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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:13 pm

Well, he specially rented or bought 3 car-garages for it, to build the zoo in there... Shocked
He will make a combi-copy of the Berlin and San Diego Zoo.
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:48 pm

Hi HKHollinstone,
Your photos are really great, i was not really telling you the difference from the diorama and the Outdoor pictures, i'm sure you know that.
It was directed at the individual who commented on the Outdoor and Indoor diorama, explaining so they could understand the meaning of a diorama.

And you are correct i have been working on a zoo diorama for around 10 years now give or take, the problem is that i started in the dark ages and has taken me some time to get to the future. I allways knew i wanted a diorama of a Zoo, i just had no idea of how i really wanted that diorama to look.

So for years as many of you have done i'm sure, i got my hands on every Schleich animal figure i could find, i then started collecting many brands, the japanese animals, and many others. The problem was that when i started to put this zoo together, nothing really looked the way i had imagined it, i had a vision of the zoo, and somewhere along the road, i started looking at the items i had as not very realistic, and it started looking as a toy setting more than any diorama.

So i went in a journey of my own to search for what i was really after, and as Willy wrote, i started getting everything custom made, from the animals to the buildings, plants and accessories, using the best artists that i could find, a lot of them i found thru museum exhibits, just looking at very detail dioramas in museums and searching for the artist who produced the items.

And there are no pictures yet, as it is an ongoing process, the scale i'm using is 1:12 since it allows for a great range of detail, but some of the items are really expensive and it takes some time to get them, i have a nearby property to my home where i store most of the items in boxes and they wait for the construction of the diorama to take place.
I have started working on many dioramas times over, and finished many of them but never lived up to my expectations, so with the new scale and items, eventually the dream will come true.
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:08 pm

Well, we hope you will start soon Danny.
And as i can remember, you already did some work, like the raptors-cage.
I hope, you succeed in making this project as you imagined it! farao
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:38 pm

Hi Willy,
Yes the two Kudus in the avatar are molds, just a begining stage of the figure, the sculting was not even finished, that is why the color looks so funny, i have told Ana about this type of polymer clay named Kato, it is the very best to work with animal molds or any figure sculting.

Even though i do not have any pics of my 1:12 scale zoo yet, i will share with you some pics of other dioramas found in museums i have visited, all in 1:12, you can appreciate the detail, and understand what a massive task this is, there has never been a truly 1:12 diorama devoted to a Zoo, some of the most treasured collections of miniatures in the world are in 1:12 scale, and i plan on adding a zoo.

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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:51 pm

"Well, we hope you will start soon Danny.
And as i can remember, you already did some work, like the raptors-cage.
I hope, you succeed in making this project as you imagined it!"


Willy,
The raptors cage was just another hard try from a different era, it is not part of the zoo diorama, when i tell you this thing will be in detail, some of the things that i have been putting together already, i can't even describe it, the detail is out this world, i have been getting a lot of items from a few contacts that i have made outhere, and words can not describe, soon i will start at least the buildup for one section.

As i believe i have mention before i'm currently working on a series of Asiatic Buildings, chinese architecture, a restaurant, an theme entrance, restrooms, small giftshop and a the very special Giant Panda enclosure, as realistic as you can imagine, from the pexiglass viewing areas, to the mini fans above the visitors in the shelter area, to the landscape of the region, well too many details to describe.

But what has really taken most of my time is the restaurant itself, it is the center piece of the area, and some of the items that it will include i had to hunt down thru my contacts in China, some are unique and antique pieces, others custom made to my specifications all part of a very large collection of 1:12 scale treasures, fine woods, real iron and bronze, copper, tile, the materials used in the restaurant would make a real life recreation of it, almost impossible at least for any zoo.
But the vision of the layout and unique design of this theme area are all very easy to recreate once this project has been finished.
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:38 pm

I really love those other diorama's you showed here from the museums!
I am a kind of person that would look for hours at those kind of beautifull things, and search for the deetails that are worked in.

The picture from the South-american camel-species is something special too, as the models are so good!
Do you have more pictures of the museum where you took those pics, and i mean from animal-models then?

As for you zoo-diorama, you only make me more curious, can't really wait to see all of the progress on that1 Shocked Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:27 pm

Hi Willy,


I have hundreds of pics of 1:12 museum scale dioramas, since i take pics from many angles, and i have put together some very large albums of this already, the South American camels were part of a bigger collection of native items from this region, and i found the animal scultor thru them, i had to do a lot of research, but when i look for a particular individual i never give up, i was real lucky to find him, and i have been very lucky to find a few others.

