Show us your goats: wild and domesticated (genus Capra)

Gosh !!! This is for experts
The more I look in Wikipedia, the more confused I get
Even if I had Latin for a year in school, all those words mean nothing to me

Looking through the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], most people think of sheep as tame sheep, - and some consider the Markhor a sheep, even if it is a goat......

Arrrh, - is it so important ?

My goats :)

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Very nice goats Noemi!!!

SUSANNE wrote:

Gosh !!! This is for experts
The more I look in Wikipedia, the more confused I get
Even if I had Latin for a year in school, all those words mean nothing to me

Looking through the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], most people think of sheep as tame sheep, - and some consider the Markhor a sheep, even if it is a goat......

Arrrh, - is it so important ?

Why not:), in last time we had more SUYs without special species and i think a SUY with all the other Caprinae is so very special that there is not a high chance for that. And so many figurines dont exists:)

widukind wrote:

SUSANNE wrote:

Gosh !!! This is for experts
The more I look in Wikipedia, the more confused I get
Even if I had Latin for a year in school, all those words mean nothing to me

Looking through the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], most people think of sheep as tame sheep, - and some consider the Markhor a sheep, even if it is a goat......

Arrrh, - is it so important ?

Why not:), in last time we had more SUYs without special species and i think a SUY with all the other Caprinae is so very special that there is not a high chance for that. And so many figurines dont exists:)

OK, so all Caprinae here, except the domesticated sheep or all animals from the Ovis genus? And wouldn't it be too much?
I would vote for the option all Caprinae except the Ovis, but other option is also OK. I still would be happy to know more opinions.

Either way we can even add the musk oxen and takins and serows and Barbary sheep as well.

Ana wrote:

widukind wrote:

SUSANNE wrote:

Gosh !!! This is for experts
The more I look in Wikipedia, the more confused I get
Even if I had Latin for a year in school, all those words mean nothing to me

Looking through the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], most people think of sheep as tame sheep, - and some consider the Markhor a sheep, even if it is a goat......

Arrrh, - is it so important ?

Why not:), in last time we had more SUYs without special species and i think a SUY with all the other Caprinae is so very special that there is not a high chance for that. And so many figurines dont exists:)

OK, so all Caprinae here, except the domesticated sheep or all animals from the Ovis genus? And wouldn't it be too much?
I would vote for the option all Caprinae except the Ovis, but other option is also OK.   I still would be happy to know more opinions.

Either way we can even add the musk oxen and takins and serows and Barbary sheep as well.  

You know i like ke SUYs with any wild animal species so i would like to see also musk oxes.:)
And all figurines from the family of wild sheeps could like in this SUY in the SUY sheeps:)

My opinion is that we should make a little aesthetic in this topic and keep it only for Capra genus, both wild and domesticated. So, we have a topic similar to Show us your sheep.
Then, I open in the middle of October, another special SUY dedicated to other wild caprids (not goats or sheep).
These concepts are very confuse and I think, although not dramatic when someone puts anything wrong, that we should preserve some rigor to turn these threads educative to those who try to learn something with them. How can we make a joke about a seller putting a pangolin for sale as a lizard when we are collectors and mix everything?
I also have troubles with some SUYs of farm animals but we always have the chance of learning with each others. We should avoid in future to mix wild and domesticated. Wild animals are grouped according with morphology and genetic while farm animals are grouped according with other conveniences.
So let's see, caprines and ovines are obvious in farm life, first are goats, latter are sheep.
In Science, both goats and sheep are caprines.. and those belong to a larger group of caprids.
Caprids are from family Caprinae, it goes from the musk ox, sheep, goats, chamois, etc.
This big group is divided in 3 tribes:
1. Ovibovini - musk ox and takin;
2. Caprini: All goats from Genus Capra, all sheep from genus Ovis more some members from other genera like barbary sheep, tahrs, bharal and blue sheep; all those from this group are what is correctly called caprines;
3. Naemorhedini: serows, gorals, mountain goat and chamois.

