Brand Identification topic

Ohhhh! It is beautyful !!!! And look at that saddle and tack !   

I have no idea where it comes from, but both of those horses are beautyful   

I don´t know too, but really nice horse     

smallscaleworld wrote:

I don't mean to question you when you've got the thing in your possession...but it looks like an Airfix kit horse? Are you sure it's composition...does it have a join mark, the Airfix horses are two halves with a glued-on mane and fringe, the reins being cut by the modeller from styrene sheet? The ammo pouches make it look like maybe the Bengal lancer's equipment?

Oops, you might be right it not being composition. I tapped it with a fingernail and it actually feels like plastic. But there are no signs of two halves glued together and I could not find it on the airfix page you provided. I have an older airfix bengal lancer in my collection, but that is much bigger and clearly from a kit. Here it is
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The Bengal lancer came in two sizes, yours is the BIG (1:16th scale) one! The mane is not right for the small lancer though (which was the same as yours but in 1:32).

I think it is one of the kit horses, however if it's been filled and sanded (and textured?) the join line won't be obvious...Airfix did maybe a dozen or so (without going and looking it up) mostly Napoleonic or other 'historical' subjects, Tamiya did several WWII ones; a German general-service wagon team and a field kitchen, along a reconnaissance scout (I think) and Heller may have produced one or two (I know they did a Donkey in French North African service!).

We need someone who knows his or her military horse furniture!!! 

[I started a page for Airfix the other day, please put a shot of the lancer's Horse there!  ]

I think all of the unknowns in the photos here (along with some 'knowns' for comparison) were UK vintage (probably 1955-59) made.
None are marked, and they are copies, or 'obviously inspired by' UK makes.

1) Bulls:

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Top row are three 'knowns':
Top left: Britains/Herald (early version in white plastic. This figure seen more often in later incarnation as a Jersey)
Top centre: Cherilea bull, marked and well known, I think first made 1960/61
Top right: Lead T&B/FGT (many later plastic items by FGT and B&S were of previous lead figures, but not all.....)
Bottom row are four 'unknowns':
left: direct copy of the Herald bull
2nd: reversed leg positions variation of Herald bull
3rd: another similar. Possibly Trojan(Shipton) brand?
right: another 'inspired by'. I was told it was FGT when I bought it from well known dealer and expert Adrian Little, but I'd like confirmation/proof.

Apart from FGT and Trojan(Shipton), other companies I think may have made these are Hilco, pre 1960 Cherilea, B&S, or Paramount (Mr Lucas, formerly 'Sacul' brand in lead),
or (getting more complicated) designed by Paramount, but not sold by them, but moulds sold on to B&S.

In the 'Plastic Warrior Special, UK Makers' there is mention of a now unknown, possibly freelance, designer who did stuff for several UK brands, some of which were 'inspired by' Britains and other brands, but always changed a bit, so not to be direct copies. Methinks some of these bulls were by whoever it was.

Next up are two photos, one of chickens, the other ducks/geese, which I bought on eBay recently.
I thought them interesting because they are plastic copies of old UK made lead poultry by various makers. In both photos, the recent unknown purchase items are on the left, with the original equivalents to the right.

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Top: Unknown copy of FGT cock, centre FGT cock in lead, right FGT cock in plastic.
Middle: Unknown copy of JoHillCo pecking hen, Original lead JoHillCo hen, Plastic copy of it by Reisler, Denmark - close, but not the same as the unknown one.
Bottom: Unknown copy of lead Timpo sitting hen, Original lead Timpo sitting hen

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Top: Unknown copy of (very similar) JoHillCo or FGT walking duck, 2nd JoHillCo lead duck, 3rd FGT lead duck, right FGT plastic duck (they made this in white or brown plastic - I only have a brown one)
Middle: Unknown copy of lead Timpo walking goose, lead Timpo walking goose
Bottom: Unknown swimming duck. FGT plastic swimming duck, the first similar old item I thought of. After doing the photos I remembered another swimming duck, in lead,  which is virtually the same as the unknown one. It was originally made by a small company, Stoddart, which never restarted production after WW2 in 1945, and Timpo (then a new company) bought some of their moulds and produced them, in some cases only until they had better moulds made to replace them. Some boxed sets of lead figures in the early 1950s contained a mix of old Stoddart and new Timpo items.

So, Hugh? Chris? Anyone else? Ideas? Better still, actual evidence?

See my eMail of the other day!!!!