I'm still looking for a couple of artists but i have had no luck finding them thru their work, most of the pics in my collection are of dioramas and settings in 1:12, not too many animals, just the ones that i have gotten so far, the biggest problem is that with anything that is not birds, that seem to not interest the Animal model companies, whenever they find a good model or pose they reproduce it, and claim it of their own, that is the biggest reason why i never posted pics of the Mammals scultures in the other forum before, i have seen Safari Ltd copy poses from Schleich, and Papo, and many others.

But as soon as i get a few new figures i will include them in this forum, since eventually everything will be displayed, it is just a matter of the model being ready, and people knowing who deserves the credit, they can try to copy what they like after that. I have tried with a Chinese company that i have been in contact with to reproduce some of this figures in the right scale for collectors, since some of the poses are really unique, but they find the figures detail that i asked for, very hard to reproduce, so i have no fears that Schleich or Safari can duplicate any of them at least to detail.

This forum will be my home from now on as far as showing my new models, so before i place an item in storage next time i will take several pics of it and shared them here.
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Wed Apr 14, 2010 4:42 pm

Thanks for those pictures Danny, they are breath-taking, the detail is exceptional. The cathedral is incredible; I would have loved to have seen it for real. I really like the one with the ships at the docks, such an atmosphere there.
Your zoo sounds like it will be amazing too; I can't wait to see it. It will probably put me off doing mine though because yours will be so good! Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:06 pm

HKHollinstone thank you, i did love all of those dioramas, like Willy mention, you can just sit and take in all the detail, it is very relaxing and it has only driven my hobby even more.
Please don't stop making plans for your zoo, i have taken inspiration from other people's dioramas, and i'm sure mine when is finished will serve as an inspiration to others to do the same.
The scale and detail can be different than mine or similar, what matters most is your own vision, my recomendations to you would be to find a scale that serves you well, the scale is single most important aspect, everything has to be in scale for the single most important part of a diorama.
You could build your scale around the animals models you like most, like our dear friend Phil, who liked a zebra and took that as his ruler, sadly not everything will be in scale, and mostly they are not, very few of the animal companies have figures in scale at least as a series, but you can still find some of the figures from different makers.

One of my recent goals was to produce an experimental animal figure line for adult collectors, something that included the realistic scultures we all like and to be in perfect scale with eachother, Noah's pals tried it, but to my taste their line still looked like toys, it was not until i started digging into this that i realised what a hard job this Animal companies that i have critisized in the past really have, the Chinese, the ones that reproduce this animal figures for the most parts, are not very familiar with the real look of this animals, and some do not care at all, as a friend, Robert the Elephant Zookepper and a fellow animal model collector pointed out.
I had thought about sending a company in China the prototype of the animal from one of my figures, since that would be an alternative, but after a review of the pics i sent to the Factory management, they were very honest to tell me that the level of detail that i required would be very hard to develop and very expensive.
So i still have not made a final dessision to go thru with that project or not, since it was really not a priority for me, but the prospect of having my own animal figures line, for Adult collectors seemed very interesting, sadly i'm not sure that the prices of the figures, in order to turn a profit would be something that the collectors would be willing to spend.
I had thought that for a scale model of a animal, a realistic design, a fair price would be around 8, 10 and 15 usd per figure, but after some conversations with this factory the cost would be a higher than this, so long story short, not sure if there is a market for that.

Schleich must still produced their prototype models at home, since it is very hard to create a realistic prototype in China.
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:44 pm

I agree with Danny, do not put off your zoo just because someone else has something different, I do not say better because every one has it's own good points and bad points. I chose 1:22 because the original idea was to add species that Schleich did not produce, but as I go I realize that I am going to eventually go with all custom animals. There will be some toy type animals included, some of the Japanese models are as good as a custom model, but the scale is my problem.

I have plans to change all of the Schleich and other brand toys to custom made species. For instance I am going to to have some white tailed gnu made to replace the blue gnu by Schleich. I also have been changing the smaller animals with the Japanese models, which are far superior to the plastic brand name figures. When done there will be few toys on the diorama, and all of the plants will be custom made, either from the Japanese kits that I make or trees and plants done by Danny's model maker. Even though I do not do as much of the model as I like, I still get to do all of the rock work and grass flats, which is what I enjoy, I also have to make all of the stems and turnks for the Japanese kits.

So far, the end results are better then I imagined. My vision has been shared here and on other sites, and both Ana and Danny are consulted regularly with reguards to the figures and plants that are to be made. I will have approximatly 200 custom plants, (including the ones I make myself) and at least 100 animal figures between the two dioramas. I don't know how many will be custom made vs Japanese models, but Ana is so good I have no trouble if she wants to sculpt all of the figures.
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:17 pm

My good friend Phil, explained it much better than i did, your vision is your own, and i'm sure that along the way you will find many things that will inspire you to add and take from your plans, and if i can be of any help, please feel free to write, i'm allways eager to exchange ideas with any fellow diorama maker.

