Found at an antique store, identification?

I went thrifting/antiquing yesterday with no luck, except for seeing these guys and being curious if anyone could tell me what they are. I'm so sorry for the photo quality. They were behind locked glass and more expensive than it was worth asking someone to get them out for me just for photos, but they looked interesting. On the top is that really cool camel of course, but in the box are very geometric stylized animals. All I could recognize were a goat with a bell around its neck and a tiger. I could not find anything that seemed to match these on TAW. No visible stamps on the camel.

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And then I saw this one, and thought of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], so I thought I'd share it, too! :) No stamps on this one either.

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Thanks!

The ones in the box are Celluloid animal toys, probably from USA or Japan. They are often expensive. I can't tell the company. At what price are they sold?

Thanks! What makes them different and more expensive? These were $35 for the box, so maybe a normal price after all.

As Kiki said, vintage stuff, that i have mostly seen from Japan

Wonderful, wonderful finds!
And what a beautiful, beautiful celluloid collie- I'm so glad you remembered my love for this breed and showed him here, what a proud and gentle face this model has! I've actually never seen it before, but he/she is just wonderful, especially with the lovely flowing fur- very similar to the real Bonnie!
I really hope someone may be able to tell us more about them!

Jill wrote:

Thanks! What makes them different and more expensive? These were $35 for the box, so maybe a normal price after all.

35$ is a good price for the box. These toys were produced between WWI end's and 1960's I think. The Celluloïd is the first "plastic" ever. It is a highly flammable material so the production collapsed when more modern plastic were discovered. I can't tell for the world, but I know that French manufacturers like PetitColin produced dollsand also some animal models, US companies did the same and I know that some sought after were produced in "occupied Japan".
So they are old and highly flammable, it explains why somemodels aren't cheap.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Thank you for the information! That's very interesting, and almost makes me want to go back and get a better look at them . . . but they are too large for my current collecting goals, so maybe this time, I'll let them pass. But I appreciate you explaining, there is so much to learn.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], I thought the same thing about the coat and face (though that eye painting does make him look a little deranged, haha). If it was smaller I might have brought it home. :)

Nice animals, especially the dromedary.

Some animals of this box, are of celluloid, but the dog, ...I think that the material of this collie is not

celluloid. It is made with two parts, ensambled. It is plastic made in China.

How can you tell celluloid from anything else visually?

This material is a mixture of nitrate, cellulose, and other components.

The hot mixture is poured into molds and when it cools, it hardens.

The figure does not bend, nor does it allow twisting.

if you put pressure on it, it breaks, because it is not elastic

This dog is elastic, therefore it is not celluloid.

landrover wrote:

This material is a mixture of nitrate, cellulose, and other components.

The hot mixture is poured into molds and when it cools, it hardens.

The figure does not bend, nor does it allow twisting.

if you put pressure on it, it breaks, because it is not elastic

This dog is elastic, therefore it is not celluloid.

I was sure you would have something to tell about this I think you have some celluloid animals in your collection. maybe you could open a new topic about this kind of toys ?

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Thank you for the information! That's very interesting, and almost makes me want to go back and get a better look at them . . . but they are too large for my current collecting goals, so maybe this time, I'll let them pass. But I appreciate you explaining, there is so much to learn.

Jill, if I can give you any advice for your collection, it's not to miss out on crushes. The guy who is telling you that made a lot of mistakes.
If you feel attracted by models that are not part of your goals, your goals are the wrong ones.
If these models are rare vintages, do not hesitate because this may be the last time you see them, especially at this price.
A collection is a living process that evolves over time, if tomorrow or in ten years these toys no longer suit you, you can always find another collector who will be happy to buy them back from you.

landrover wrote:

This material is a mixture of nitrate, cellulose, and other components.

The hot mixture is poured into molds and when it cools, it hardens.

The figure does not bend, nor does it allow twisting.

if you put pressure on it, it breaks, because it is not elastic

This dog is elastic, therefore it is not celluloid.

Thank you so much for explaining!

Kikimalou wrote:

Jill, if I can give you any advice for your collection, it's not to miss out on crushes. The guy who is telling you that made a lot of mistakes.
If you feel attracted by models that are not part of your goals, your goals are the wrong ones.
If these models are rare vintages, do not hesitate because this may be the last time you see them, especially at this price.
A collection is a living process that evolves over time, if tomorrow or in ten years these toys no longer suit you, you can always find another collector who will be happy to buy them back from you.

