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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:36 pm

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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:02 pm

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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:05 pm

Ah yes, my mistake...

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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:08 pm

Buy it now for 30 Euro.
WOW.
Why have i not seen this.
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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:13 pm

That's one happy buyer Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:49 pm

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Buy it now for 30 Euro.
WOW.
Why have i not seen this.

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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:05 am

lol 30 euros... it´s very few for that figurine!

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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:02 am

Well if I would have bought the cheaper version I would have never know that I just bought something so rare and special. I didnt buy it but that goes to show that we never know it all. I am just starting to collect these fun little figures and I learn somthing new daily almost. I thank all of you for making this a fun and very informative website.
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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:43 am

Well, congratulations to the buyer, for an incredible transaction... cheers They say that "timing is everything in life..." :)
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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Mon May 02, 2011 12:55 pm

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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Thu May 19, 2011 4:56 am

OMG, when even this older beagle goes up in price like this, where it is all ending in the future?
Older Schleichs are soon more worth then gold or so... Shocked affraid

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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Thu May 19, 2011 7:17 am

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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Thu May 19, 2011 8:55 am

Yes but the seller said under this figurine is the stamp 1994. But only the figurine 16332 has the stamp 1994 under it. And he said that he don`t have time to make more photos, but still have two beagles more.

So i think over 200 Euro is still enough for it.
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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Thu May 19, 2011 9:05 am

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Yes but the seller said under this figurine is the stamp 1994. But only the figurine 16332 has the stamp 1994 under it. And he said that he don`t have time to make more photos, but still have two beagles more.

So i think over 200 Euro is still enough for it.

So THAT one was perhaps a repaint of the much newer 16332 Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Thu May 19, 2011 11:22 am

Since I wasn't going to bid on any of these, I did not make any attempt to verify their authenticity. I have no idea whether they are repainted fakes or not, but there are so many crooked sellers of models like these now on eBay.de that I wouldn't be surprised if they are all fakes.

There are sellers who are not only repainting beagles, but also the 14070 zookeepers to make it appear they are the blue and white variant.
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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Thu May 19, 2011 11:50 am

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......there are so many crooked sellers of models like these now on eBay.de that I wouldn't be surprised if they are all fakes.

There are sellers who are not only repainting beagles, but also the 14070 zookeepers to make it appear they are the blue and white variant.

Laughing Laughing Cheer up , Phil, I am sure it isn`t as bad as that Very Happy

But if it says 1994 on the buttom, something IS wrong ! Suspect

BTW, - is the blue-and-white farmer rare ?
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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Thu May 19, 2011 1:23 pm

Perhaps the dark beagle is only a fiction. Ore has someone seen him in old catalougs. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Thu May 19, 2011 9:14 pm

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......there are so many crooked sellers of models like these now on eBay.de that I wouldn't be surprised if they are all fakes.

There are sellers who are not only repainting beagles, but also the 14070 zookeepers to make it appear they are the blue and white variant.


But if it says 1994 on the buttom, something IS wrong ! Suspect


Why do you think something is wrong when 1994 is on the bottom? Gascher's said that 16302-1 was in stores 1994 und the 16302 was in the stores from 1994 - 1997. So it is not usal to have 1994 on both of them? Most of my figures have the year before they arrive in the stores on the bottom, but some (especially older ones) have the same year on it. So I'm interested why you mean it's impossible for the beagle to have the 1994 on the bottom.

I'm quite new in the Schleich-scene, so I'm also quite clueless and I hope you don't mind silly questions geek

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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Thu May 19, 2011 9:57 pm

Hi, Mia Very Happy

Your question makes lots of sence, but the year 1994 wat not moulded into the beagle untill the version 16332 came in 2003.

Yes, it is totally silly, but Schleich did the same with f.inst the sitting Berner Sennedog. The new version that came in ´05 together with a mate and puppy has 95 moulded in it, while the real old one has no year-mark drunken

Many of the old dogs don`t have a year molded in them, I checked a few of mine : Cocker, Boxer, Beige foxterrier, none have a year, perhaps more dogs don`t?
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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Thu May 19, 2011 10:28 pm

Thank you for your quick answer, Susanne flower

It's a great forum here, I can learn so much new every day! When I understand it right the "real" old ones are the one without the year-mark. So Schleich have to change all of the "old" mold-forms, as example for the sitting Berner Sennedog, and have to add the year-mark 1995 to all of the old mold-forms?

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... the year 1994 wat not moulded into the beagle untill the version 16332 came in 2003.
You mean when the new 16332 Beagle 2003 hit the stores the two Beagles 16302 and 16302-1 got the year-mark 1994? But they aren't produzed in 2003 anymore?

Right now I'm feeling really silly What a Face geek confused scratch great smileys lol!