I have a pretty good source right here at home for the plants and buildings, and i'm currently helping Phil with his own great challenge, as well as a couple of other enthusiasts from other worlds of miniature.

I will share some pics of the work of one of my closest friends, he creates incredible buildings and structures of all sizes and detail, his work is seen in museums and many private collections, and i have had the pleasure of working with him in many projects, i'm currently trying to help him set up a website even though i keep him very bussy, but basically his works speacks for itself, we just finished buying some new tools, that were required to take his work to an even bigger level, and now we can create kits of zoo buildings etc, and ship them,
He is studied in architectural styles from around the world, with his help i have been able to fully bring to life my vision of a custom zoo, from park benches, to lamps, to brick walls.

I'm including some of his personal work, most of it in private collections, many of his pieces are one of a kind. All of this pieces are in 1:12 scale.

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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:58 pm

I would love help and ideas Danny! I will send you some plans of mine and some details I've drawn up on the computer.
Your friend's work is beautiful, I love the Tudor shop front, it really looks real, stunning. The carving above the door is incredible! Really beautiful.
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:02 pm

WOW! It males me think of the African village diorama at one point that I wanted. I was thinking of an African native village, with some cattle, in fact Ana and I have already made plans to make a herd of Ankole Watusi cattle-herders and some native. If I do another smaller African diorama that is what it will be. It will be in the same scale, so that at some point I can just add a table and attach it to the exsisting diorama.

All of these ideas mean only one thing, when I do get home I guess my work shop will have full dioramas in it. For those of you who follow the posts, there was some talk about just displaying my items in a lighted glass case, and I may still do that for some figures and trees, but back home I have a large workshop that is all mine, and my pen making area will not take up 1 / 4 the space, that means several big dioramas can be placed there. Oh well, just in time, and I really do enjoy doing them, so it is not a bad thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:12 pm

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Really nice pictures, i can see you like photography.



"AMAZING!! Wow, I'm at a loss for words. I really prefer these outdoor "dioramas" to indoor artificial ones, good as those often are. The focus, the lighting... Just wow!"

It is two very different things, this is photography of animal figures in nature, a diorama is a complete different thing, is apples and oranges, just felt i needed to clarify that for you, a very good diorama, in scale and realistic, might take a very long time to create, and they will allways be artificial, since that is the whole point of a diorama, but the real good ones, are as realistic that you can't hardly tell the difference, can't use toys for those.

Oh my. tongue I never meant to put down dioramas. I love and admire them! It may be that my definition of a diorama isn't the right one. I always thought that a diorama was any setting in which you put a miniature model to make it look realistic, whether that setting is natural or artificial. I arrived at this definition because I have seen outdoor photos like these in both this forum and the LG ones always under the "Diorama" thread. So I thought, if either kind of photograph is considered a photo of diorama, I found it fair to make the comparison. But I don't think dioramas are worse or better than anything else. What I meant was, when it comes to photos, I prefer the ones taken outdoors.

Now, I will grant that my definition was wrong. According to thefreedictionary.com, a diorama is:

"A three-dimensional miniature or life-size scene in which figures, stuffed wildlife, or other objects are arranged in a naturalistic setting against a painted background."

So if you don't want to call these photos dioramas based on such a definition, then I agree I am comparing apples to oranges. If, however, you want to call both types of pictures diorama photography, then I don't believe I am out of place in stating my preference for one or the other. Wink

Though I will say again -- I like BOTH types very much! I just think artificial dioramas make great indoor displays, while for photography the outdoors give much better results.

Also, I disagree that the whole point of a diorama is to "always be artificial." I think the point is to achieve as much REALISM as possible on a (usually) small scale. The artificial part should show as little as possible, isn't that the point? scratch I always thought so, but please share your thoughts.
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:26 pm

While I too have a different idea of a diorama, I'm more in line with Danny, I agree that some of the photos of the figures in nature can be spectacular and very realistic. My biggest problem with the outdoor scenes is you can't scale down the background and to me that takes away from the whole scene. Not that I don't like the photos, the contrary is true, I love the outdoor photos, it is just that to me a diorama is more "realistic" then one where the grass and rocks are out of scale.

I don't also don't think Danny ment to say you were putting anything down, just he is a purest, that is why his whole display will be custom made, he was just explaining the difference for a reference point.
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:35 pm

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While I too have a different idea of a diorama, I'm more in line with Danny, I agree that some of the photos of the figures in nature can be spectacular and very realistic. My biggest problem with the outdoor scenes is you can't scale down the background and to me that takes away from the whole scene. Not that I don't like the photos, the contrary is true, I love the outdoor photos, it is just that to me a diorama is more "realistic" then one where the grass and rocks are out of scale.

