Species identification topic

Pardofelis wrote:

Certainly not cormorant-shaped, nor coloured. The sape is very good for a tropical pigeon. None matches exactly this colours but I think you can match it with some imperial pigeon or fruit dove.

Birdsage wrote:

This has the body shape of a falcon and the colors of some suboscine passerine.

Well, a mixture of falcon and imperial pigeon ... clever, but we are not saved

By “suboscine” I mean manakins, cotingas, tyrant flycatchers, pittas, etc.

The colors most closely match a blue manakin.

Could be some pitta in the coloration but mostly Blue Manakin.

Yes but a manakin with a falcon shape.

That is what I meant.

I said that the COLORATION was a little pitta and mostly manakin. The shape is of a bird of prey.

I wanted to added to TAW, since it is a vintage figure, I think it is safer to enter it as a generic falcon, even if no raptor has this kind of colors

You can enter it as a generic falcon.

Alright Birdsage, I will do it

Thanks.

And while you’re at it, identify the AAA Hawk as a Rough-legged Hawk.

Why a Rough-legged buzzard instead of a common buzzard ? Rough-legged buzzard have feathers to the toes, I can't see them on the AAA hawk.

Some (even close) photos of this species I’ve seen don’t really show the foot feathers, and the less distinct pattern, heavy feathering, and gray color scheme seems closer to Rough-legged Buzzard/Hawk. Also, it is marked “Hawk”.  While this species is called Rough-legged Hawk in North America (where it does occur fairly commonly), the Common Buzzard (a species that has never been recorded in North America) is virtually never called or even considered a hawk anywhere (despite belonging to the same genus as various New World “hawks”, e.g. Red-tailed, Red-shouldered, etc.) except in articles describing the ambiguity of terms like “buzzard” and “hawk” to American audiences.

No, the figure don't have at all the shape of a falcon. It have the shape of a pigeon clearly. It's absolutely not a raptor.
The colours could match a Hooded Pitta vaguely, but basically not a blue mannakin ones.

Hmm. The head and the elongated, somewhat straight bill with a hooked tip could very well be from a pigeon, but the overall impression (long and lean, with very long, pointed wings) doesn’t match the plump, rounded shape of a pigeon or dove. The general pattern looks a little like that of a manakin, but you are right that the color hue is closer to a pitta of some sort. This just seems like a fantasy hybrid of imperial pigeon (head), falcon (body and wings), Blue Manakin, pitta, and perhaps some more, and marketed as a cormorant of all things.

One version of the Bullyland Peregrine Falcon looks more like a mislabeled Gyrfalcon.

Birdsage wrote:

Some (even close) photos of this species I’ve seen don’t really show the foot feathers, and the less distinct pattern, heavy feathering, and gray color scheme seems closer to Rough-legged Buzzard/Hawk. Also, it is marked “Hawk”.  While this species is called Rough-legged Hawk in North America (where it does occur fairly commonly), the Common Buzzard (a species that has never been recorded in North America) is virtually never called or even considered a hawk anywhere (despite belonging to the same genus as various New World “hawks”, e.g. Red-tailed, Red-shouldered, etc.) except in articles describing the ambiguity of terms like “buzzard” and “hawk” to American audiences.

This model isn't an American product, it was sold by Bullyland, there is no reason to think it is a buzzard of course, but it means it can't be a rough-legged hawk since for European people a rough-legged hawk is a buzzard.

Pardofelis wrote:

No, the figure don't have at all the shape of a falcon. It have the shape of a pigeon clearly. It's absolutely not a raptor.
The colours could match a Hooded Pitta vaguely, but basically not a blue mannakin ones.

Sincerely, it could also be a badly made magpie, this model is a vintage one soaccuracy is of course a bit so so

Are you getting confused? That’s about the AAA Hawk, not the Bullyland Falcon.

I didn’t know or think that the AAA Hawk was a Bullyland product.

I knew that Bullyland sold some AAA products, but not the birds.

Birdsage wrote:

I knew that Bullyland sold some AAA products, but not the birds.

Of course they sold the birds, they were known as Bullyland before AAA

Kikimalou wrote:

Birdsage wrote:

I knew that Bullyland sold some AAA products, but not the birds.

Of course they sold the birds, they were known as Bullyland before AAA

Sold by Bullyland as Fremdserie

Kikimalou wrote:

Birdsage wrote:

Some (even close) photos of this species I’ve seen don’t really show the foot feathers, and the less distinct pattern, heavy feathering, and gray color scheme seems closer to Rough-legged Buzzard/Hawk. Also, it is marked “Hawk”.  While this species is called Rough-legged Hawk in North America (where it does occur fairly commonly), the Common Buzzard (a species that has never been recorded in North America) is virtually never called or even considered a hawk anywhere (despite belonging to the same genus as various New World “hawks”, e.g. Red-tailed, Red-shouldered, etc.) except in articles describing the ambiguity of terms like “buzzard” and “hawk” to American audiences.

This model isn't an American product, it was sold by Bullyland, there is no reason to think it is a buzzard of course, but it means it can't be a rough-legged hawk since for European people a rough-legged hawk is a buzzard.

Just going by appearance, I thought that it had to be some sort of buteo. It can’t be any species Europeans call hawks, because it does not look like an accipiter.

If it was sold by Bullyland, a German company, you are right that it wouldn’t  make much sense for a buteo to be sold as a hawk, at least if it is a Eurasian species.

It was probably sold as a generic Accipitridae species, modeled after a Buteo species, but not sold as a buzzard. In that case, just call it whatever looks the closest to the figure.
Rough-legged Hawk/Buzzard is the best identification I can come up with.

Also, are you sure it was never officially sold in the US, at least after Bullyland discontinued it from their lines?
There is currently an eBay seller selling them from Alabama under the brand Mamejo Nature in mass numbers and new, along with the perched Brown Pelican, so there might’ve been some cases like that in brick-and-mortar stores in the US too.

I know that this is a buteo and not an accipiter because the figure is heavyset and broad-winged in shape, and it doesn’t have the gray or gray-brown countershading pattern that goshawks, sparrowhawks, and the Cooper’s and Sharp-shinned Hawks have.