Old meets young - Babirusa by Elastolin meets friend by CollectA

That is very very interesting :)

OH, Yvette! You now own the Elastolin babirusa? Fantastic! It is the oldest figure of a babirusa we know, I guess. I love it so much and I am so happy you have it. It is also a good idea to show it with the modern CollectA that I love too and I have in my collection. There is also the Starlux and I think not many babirusas were made meanwhile. I think the only circunstance we have seen the Elastolin babirusa was from Sue and Lesley collection.
I think soon, we have to start entering your composition figures on TAI, especially these you are sure about their correct identification. Your collection is turning legendary!

Two wonderful, beautyful models together

Here we see how great those old brands were
The old Barbirusa is beautyfully sculptured, - and such a wonderful choice of species!

Good we have CollectA now, - and Southern comming up fast from the rear. !!!!

I enjoy your comparison topics very much. Thankyou, dear friend

Thanks Roger and Susanne! The Elastolin babirusa lives since many years in my collection.
You could be right Roger. I also don´t know an older one. By the way, I really miss the interesting contributions about compostions animals from Sue and Lesley.
It would be very nice, if old composition figures would start at TAI!

Phantastic animal.

Other babirusas appear ferocious, but this one looks loving.

75senta75 wrote:

Thanks Roger and Susanne! The Elastolin babirusa lives since many years in my collection.
You could be right Roger. I also don´t know an older one. By the way, I really miss the interesting contributions about compostions animals from Sue and Lesley.
It would be very nice, if old composition figures would start at TAI!

I also miss a lot Sue and Lesley contributions on forum. I know it is not always easy for them to participate on forum.
I really, but really would love to give a big boost to composition models on TAI. I think we have achieved a good level of completion with known modern brands and now it is time to make something really useful with the best known vintage companies that worked with composition models.
I'd love to start with the IV generation from Lineol, we have a good basis with more than 50 pictures but, to make anything plausible, I need, beside the pictures, also a good basis of knowledge and I don't have it. Two simple examples that I ignore. When we talk about Lineol generations, do the range is different from generation to generation or some figures crossed more than one generation? Another doubt is that I find on TAI, some figures, with product numbers from what we can see on 1958 catalogue posted on forum. Why it happens? Have numbering changed through the years, is it idfferent from Germany catalogues to other countries catalogues or what am I missing?
It is off topic, I know, we are under an Elastolin/CollectA topic and Lineol never released a babirusa.

Starlux have a babirussa too :)

Roger wrote:

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I really, but really would love to give a big boost to composition models on TAI. I think we have achieved a good level of completion with known modern brands and now it is time to make something really useful with the best known vintage companies that worked with composition models. ....

You are right, - but it is difficult to find information.

I can help a bit with Elastolin, because I have Ulrich Raue's collector's catalogue, but still, there are so many copies, and we want to get it right

Roger and Susanne, you're right. The classification is really not easy. Also the exact classification within a generation by Lineol. There are also a lot of discussions between the experts in the magazines.
It is, however, fantastic and of great value that Susanne has bought Mr.Raue's collector's catalogue.
I don´t own this great catalogue since now, because he is very expensise although he is worth it without doubt. Mr.Raue really belongs to the greatest experts in Germany in this field. I could contact him and also another German expert and ask for advice. Maybe they give us some useful hints for the TAI project. What do you both mean? Perhaps Sue and Lesley have some older catalogues by composition brands.

75senta75 wrote:

Roger and Susanne, you're right. The classification is really not easy. Also the exact classification within a generation by Lineol. There are also a lot of discussions between the experts in the magazines.
It is, however, fantastic and of great value that Susanne has bought Mr.Raue's collector's catalogue.
I don´t own this great catalogue since now, because he is very expensise although he is worth it without doubt. Mr.Raue really belongs to the greatest experts in Germany in this field. I could contact him and also another German expert and ask for advice. Maybe they give us some useful hints for the TAI project. What do you both mean? Perhaps Sue and Lesley have some older catalogues by composition brands.

I think it could be a good idea but first there is still a lot of work to do. I believe the basis on TAI is still very poor and demotivating to these experts in this matter.
Maybe I can try to do something really plausible, also asking for more pictures but surely it needs to be done in parts. I'd love to start witht he best known series, the IV generation from Lineol but, splitting it in groups could work better. Something like Wildlife, Forest, Polar and Farm, for example. Maybe some more groups but not as many as figurenmuseun does. I just entered my stag howling and it may be a good way, to start trying to complete the Forest animals of IV generation, I know we all together have almost them all.
There's still the number problem, some already entered ahve different numers from those of 1958 catalogue. Should we use a different way to name these figures? F.i. Lineol IV generation Zebra instead of using their numbers?