I don't also don't think Danny ment to say you were putting anything down, just he is a purest, that is why his whole display will be custom made, he was just explaining the difference for a reference point.

I see what you mean. I just wanted to make sure I had not offended anyone with my opinion. Personally, I like to find take photos outdoors while seeking out grasses and things that help give the illusion of realism as much as possible. Such as these I took a while back:





I perfectly understand what you mean, though. The giant leaves on the branch do take something away! Rolling Eyes Maybe I'm having a bit of diorama envy... Since I have no space to make one, and too many animal replicas in a box. tongue
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:51 pm

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I see what you mean. I just wanted to make sure I had not offended anyone with my opinion. Personally, I like to find take photos outdoors while seeking out grasses and things that help give the illusion of realism as much as possible. Such as these I took a while back:

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I perfectly understand what you mean, though. The giant leaves on the branch Thurs take something away! : Roll: Maybe I'm having a bit of envy diorama ... Since I have no space to make one, and too many animal replicas in a box. : Tongue: [/ quote]

I have the same problem, space. Right now while I am recovering I stay at my parents house, and I may be here for a year or more longer. My father and brother (my brother owns the house next door, but we live in the mountains so there is 2 acres between our houses) have a 2000 squar foot work shop with all of the woodworking and other tools, I have my pen making bench and dioramas out there, but the space, as big as it is, isn't mine so I have to try to make my use as small as possible so I don't take space away from them.
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:57 pm

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I see what you mean. I just wanted to make sure I had not offended anyone with my opinion. Personally, I like to find take photos outdoors while seeking out grasses and things that help give the illusion of realism as much as possible. Such as these I took a while back:

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I perfectly understand what you mean, though. The giant leaves on the branch Thurs take something away! : Roll: Maybe I'm having a bit of envy diorama ... Since I have no space to make one, and too many animal replicas in a box. : Tongue: [/ quote]

I have the same problem, space. Right now while I am recovering I stay at my parents house, and I may be here for a year or more longer. My father and brother (my brother owns the house next door, but we live in the mountains so there is 2 acres between our houses) have a 2000 squar foot work shop with all of the woodworking and other tools, I have my pen making bench and dioramas out there, but the space, as big as it is, isn't mine so I have to try to make my use as small as possible so I don't take space away from them.

I see, it must not be easy for you. I live with my mother still, but it isn't so much that I don't want to bother her (I pay the rent after all.) I just don't have space left in the house at all while still making the house look neat and organized. Mostly I have too many books.

I just noticed on the quote of what I wrote, on your post, that my wording is changed and some words even translated to I guess German? The forum is doing that automatically, isn't it? A little annoying. Heh! tongue
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:36 am

Some interesting discussions going on here. arrow

Well, M. is right by saying now, that a diorama is a 3-D miniature version of something in real life, or at least like something that could be real life. Idea

But there is absolutely nothing wrong with making pics outside, specially if you don't have the room at home.
That can make your pictures look more realistic indeed, but you have to search hard for the right settings, or you have to have really good photographic skills, to make it look like that. :)

I know about having not enough room, as this is quit common in collecting. Shocked
I live alone in my 3 bedroom house, and my vitrines are in my livingroom(5), one big one in a smaller bedroom, and even 2 smaller ones in my toilt, haha.
and i have the plans to make a zoo-diorama too.... Laughing What a Face Rolling Eyes

Anyway, everybody on his or her own best possible way, isn't it?

The pictures Danny showed us here are top of the bill ,and i am sure, that Danny's zoo will in the same category!
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:53 am

@WILLYBACOMAN wrote:
Some interesting discussions going on here. arrow

Well, M. is right by saying now, that a diorama is a 3-D miniature version of something in real life, or at least like something that could be real life. Idea

But there is absolutely nothing wrong with making pics outside, specially if you don't have the room at home.
That can make your pictures look more realistic indeed, but you have to search hard for the right settings, or you have to have really good photographic skills, to make it look like that. :)

I know about having not enough room, as this is quit common in collecting. Shocked
I live alone in my 3 bedroom house, and my vitrines are in my livingroom(5), one big one in a smaller bedroom, and even 2 smaller ones in my toilt, haha.
and i have the plans to make a zoo-diorama too.... Laughing What a Face Rolling Eyes

Anyway, everybody on his or her own best possible way, isn't it?

The pictures Danny showed us here are top of the bill ,and i am sure, that Danny's zoo will in the same category!

