Brand Identification topic

Hello! It's nice ot be on this forum again!

Lumpasaur wrote:

Hello! It's nice ot be on this forum again!

Welcome:)

Last year I became the lucky owner of these two, who look like they have been sharing a huge jar of blackcurrant jam with chilly  
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Roger found this page for me, and the model of the sloth bear is ( almost?) the same as this elastolin one, but the paintwork is very different
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Can anybody confirm that it is the same ?

But the hilarious wooly hippo ! I don't have a clue
He is a composition model
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Nice models Susanne, could it be possible that these figurines are copys from Hong Kong because the origin Elastolin was also produced there? I have a few birds from a Elastolin serie where i have the same no idea:)

widukind wrote:

Nice models Susanne, could it be possible that these figurines are copys from Hong Kong because the origin Elastolin was also produced there? I have a few birds from a Elastolin serie where i have the same no idea:)

Thanks, Andreas
Did they make the Massefiguren in Hong Kong ?

SUSANNE wrote:

widukind wrote:

Nice models Susanne, could it be possible that these figurines are copys from Hong Kong because the origin Elastolin was also produced there? I have a few birds from a Elastolin serie where i have the same no idea:)

Thanks, Andreas
Did they make the Massefiguren in Hong Kong ?

I don't know about these figures in particular, but in general terms:
1) They didn't make composition figures in Hong Kong.
but
2) They did make composition figures in US occupied Japan circa 1946-56, before they changed to plastic.

Many of these would have been copied of German brands, because at that time the US occupying authorities were not exactly bothered about piracies of German copyrighted items.

All of these 'Made in Occupied Japan' figures, be they composition, lead, or early plastic are considered very collectable nowadays, often more so that the originals they copied which are usually more common than these copies.

SUSANNE wrote:

widukind wrote:

Nice models Susanne, could it be possible that these figurines are copys from Hong Kong because the origin Elastolin was also produced there? I have a few birds from a Elastolin serie where i have the same no idea:)

Thanks, Andreas
Did they make the Massefiguren in Hong Kong ?

I think not:)

Thankyou, Dave and Andreas

Susanne, I hope someone can help you with these two. I tried and failed, these composition figures need some experienced collectors to be identified and also a sharp eye.

I have sent a PM to Sue & Lesley, - perhaps they know

SUSANNE wrote:

I have sent a PM to Sue & Lesley, - perhaps they know

Maybe we can open a topic only dedicated to identify composition figures and we invite some expert/friends to track it. It seems these figures belong to a certain niche of collectors and cannot be easily identified without some experience.
I hope you good luck, they surely are experts.

Great idea

Roger wrote:

SUSANNE wrote:

I have sent a PM to Sue & Lesley, - perhaps they know

Maybe we can open a topic only dedicated to identify composition figures and we invite some expert/friends to track it. It seems these figures belong to a certain niche of collectors and cannot be easily identified without some experience.
I hope you good luck, they surely are experts.

Alternatively, how about simply dividing the Brand Identification Topic into 'Modern' and 'Vintage' sections?

For me, the problem would be to know IF an un-identified model is vintage or not

SUSANNE wrote:

For me, the problem would be to know IF an un-identified model is vintage or not

If the section was divided into modern & vintage, and you were faced with such a dilemma, you could post it in both.
I doubt this problem would happen often, as most modern figures are larger scale and in plastic, whereas vintage figures can be lead, aluminium, composition and if plastic, usually in smaller scales.

I'm just thinking members would look at the brand identification section(s) more often if they had a better idea of what had been posted. I know some members collect both modern and vintage figures, but think the majority collect one OR the other.

I fully agree that there are too many brands/styles/interests mixed together

Back to the "Wooly Hippo " , - I found out what she is
She is from Chiralu ( Italy) 1930

SUSANNE wrote:

I fully agree that there are too many brands/styles/interests mixed together

Back to the "Wooly Hippo " , - I found out what she is
She is from Chiralu ( Italy) 1930

You mean Chialu, Susanne? I've found a different one in Guruzen collection but as it was different, I haven't considered that Chialu ahd another one. Actually, Chialu makes very bizarre figures, mainly their anteater that I hope to  get someday.

Chialu hippo from Guruzen's collection

DaveScriv wrote:

SUSANNE wrote:

For me, the problem would be to know IF an un-identified model is vintage or not

If the section was divided into modern & vintage, and you were faced with such a dilemma, you could post it in both.
I doubt this problem would happen often, as most modern figures are larger scale and in plastic, whereas vintage figures can be lead, aluminium, composition and if plastic, usually in smaller scales.

I'm just thinking members would look at the brand identification section(s) more often if they had a better idea of what had been posted. I know some members collect both modern and vintage figures, but think the majority collect one OR the other.

Your points are interesting Dave and Susanne.Maybe we don't need new sections, just topics for lead and composition once those are easy identifiable materials and both are exclusive to vintage brands and another topic about plastic figures, both vintage or modern.

Roger wrote:

Your points are interesting Dave and Susanne.Maybe we don't need new sections, just topics for lead and composition once those are easy identifiable materials and both are exclusive to vintage brands and another topic about plastic figures, both vintage or modern.

Sound great to me

Yep, although perhaps the actual wording might be plastic v 'all other materials', as apart from lead and composition there were also aluminium, carved wood, some ceramics, plaster, and those not quite normal plastic - those old hollow celluloid figures.

Wow, its been a while since I said anything. Anyways, I have a couple questions about the new home page design. What brand is the dapple horse? And the grizzly bear's brand? And finally, the brand of the dog (its a Akita Inu right?) Just some figures I would like to look in to buying.

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As for the rest... I'll leave it to the more discerning folk...

Kat26 wrote:

Wow, its been a while since I said anything. Anyways, I have a couple questions about the new home page design.  What brand is the dapple horse? And the grizzly bear's brand? And finally, the brand of the dog (its a Akita Inu right?) Just some figures I would like to look in to buying.

I don't know about the horse. but the Grizzly Bear and (I think) the Akita Inu are Kitan Club.

Perhaps someone (Anna?) could give us a run down on what each of these figures are -- assuming that hasn't already been done on another thread. I think some of these are customized versions. I'd really like to know what brand the Elephant Calf is!

Oh yay, I found it.

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I'll cut and paste Anna's description of the animals in her (awesome) Logo:

Ana wrote:

Thank you for the good words about the logo Alvaro, Tove and Simone. It's nice to know you like it.
Now to answer the question, from left to right you see following animals there:
Iberian Ibex (custom made by Miguel from Signatustudio) Papo chamois, Papo repainted reindeer, Kitan Club macaque, Schleich Golden eagle, Asian Elephant calf designed in 3D program by Andrew (here printed and hand painted version in scale 1:22) Kitan Club Shiba, Kaiyodo Bran Owl, Breyer Stablemates Percheron horse, Kitan Club Japanese Brown Bear, Papo tigress with cub, Papo Lioness, Kaiyodo pink bird (forgot the species sorry ) Schleich standing bear and Papo fox