If we remove true goats and true sheep from these groups, the remaining are not many but enough to make an extra SUY.
Mistakes will always happen once a blue sheep and a barbary sheep are not sheep and a mountain goat is not a goat.

Concluding, my suggestion to this topic are domesticated goats more the species from Capra genus that Ana listed on first topic. I can edit whatever is needed if my suggestion is accepted and as the topic is not too long yet, I can ask who already contributed to replace pictures that mix Capra with non Capra!

Roger: this is brilliant idea!!!!

I will edit my first post then

WONDERFUL

...a question, - what is a proghorn ?

Pronghorn is in it's own family and is more closely related to giraffes and okapis (they belong to Giraffoidea together) then to antelopes and goats.

But the family Antilocapridae had more members in the past and I think perhaps some of the prehistoric animals were already sculpted as miniatures too. So it would have to be a different SUY for them one day perhaps?

Roger wrote:

Concluding, my suggestion to this topic are domesticated goats more the species from Capra genus that Ana listed on first topic. I can edit whatever is needed if my suggestion is accepted and as the topic is not too long yet, I can ask who already contributed to replace pictures that mix Capra with non Capra!

Roger, I'm not sure if understand: include wild Capra or not?

Ana wrote:

Roger wrote:

Concluding, my suggestion to this topic are domesticated goats more the species from Capra genus that Ana listed on first topic. I can edit whatever is needed if my suggestion is accepted and as the topic is not too long yet, I can ask who already contributed to replace pictures that mix Capra with non Capra!

Roger, I'm not sure if understand: include wild Capra or not?

Ana, I am suggesting both wild and domesticated Capra in this topic.It is to fit to the topic of Show us your sheep although I know it is mostly domesticated there.
However, my original preference would ever not to mix wild and domesticated but I think it is too late to change it.
So, we have a topic for Ovis genus, this one to Capra genus that are the most popular Caprids genera and I open a 3rd one to remaining genera. What do you think? :)

Roger wrote:

Ana wrote:

Roger wrote:

Concluding, my suggestion to this topic are domesticated goats more the species from Capra genus that Ana listed on first topic. I can edit whatever is needed if my suggestion is accepted and as the topic is not too long yet, I can ask who already contributed to replace pictures that mix Capra with non Capra!

Roger, I'm not sure if understand: include wild Capra or not?

Ana, I am suggesting both wild and domesticated Capra in this topic.It is to fit to the topic of Show us your sheep although I know it is mostly domesticated there.
However, my original preference would ever not to mix wild and domesticated but I think it is too late to change it.
So, we have a topic for Ovis genus, this one to Capra genus that are the most popular Caprids genera and I open a 3rd one to remaining genera. What do you think? :)

Yes, I like this idea! first post and title edited already

I think now it looks great. Just pmed Simone telling that the subject changed if she wants she can change her 2nd picture and almost everything is perfect.

This idea is good Roger :)

Roger wrote:

I think now it looks great. Just pmed Simone telling that the subject changed if she wants she can change her 2nd picture and almost everything is perfect.

Done.

Bloodrayne wrote:

Roger wrote:

I think now it looks great. Just pmed Simone telling that the subject changed if she wants she can change her 2nd picture and almost everything is perfect.

Done.  

My only true goats: CollectA Tadjik markhor, Schleich Alpine ibex and boer goats family.
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Great goats, Roger

Yes, wonderful goats! I think the ibex from Schleich is one of their nicest models!

SUSANNE wrote:

Great goats, Roger

My friends this is my display Goats in my collection.
Sorry there are also a few sheep I intentionnelement not hidden, and my wish list; if the future squeezed favorable!  
If someone wants to see a figure in particular, I make an effort to shoot raprochée .....  
I am waiting for a Dall sheep worthy ....
disappointed that Safari Ltd did not realize 2015 .----- to see reminders of other brands!

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Great displays as usual Jean-Luc!
Thanks also to those who commented my little contribution to this topic.

I agree with Roger!

I found the parents to my little flock of Bullyland kids
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