I must say! There seems to be ground for longer, deeper and more interesting conversations in this forum than in LG for some reason? Rolling Eyes I just joined LG and still feel reluctant to choose a forum over another, they are both fun. But this thread has some very long posts of a kind I did not see back there! It's very stimulating to exchange opinions with fellow collectors. cheers

And you, Willy!! You have so much space, I want some of that space for myself! Twisted Evil

But anyway, I am going on a photographing outing with a friend this Friday, so hopefully I will have more of my own "outdoor dioramas" to share with you on the weekend. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:21 am

Hello Marina,
It is not a problem, i for one did not take this the wrong way, but i felt i needed to explain to you the differences, since they were really very hard things to compare to eachother, but i think i understand where you were coming from.
Must people choose to post pics of the animals in outdoor settings, and you have some very good pics like the ones that my friend from England took, excellent light reflection as you well mention.

And i agree with you 100% about the dioramas for the most part aim at coming as close to nature and all other things of life as it can be made possible, i made mention of a diorama allways being artificial, because that is the nature of it, even dioramas in zoos inside buildings where they keep animals are artificial man made, nature did not make create them, it is a replica, some very good, others not so.

But at the end a diorama does not have to aim for realism i suppose, my whole vision with dioramas is to come as close to life as possible, and i believe i have been making a very good effort in all areas. But let's say that our friend Willy wants to make a diorama of a Victorian zoo with britain figures, that is a diorama as well of britain figures, or our host Torben, who happens to have one of the finest collections of Schleich anywhere, wants to do a diorama exclusive of Schleich figures, that is a different aim as well, but still a diorama.

The ideal thing would be to be able to recreate a diorama in Nature itself, about two years ago when i fully develop a new vision of my zoo project, i thought about doing the diorama outdoors, taking full advantage of Nature, and given our good Miami Weather, it would have been an easier task than living in England i suppose, but there were too many factors, the Weather even here is terrible, and most things would wear with time, instead of investing thousands of dollars in landscape art for my diorama, i could have just planted bonsais, (the real ones) but that also was a problem, the maintnance along would have been a nightmare, never mind losing trees to bacteria and many different things.
And there is allways the chance of a disaster, a hurricane, even with a roof like i thought of it, i would have been impossible, so indoors it is, the downsize reduced space.

By the way welcome to this forum, from Miami as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:55 am

For me a zoo in the 1:32 could be realistic, using several brands in that section.
But the minimum room i would need for that, would be at least 4x4 meters... Shocked
It would be a mix of the Victorian zoo-type, and from later years i guess. Rolling Eyes

I would need much more of the Hausser Elastolin "Hagenbeck" type zoo-enclosures, and much more zoo-railings. Shocked
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Another thing that crossed my mind, is opening up a little museum for animal-models. Idea
But for that i need much more than i have right now, and specially rare ones, like Richard Lewis and his friend have.
So for now, it is just an idea... Sad

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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:41 am

Willy
As you well know besides working on the zoo diorama, and my new passion for realistic items, i once was a huge collector of animal toy figures and zoo enclosures, and since i lived in Germany for some time i had a little fun, i sold many many ages ago a (not that long around 4 years give or take) a few Elastolin/Hausser enclosures, there was one set of Cages in particular, wow i remember now, it seemed right out of an old, it was so realistic, i guess the age, and the poor condition of the bricks and wood added to its realism, but it was great.

They did sell for a real nice check, not bad for this old and rare German items, i must of been German in a past life, i have so many memories of this great country and keep so many memorabilia as well, i have a lot of old posters of zoos, some very rare postcards of Berlin Zoo prior to WW2 and almost all the guidebooks, that were done post war.
And still have the second largest Schleich collection that i'm aware off second to Torben, you had a pretty good collection yourself, got about 4000 euros for it right? that is pretty nice, i would sell all of mine in a heartbeat for that figure, that sounds like a nice paycheck.
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:03 am

My threads getting really long here! Laughing
I will start another thread for my zoo plans.
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:47 pm

I do have only one of those zoo-enclosures from Hausser untill now...
It is very hard to find them, and they go up high in price indeed.
And there are so many, i didn't even show all of them here.
But i have the 1972 trade-catalogue here on my pc too.

I do have memories from there too of course, as i lived from 1971-1976 in Germany too, and i worked there for several short periods on a later age.
From this time, my love for the Hausser stuff is coming. elephant pig cat
I always thought, they looked so much better then the Britains figurines from the same period.
Anyway, i will try to get everything from this brand, on which i can lay my hands on, as long as it has any connection with the animals.