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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Thu May 19, 2011 10:50 pm

Ich schreib es einfach mal auf Deutsch.
Der Beagle 16032 hat keinen Jahresstempel, wurde aber 94 produziert.
Erst die Neuauflage von 2003, der 16332 beagle hat einen Stempel 1994 und Made in China.
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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Thu May 19, 2011 11:01 pm

Vielen Dank für die Info! Aber wieso gibt Schleich dem neuen Beagle 16332 dann die alte Jahreszahl 1994 und nicht 2003?
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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Thu May 19, 2011 11:06 pm

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You mean when the new 16332 Beagle 2003 hit the stores the two Beagles 16302 and 16302-1 got the year-mark 1994? But they aren't produzed in 2003 anymore?


You are not silly, it IS confusing. Also English is not my first language, so I may not explain very well scratch

What happened was that the dark beagle 16302-1 was only produced for one year.
The light 16302 was made the same year (according to Gascher`s) and the production of this version was continued till 1997.

Then in 2003 they began making it again, but now it was the custom to put the year on, perhaps they put the old year on as not to pretend it was a new beagle?
They also added the "made in..." to the model.

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Am I right, all you others ?
I am not an expert in mold-making, but as far as I can see it was quite easy to do, because they just had to remove some material from the mold Wink

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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Fri May 20, 2011 8:10 am

I think this is correct, Susanne, but we should wait for Peter, as he is the expert on these things.
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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Fri May 20, 2011 8:16 am

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......there are so many crooked sellers of models like these now on eBay.de that I wouldn't be surprised if they are all fakes.

There are sellers who are not only repainting beagles, but also the 14070 zookeepers to make it appear they are the blue and white variant.

Laughing Laughing Cheer up , Phil, I am sure it isn`t as bad as that Very Happy

But if it says 1994 on the buttom, something IS wrong ! Suspect

BTW, - is the blue-and-white farmer rare ?

Yes, it is much rarer than the 14070 blue/red/yellow zookeeper. Until last year, we didn't know of its existence, but Torben acquired one and published the photo here. Then, a certain mega-collector in the UK won one in an auction... Wink

Now, it is clear that there were more than a few big collectors in Germany and elsewhere in the EU who had them.
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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Fri May 20, 2011 8:33 am

Thankyou, Phil ! That is a very interesting story flower

Then I AM really sometimes very lucky bounce bounce cheers

When my son showed me abut net-auctions, perhaps 8 - 9 years ago, I bought these four for 10 DKR, - app, 1,2 Euros !
I was thrilled when I got them, because I discovered they had the Schleich-sign, nobody here knew what they were Laughing Laughing geek

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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Fri May 20, 2011 8:41 am

Yes, that is him...great work, Susanne... cheers
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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Fri May 20, 2011 9:26 am

Ab 1995 hat Schleich grundsätzlich unter allen Figuren einen 4stelligen Jahresstempel.
Dies dürfte der Grund für die 1994 unter dem 16332 Beagle sein. Das eigentliche Modell war ja von 1994, auch wenn er nun 2003 neu aufgelegt wurde.

At the year 1995 Schleich marked all the models with 4 Yearnumbers. So the 16332 beagle became also a yearnumber, and in because the model was from 1994 they take 1994 on it.
On the older figurines they often don`t take yearnumbers ore only 2 yearnumbers for example 94.

But I`m not an expert, I`m also only a collector. And my english is more worse than the english from susanne.

I think the hardest finding figurine is the farmers wife with the black skirt. But she is not so expensive like the dark beagle. I don`t know why? I think the most collectors only knew the figurines of the gascher`s collector guide. And so they don`t bid on it.
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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Fri May 20, 2011 10:03 am

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Ab 1995 hat Schleich grundsätzlich unter allen Figuren einen 4stelligen Jahresstempel.
Dies dürfte der Grund für die 1994 unter dem 16332 Beagle sein. Das eigentliche Modell war ja von 1994, auch wenn er nun 2003 neu aufgelegt wurde.

At the year 1995 Schleich marked all the models with 4 Yearnumbers. So the 16332 beagle became also a yearnumber, and in because the model was from 1994 they take 1994 on it.
On the older figurines they often don`t take yearnumbers ore only 2 yearnumbers for example 94.

But I`m not an expert, I`m also only a collector. And my english is more worse than the english from susanne.

I think the hardest finding figurine is the farmers wife with the black skirt. But she is not so expensive like the dark beagle. I don`t know why? I think the most collectors only knew the figurines of the gascher`s collector guide. And so they don`t bid on it.

Thankyou, Peter, interesting Very Happy

You are right, if a figuere is not in Gascher`s it is often surprisingly cheap !
Like the old foxterrier and poodle, and the pigs from the 60`s.
It is only if two or three collectors discover them at the same time that bids can go mad Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Fri May 20, 2011 10:55 am

Something like that you must buy on a flewmarcet.
I bought the pigs for 20 ct.

But nowadays there are too many experts on flewmarcets and so it is hard to find treasuries.
But the old Schleich Models without Schleich mark are often sold for only Cents.

Like everything in the world, you must have luck. :)
Everything buying on Ebay would be to expensive. Sad
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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Fri May 20, 2011 1:17 pm

Now I understand, thank you very much folks! cheers It's very interesting!

