scaly Deinonychuses. The Jurassic Park franchise seems to be a big reason why people have outdated ideas about dinosaurs.
*Nanuqsaurus means “polar bear lizard”. Also, polar bear fur is actually hollow and reflective; the white is a structural color caused by sunlight. Just a fun fact about polar bears!
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PostSubject: Re: "Feathered" Raptors   "Feathered" Raptors EmptyMon Feb 01, 2021 8:28 pm

Indeed Polar bears are brown bears in disguise Laughing

About Jurassic park, it's the story of the hen or the egg, Spielberg made outdated dinosaurs because people (and Spielberg too) thought dinosaurs were like that. Even outdated it was a big progress, at least they were not stupid reptiles (reptiles are not stupid) who leave their tails on the ground all day long.
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PostSubject: Re: "Feathered" Raptors   "Feathered" Raptors EmptyMon Feb 01, 2021 9:25 pm

Right. Scientific commentaries on Jurassic Park say that it was relatively accurate and progressive for its time with its agile, intelligent Velociraptors, less tail dragging, the wading Spinosaurus, and so on. But for continuity reasons, the inaccuracies ended up having to stay.
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PostSubject: Re: "Feathered" Raptors   "Feathered" Raptors EmptyMon Feb 01, 2021 10:10 pm

Lest's hope someone will make a new blockbusters with accurate dinos... Until we consider them false 20 years later Laughing
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