I know you still have a very large Schleich-collection. Shocked
Even my collection before could only stand in the shade of yours, Torbens and Amy's... Laughing
I got 3000 euro's for them by the way, and i needed the money badly as you know, or i would never have parted from this collection before. Sad
But ok, i am on the way back, i have around 300 items right now, and the next 10 are coming in next week i guess. :)
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PostSubject: Some more pics of the Hausser elastolin zoo-enclosures   Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:51 pm

See for yourself...
This is the rest of the zoo-enclosures by this brnad.
And they have loads of farm-houses and barns too! affraid

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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:28 pm

That brand has loads of great things, I really like the rocky enclosures, they look really good. Can you still buy them new?
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:38 pm

Oh yes, they have for sure!
Those rocky enclosures are in the style of the Hamburg "Hagenbeck" Zoo from that time.
And they were quit modern and revolutinary for their time, as they showed animals without bars between the animals and the public.

No, they are not made anymore, as nothing from Hausser Elastolin.
Only bigger hollowcast plastic copies from the animals by Preiser Elastolin.

I want all of those enclosures too, but i found only one untill now.
And i had the "raubtierhaus 1"(predatorhouse) in the past.
They are very hard to find, and quit expensive then.
Here is the only enclosure that i have.

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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:13 pm

Ah, most nice things have gone out of production these days, shame.
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:44 am

@Berlinzoo954 wrote:
Hello Marina,
It is not a problem, i for one did not take this the wrong way, but i felt i needed to explain to you the differences, since they were really very hard things to compare to eachother, but i think i understand where you were coming from.
Must people choose to post pics of the animals in outdoor settings, and you have some very good pics like the ones that my friend from England took, excellent light reflection as you well mention.

And i agree with you 100% about the dioramas for the most part aim at coming as close to nature and all other things of life as it can be made possible, i made mention of a diorama allways being artificial, because that is the nature of it, even dioramas in zoos inside buildings where they keep animals are artificial man made, nature did not make create them, it is a replica, some very good, others not so.

But at the end a diorama does not have to aim for realism i suppose, my whole vision with dioramas is to come as close to life as possible, and i believe i have been making a very good effort in all areas. But let's say that our friend Willy wants to make a diorama of a Victorian zoo with britain figures, that is a diorama as well of britain figures, or our host Torben, who happens to have one of the finest collections of Schleich anywhere, wants to do a diorama exclusive of Schleich figures, that is a different aim as well, but still a diorama.

The ideal thing would be to be able to recreate a diorama in Nature itself, about two years ago when i fully develop a new vision of my zoo project, i thought about doing the diorama outdoors, taking full advantage of Nature, and given our good Miami Weather, it would have been an easier task than living in England i suppose, but there were too many factors, the Weather even here is terrible, and most things would wear with time, instead of investing thousands of dollars in landscape art for my diorama, i could have just planted bonsais, (the real ones) but that also was a problem, the maintnance along would have been a nightmare, never mind losing trees to bacteria and many different things.
And there is allways the chance of a disaster, a hurricane, even with a roof like i thought of it, i would have been impossible, so indoors it is, the downsize reduced space.

By the way welcome to this forum, from Miami as well.

It's alright Danny, I just wanted to be sure not to offend. tongue Especially someone like you, who creates such fantastic diorama pieces.

The outdoor diorama would be a wonderful thing, but I understand your concerns about the weather. Sometimes humidity and salt in the air from living right by the water will mess up my drawings and books --and those are INSIDE the house. If outside, those elements could ruin some of your diorama supplies easily, and let's not even think about having to take it all part in the case of a hurricane! No

It is very nice to meet someone else from Miami. I have never met any other fan of animal replicas in my area. Are you on Facebook? Feel free to look me up (Marina Neira) I would love to keep in touch with you there. Hope this isn't too forward, I'm just thrilled to have met another animal replica aficionado in my city! Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Fri Apr 16, 2010 2:10 am

Nice blogspot you have Marina!
And nice Safari animals too!

I was in Miami long ago, back in 1988 or so, just for a short 10 day hollyday.
I stayed in the Marriott hotel then.
Nice city, nice weather and much other nice things... Wink
I visited the Miami Zoo and Miami Sea Aqaurium in those days of course.

And now i have to see how i can manage to put the link to my website here too, as you seems to manage it... Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:51 pm

"The outdoor diorama would be a wonderful thing, but I understand your concerns about the weather. Sometimes humidity and salt in the air from living right by the water will mess up my drawings and books --and those are INSIDE the house. If outside, those elements could ruin some of your diorama supplies easily, and let's not even think about having to take it all part in the case of a hurricane!"


I wouldn't even want to think about a hurricane, not for me, i could never do anything outdoors, i have to be keep to my available space indoors, oh well.