As example, I always wondered why my pig eating 13117 has the year-mark 1995 and was in the stores 2002. There are some other figurines with a "wrong" year-mark and I was wondering about that. Now the (for me) big mystery is solved!!!!! So it seems that all 16302-1 Beagles with a 1994 year-mark are repaints. Is anybody here who has it without year-mark? Always wondered why that special Beagle had such a high price, that the hobby-collector can't afford it. Maybe he is so rare that he didn't exist in real only as repaint Cool

Susanne, don't worry, you did a great job in explaining it to me. And congrats to your rare farmer!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Fri May 20, 2011 3:17 pm

Thankyou Mia, I learned something also, looking under a lot of dogs Laughing Laughing Working together, Peter and I succeeded to explain in English Laughing

And thankyou , I am happy and surprised that my farmer is rare, I had no idea, it is almost like an unexpected gift bounce cheers

The beagle, oh, yes he does exist Very Happy
Or I hope so, mine does certainly not look like a repaint Shocked
I bought him just before people went completely crazy, - only a litte crazy Rolling Eyes

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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Fri May 20, 2011 9:21 pm

WOW!!! Great pics, great dog!!!!! Thanks for showing me the pics flower
I assume your beagle has no year-mark? You must feel very very veeeeery lucky to have this special dog!

It's really crazy now with this horrible What a Face prices.
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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Fri May 20, 2011 10:14 pm

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WOW!!! Great pics, great dog!!!!! Thanks for showing me the pics flower
I assume your beagle has no year-mark? You must feel very very veeeeery lucky to have this special dog!

It's really crazy now with this horrible What a Face prices.

Thankyou Mia sunny

Yes, the prices are ridiculous ! It is alsmost that I should have him in a bankbox Laughing Laughing

An, no, he has no year mark on him Wink
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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Fri May 20, 2011 10:27 pm

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He looks really cute with the brown rings around his eyes. Forgot to mention that I love the great condition of your beagle!!!! cheers
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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Sat May 21, 2011 5:51 am

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He looks really cute with the brown rings around his eyes. Forgot to mention that I love the great condition of your beagle!!!! cheers

What a jealous! I should started twenty years ago?

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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Sat May 21, 2011 7:51 pm

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What a jealous! I should started twenty years ago?

I have no documentation for this, but it is my impression that compared to what else you could get for your money 20 years ago, they were very, very expensive scratch

But the prices surely have increased the last 6 - 12 months What a Face

Fortunately I started 6 - 7 years ago drunken
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PostSubject: Beagle Farbe   Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:19 am

Hallo,

habe jetzt 3 Farbvarianten vom Beagle.

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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Sat Jun 04, 2011 3:40 pm

Nice photo, Juergen. Which ones are 16302 and which are 16332?
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PostSubject: Beagle Farbe   Sat Jun 04, 2011 4:09 pm


Hallo, der Beagle in der Mitte ist 16332 (2003 - 2006) Made in China.

Links (mit Karte) u.Rechts (mit Scheife) ist 16302. 1994-1997. Deutschland.


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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Sat Jun 04, 2011 6:29 pm

Korrigiere mich wenn ich falsch liege.

Aber der linke wurde 94 hergestellt.
95-97 vereinfachte man das Airbrushverfahren und ließ das Buch weg. Somit wurde er dann so wie rechts mit Fähnchen verkauft.
Der in der Mitte ist ja der Made in China von 2003.
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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:33 pm

WOW! I have never seen the one to the left before, amazing !!!!
Does it also has the square in the buttom ?
CONGRATULATIONS Jürgen !!!!! They are beautyful Very Happy sunny

I am not sure I understand you, Peter. My German is not so good. Are you saying that they ended the little white book in 1994 ?
Because they did not. For instance the Golden Retriever, that was made from 1996 came with the white book.

I am interested, because I have the beagle like the one to the right with the white book on.

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Of course that book is easy to move... Suspect
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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:42 pm

Thank you for the information, and congratulations on some lovely variants, Juergen... cheers
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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:58 am

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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:06 am

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Yess ! App half price cheers

But the seller writes that is is in a used, played with condition. A shame for him he did not do a lot better job taking close-up photoes.
It does not look so bad. But who can tell from such a small picture scratch
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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:14 pm

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Yess ! App half price cheers

But the seller writes that is is in a used, played with condition. A shame for him he did not do a lot better job taking close-up photoes.
It does not look so bad. But who can tell from such a small picture scratch

I've never seen a special beagle painted in the same manner as this one. Maybe that is why there were so few bidders. Look closely and carefully... Surprised
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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:22 pm

Different paintwork when compared to this one...

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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:41 pm

So it seems they are variations Shocked

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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:02 pm

Will you collect all Beagle variations? Laughing Wink

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PostSubject: Re: THE Beagle dark 16302-1 for cheap price   Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:04 pm

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Will you collect all Beagle variations? Laughing Wink


lol! I am not THAT crazy Laughing Laughing
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