And thank you for experienced advice! It is nice just to know something as simple as whether something is priced well or not, that is a learning curve for which I have little reference yet.

Well, I couldn't help it! After work today I went back to see if I could at least see what else was in the box. 14 animals total, including four horses, which really won me over! And then they told me it was on sale, less than $30 . . . . so, I brought them home. Very different from anything else I have, but really beautiful, and so much more delicate than I expected. All of them are made in Japan. Thank you all for explaining what they were for me! Now I just need to find where they are going to live, because I hate to just box them up!

Jill wrote:

Well, I couldn't help it! After work today I went back to see if I could at least see what else was in the box. 14 animals total, including four horses, which really won me over! And then they told me it was on sale, less than $30 . . . . so, I brought them home. Very different from anything else I have, but really beautiful, and so much more delicate than I expected. All of them are made in Japan. Thank you all for explaining what they were for me! Now I just need to find where they are going to live, because I hate to just box them up!

WOW.....Congratulations.

Now those animals have a better home...

Jill wrote:

Well, I couldn't help it! After work today I went back to see if I could at least see what else was in the box. 14 animals total, including four horses, which really won me over! And then they told me it was on sale, less than $30 . . . . so, I brought them home. Very different from anything else I have, but really beautiful, and so much more delicate than I expected. All of them are made in Japan. Thank you all for explaining what they were for me! Now I just need to find where they are going to live, because I hate to just box them up!

Hurray, I'm so glad you've given them a new home!

well done on getting them !
kikimalou said it perfectly - 'If you feel attracted by models that are not part of your goals, your goals are the wrong ones.'

the angular goat looks rather interesting ! do you have photos of all of these treasures ?

Thank you! Yeah, I have carried those words with me and repeated them to myself a few times since then. Very good advice!

Here's a group picture!
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And here's the goat. :)
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These two are my favorites:
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wow they are amazing !
the goat is cute and I love the expressions of the 2 cows at the back. They look angular as well. The horse ? with the blanket is really lovely. I like the colours used.
I see there is also another goat, more realistic. What an interesting lot indeed !
I wonder if they all started their life together and are firm friends and have stayed together for decades ?

The two gray cows, the two dark pink horses, and the goat all seem to belong together, they are all very angular/geometric.

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I wonder if they all started their life together and are firm friends and have stayed together for decades ?

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It seems I missed this topic. I am not knowledgeable about these models but their charm is unbeatable. such a crazy camel.

Here are the individual photos for the unknown maker page of TAW, for whenever, if desired! I had two of some, and for the sake of my own collection pictures I included both in the shot, so if I need to retake them with just one I can.

They are all marked Japan or Made in Japan. Some of them have a little "clover" or what looks like crosshairs symbols, too. I don't know if any of that is important to include.

Tiger - Ando Togoro
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Lion - Ando Togoro
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Bear - Ando Togoro
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Hippo - Ando Togoro
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Camel - Ando Togoro
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Horse with blanket - Ando Togoro
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Horse - Ango Togoro
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Goat - Ando Togoro
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Cow - Ando Togoro
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Horse - Sekiguchi Japan
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Goat with bell - Sekiguchi Japan
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Cow - Sekiguchi Japan
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Hi Jill

Just noticed this comment:

"They are all marked Japan or Made in Japan. Some of them have a little "clover" or what looks like crosshairs symbols, too. I don't know if any of that is important to include."

Please take pictures of any symbol. I have a couple of books which include symbols from Japanese companies that produced toy cars from tinplate and they also made accessories from celluloid. May help to ID the manufacturer and worth a try.

If your clover leaf has five sides and a 'Y' in the centre then they could be made by Yonezawa.

Thanks, Chris! That would be amazing. Here's the two my models have:

The three leaf clover
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And the "crosshairs" circle with a cross in it
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Ando Togoro is a plus symbol inside of a circle
Sekiguchi Japan is a 3 leaf clover

Please check yourself in this Celluloid Dolls page.

Let me know if you think they match and obviously it is wonderful also to have Chris opinion on it.