"It is very nice to meet someone else from Miami. I have never met any other fan of animal replicas in my area. Are you on Facebook? Feel free to look me up (Marina Neira) I would love to keep in touch with you there. Hope this isn't too forward, I'm just thrilled to have met another animal replica aficionado in my city!"


It is very nice to meet another member of this forum that actually lives in my city as well, we do have Phil too, he lives in Fort Lauderdale, but for now he stays in California. I have developed a very nice relationship with him, and i'm very glad that i have since it is very difficult to find other individuals with the same interest as myself, and Phil is a standup guy, and now you have joined the forum, and i looked at your art, and it's beautifull, excellent drawings and photos.

I do not have a facebook, not even sure how does the book operates, and i'm not 100 years old What a Face, just never got into the whole thing, i do visit a lot of forums of similar interests and post there, there is zoochat for zoo enthusiasts, i love zoos, i visit a few of the diorama making forums, (too bad they are not into animal figures) but i still get tips and inspirations from people that love miniature scenes.
And this forum here i plan on making a permanent home, used to post in the LG, but there is too many moderators and rules and things that make no sense at all.
But hopefully you stay here in the forum with us and share all of your ideas and thoughts, it is really nice to meet another member in Miami.
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:48 am

@Berlinzoo954 wrote:
It is very nice to meet another member of this forum that actually lives in my city as well, we do have Phil too, he lives in Fort Lauderdale, but for now he stays in California. I have developed a very nice relationship with him, and i'm very glad that i have since it is very difficult to find other individuals with the same interest as myself, and Phil is a standup guy, and now you have joined the forum, and i looked at your art, and it's beautifull, excellent drawings and photos.

Thank you for the kind words about my work, and especially about my photos, I consider myself very much an amateur when it comes to these, but hope to get better with time.

I wonder if once Phil comes back we could all meet once in a while. :) Since it's uncommon to meet people with these interests in one's area.

@Berlinzoo954 wrote:
And this forum here i plan on making a permanent home, used to post in the LG, but there is too many moderators and rules and things that make no sense at all.
But hopefully you stay here in the forum with us and share all of your ideas and thoughts, it is really nice to meet another member in Miami.

That reminds me. I am aware that something bad happened in the LG forum and at least one member (Willy?) left because of it, but that was after I arrived. Did someone insult someone else or something? I'm sure you want to leave whatever happened behind, but I am curious because it seems like a friendly place at least on the surface, and especially now that you mention many moderators and rules, I did not think there were that many. But then again I just joined. Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Sat Apr 17, 2010 4:22 am

I hope to meet you in person one day, and as my health improves I will be back for a visit as soon as I am able. If you just joined you may not know my situation, but without going off topic too much I just had my second multi organ transplant. The first was over 12 years ago, and lasted 10 perfect years but finally failed 2 years ago, and I was relisted. My surgery was March 22 and I was home in 7 days, and doing really well so far.

But back to animals, I don't collect for complete series, I make the dioramas, that is my passion. But because I don't get whole series I love to meet others who have different interests because I then get to see the other figures that are available, where otherwise I would not have a clue as to what figures are even available. Sometimes I even run into a figure that someone has that is in the correct scale and then I try to track it down for the current or a future diorama. Right now I'm into plants (thanks to Danny) more then animal figures. Don't get me wrong, I love animals, in fact that is how I make my living, collecting and selling wild species of animals to zoos, aquariums and private sales, but the quality of Danny's model maker, and the new laser cut plant kits from Japan, are so accurate that you can tell what type of tree or plant it is supposed to be, rather then the old model railroad lichen or colored foam plants.

Well, I hope to meet you when I make my first trip home, I'm guessing the end of summer, but if things go well maybe earlier, the best weather for scuba diving in FL is June, but I don't think I can travel that soon. Danny and I have developed a great friendship, and he is very knowledgable on custom figures and the Japanese egg toys, which happen to be some of the best made commercial figures around. Hope to see lots more of your collection her and on the other site, you mentioned the problem that caused people to leave that site, it had to do with the posting rules, not members who are very nice and helpful as a group. I still post on both sites, but I like this one better.
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Sat Apr 17, 2010 6:30 am

"I wonder if once Phil comes back we could all meet once in a while. Since it's uncommon to meet people with these interests in one's area."