I Was expecting this post and as I scolled down thought "well that middle one is the Cherilea bull"!

Trojan are in the frame for the ex-Timpo's I think?

H

smallscaleworld wrote:

See my eMail of the other day!!!!

I Was expecting this post and as I scrolled down thought "well that middle one is the Cherilea bull"!

Trojan are in the frame for the ex-Timpo's I think?

H

I'm starting to think Trojan for some of these, and other unknowns I have, because the list in the PW Trojan Special doesn't correspond to the Speedwell/UNA farm range (so I'm less inclined to agree with PW that Trojan farm were the same as Speedwell & friends farm), but the Trojan list doesn't correspond with all of these either.

I suppose I could say that as there are 4 unknown bulls, there must be 4 unknown farm ranges, so it then is a matter of discovering which ones go with which. Of course they probably won't all be complete ranges, especially any produced by B&S or FGT, which were 'space fillers', for the gaps when they split up as T&B. The 'possibly designed by Paramount' animals known in B&S boxed sets are very different style (much more elegant) than most T&B/B&S/FGT figures.

Keeps us off the streets I suppose.       

Paramount are funny because they have the 'same' wild west range as the other reprobates, but sometimes with a degree of originality, also they must have had something to go with those tractors and farm machinery - in both sizes...

The new discovery; BMS has to be in the frame as well, despite probably being a subsidiary of one of the others? (Kentoys/speedwell/Trojan/UNA or VP)

I managed to find these models at a local toy fair and would be grateful for any help with identifying the makers.The little lion has England on the bottom and looks like he's form a circus set.The dogs have no mark on them and the moose is made from hollow hard plastic.
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Dogs were given as premiums with Kellogg's cereals, early, probably before the soldiers/cowboys/etc by Crescent. Dogs were made in Germany by DOM (a set of 20), but I think they only did 6 for Kellogg's, the other 3 being a Corgi (ochre colour), Scottie (black), Poodle (white). I have spares of all 3 if you want - PM me.

The lion was also a Kellogg's premium, circus set, this time by Crescent. I have a spare of the (small) elephant on a tub if you want.

No idea about the moose.

They are WONDERFUL   

I am crazy about those doggies

SUSANNE wrote:

They are WONDERFUL   

I am crazy about those doggies

I have quite a lot of spare doggies if you want, although as Taos started the thread, better wait until know if he wants any (I only have one spare Poodle). PM me.

They are great, congrats!

Have PMed you.Thanks for all the wonderful info on the models.Susanne I have a spare Dachshund if you are interested.

Very nice and interesting figurines

I think the moose is Beton Bergen  

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I was in Aliexpress (maybe most of you know this website: a Chinese website with a lot of things to buy; like a big online Chinese bazar   ) and I found some interesting horses

First ''Benma'' horses. Anybody heard about it? I searched on the internet and I found a brand but they haven't horses

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They are good done and not so expensive

What is that? An expensive horse with no brand

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The same seller has two other expensive models. They remember me Schleich fjord and Schleich icelandic

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Does anybody known anything about these horses?

This foal looks like the Schleich camargue one

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And this other foal is quite similar to one Safari Ltd. foal

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Other foal for the same seller

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I also found this one (maybe the Black Lipizzaner SR edition of MPV?)

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And what's about these?

I found all of them except the kanbstrupper horse and the white horse with the hand up

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The Fjord and Icelandic are Bullyland Models?? the last link are also all bullyland  

Have you the reference of the knabstrupper horse and the white horse hand up of the last link? I haven't

Thank u!

The two last ones are Safari ( foals)

The Fjord and Icey are made for Kindertoyz by Bullyland, the brand says Kindertoyz, but it is the same model.

Blip is the brand Blip toys.
The Bullyland Knabstrupper has item no 62623, - the one with the saddle ( hand up ?) is the Arab mare no 62677

SUSANNE wrote:

The two last ones are Safari ( foals)

The Fjord and Icey are made for Kindertoyz by Bullyland, the brand says Kindertoyz, but it is the same model.

Blip is the brand Blip toys.
The Bullyland Knabstrupper  has item no 62623, - the one with the saddle ( hand up ?) is the Arab mare no 62677

Woooow! As we say in Spanish you don't go to bed without learning something

And.. do you have any information about blip?

Who knows about the brand? of this vampire squid that i got from Lance Thanks

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he is marked with 1997 DOS- is this the brand? I have never heard of that before