I agree with you, the 4. generation of Lineol is also easier to identify.

Roger wrote:

There's still the number problem, some already entered ahve different numers from those of 1958 catalogue. Should we use a different way to name these figures? F.i. Lineol IV generation Zebra instead of using their numbers?

I think, it´s all right using the designation: "Lineol of 4. Generation".

Roger wrote:

75senta75 wrote:

Roger and Susanne, you're right. The classification is really not easy. Also the exact classification within a generation by Lineol. There are also a lot of discussions between the experts in the magazines.
It is, however, fantastic and of great value that Susanne has bought Mr.Raue's collector's catalogue.
I don´t own this great catalogue since now, because he is very expensise although he is worth it without doubt. Mr.Raue really belongs to the greatest experts in Germany in this field. I could contact him and also another German expert and ask for advice. Maybe they give us some useful hints for the TAI project. What do you both mean? Perhaps Sue and Lesley have some older catalogues by composition brands.

I think it could be a good idea but first there is still a lot of work to do. I believe the basis on TAI is still very poor and demotivating to these experts in this matter.
Maybe I can try to do something really plausible, also asking for more pictures but surely it needs to be done in parts. I'd love to start witht he best known series, the IV generation from Lineol but, splitting it in groups could work better. Something like Wildlife, Forest, Polar and Farm, for example. Maybe some more groups but not as many as figurenmuseun does. I just entered my stag howling and it may be a good way, to start trying to complete the Forest animals of IV generation, I know we all together have almost them all.
There's still the number problem, some already entered ahve different numers from those of 1958 catalogue. Should we use a different way to name these figures? F.i. Lineol IV generation Zebra instead of using their numbers?  

What are your questions? I will meet my local collector friends and the have a few catalogues and a lot of Lineol. Because they started with that brand.

Andreas wrote:

What are your questions? I will meet my local collector friends and the have a few catalogues and a lot of Lineol. Because they started with that brand.

Andreas, yes please ask your collectors friend if he can help us with a view catalogues.  

Andreas, das wäre mit Sicherheit eine große Hilfe. Es ist wirklich nicht immer einfach, die Figuren auf einen bestimmten Entstehungszeitraum von wenigen Jahren zuzuordnen.
Auf alle Fälle würde es sehr helfen, wenn Dein Freund einige Kataloge zur Verfügung stellen könnte.
Gerne würde ich ihm überzählige Kataloge, Handzettel oder auch einfache Verkaufsübersichten im Original abkaufen. Falls er uns unterstützen möchte und sich aber nicht von den originalen Unterlagen trennen möchte, würde ich ihm natürlich auch gute Kopien vom Drucker abkaufen. Hauptsache, die Tiere und die Beschreibungen sind gut lesbar. Meinst Du, das wäre möglich  ?

Very well, I see there are a lot of converging beams of energy, so I think it is time to do anything relevant on TAI concerning composition animal figures. We can even make reference to these documents if we find a way to access them. I'll then start with Lineol 4th generation and split them in small groups. Later I'll open a topic asking for pictures. After it, I will try to contact some experient members in this matter like Sue & Lesley, Christophe, maybe Willy, etc. I won't change their numbers for now, as soon as I find a viable source, I change what is needed.

That would be a very good concept Roger!

75senta75 wrote:

Andreas wrote:

What are your questions? I will meet my local collector friends and the have a few catalogues and a lot of Lineol. Because they started with that brand.

Andreas, yes please ask your collectors friend if he can help us with a view catalogues.  

Andreas, das wäre mit Sicherheit eine große Hilfe. Es ist wirklich nicht immer einfach, die Figuren auf einen bestimmten Entstehungszeitraum von wenigen Jahren zuzuordnen.
Auf alle Fälle würde es sehr helfen, wenn Dein Freund einige Kataloge zur Verfügung stellen könnte.
Gerne würde ich ihm überzählige Kataloge, Handzettel oder auch einfache Verkaufsübersichten im Original abkaufen. Falls er uns unterstützen möchte und sich aber nicht von den originalen Unterlagen trennen möchte, würde ich ihm natürlich auch gute Kopien vom Drucker abkaufen. Hauptsache, die Tiere und die Beschreibungen sind gut lesbar. Meinst Du, das wäre möglich  ?

I will ask.