That sounds really good, Phil and i had already talked about something like this, and is really great to know that you share our passion for animal figures, and hopefully you get into the diorama passion as well, maybe take some pics, i have some pretty interesting models, and if you like miniatures, i have one of the best 1:12 scale collection of exotic architectural modesl, from Asian cultures, African cultures and Egyptian cultures as well, some pieces that i have been lucky enough to get thru contacts in Asia are over 50 years old.
Just like Phil has really gotten involved in the collection of scale model plants and trees, i'm very involved collecting furniture/lamps/benches/statues etc in 1:12 scale for my zoo, and it sort of started becoming a hobby, because the items were so incredibly detail you could not tell the difference from real life. So i'm all over the place now, animal figures, scale plants and miniature architecture/furniture

""That reminds me. I am aware that something bad happened in the LG forum and at least one member (Willy?) left because of it, but that was after I arrived. Did someone insult someone else or something? I'm sure you want to leave whatever happened behind, but I am curious because it seems like a friendly place at least on the surface, and especially now that you mention many moderators and rules, I did not think there were that many. But then again I just joined.""

Well Phil went into that better than i could off explain it, not sure what was there even to explain, i just feel this forum is a little more focused on what i really enjoy exchanging ideas about dioramas and animal figures etc.
Plus it is an avenue to find other individuals that share similar passions, as yourself.
At times in the other forum, the minute you made mention of selling an animal or anything for that matter, unless the sale was taking place in the forum, it got taken down, yet they had links to many sites that sold animals and other toys, did not make sense to me, so i'm here full time now, i'm sure Torben has no problems with any of this.

We are all one happy family here. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Sat Apr 17, 2010 6:47 am

You know Phil,


We talk about so much, so much to write about, so many emails, and everytime you mention your collection bussines, i thought you meant actual collections, calling joe smith at 8 am and 7 pm and asking when he was going to pay his bills.

I knew you had some very good connections in the exotic animal trade, since you had mention this at times, but i missed the whole part about that being the collection bussines, wow, you just keep on getting interesting, did i mention to you that i'm a huge fan of zoos, i have visited, well i lost count, many many zoos and would visit every zoo in the world if i could, something about the layout, the structures, the exhibits, that just does it for me, weird i know, but there is whole website outhere of crazy people like me, it is called zoochat not sure if you have ever visited, but they have many members there with exotic collections, and private animal farms, zookeepers, even zoo designers, and even one of the premier zoo book's writer in the country, they are all about animal collections and finding species and things like that, is this what you do?

I have never had any exotic, well mammals that is, i had a few bird species, but never the ones i really wanted, i have currently some parakeets, canarys, and a lovebird. I have a very nice pond that took me a very long time to build with help, and until recently i had a pretty decent amount of Koi, the problem is i also have a man made lake in the back of the house, and a cursed Heron confused my pond with a chinese buffet and the greety bastard took most of the fish, i bought a net to cover the pond and its two survivors, but i guess the raids of the evil Heron took a toll on one of the kois and it collapsed the poor fellow.
Now i have only one koi and i have been thinking about realising him to the lake, but i'm worry that he will only become other fishes lunch.

In the other hand, i thought about buying a Phyton and realising the animal into the pond, something about facing my fears, but once the guy at the local pet store found out about my plans, he thought i was crazy, i allways wondered what would it be like to have a giant python or Anaconda, no chance now, they are both banned by state law.
Anyways this thread is officially all over the place.
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Sat Apr 17, 2010 6:48 am

I'm starting to sound like Willy, JK Willy, i could never be as crazy as you.
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Sat Apr 17, 2010 8:25 am

Danny, this will be quick, but I will send you emails, but yes, I collect animals for public and private collections. I have scaled way back with my health, I can no longer go for months to the jungles of the world, but I collect live animals (now it is almost exclusively salt water tropical fish from Florida, Hawaii and sometimes other Caribbean areas) and some reptiles. In the past I have travelled all over the world for fish, both salt and fresh, and reptiles. I don't do birds, by personal choice, and mammals I get from breeders, game ranches in Texas, or zoos, but as I mentioned I don't need to do that anymore and it will be a huge load off to not have to deal with them.

Remind me and I'll send you some emails about it.
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PostSubject: Re: Outdoors...   Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:51 am

Haha, this tread is really going off topic, but what does it matter, as long as it is in our field of interest.
And i am pretty sure, Torben doesn't mind...

And yes Danny, i can be very crazy, much more then you can even imagine, haha.

It was my dream too, to make a zoo in real life, or at least having a very big famr with all of the possibilities too, to keep animals there from all kinds of species.
But i stepped out of this dream, and i am sticking to make a miniature one one day, like you /danny, only in another scale, and on another level...

Im am in the tropical fish-business for more then 34 years now too, and that on a daily basis, so Phil and me have another field of common interest too.

What happened on LG is in the past, as we are all gathered here now, and like Danny said, this forum is more for people like us.
I could tell everything around here, but i feel that that would be just a matter of loosing energy on something that is not worth it anymore...

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