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jarda wrote:
Hello, my son got some dinos, please can you help him identify the species? The largest one should be Mattel, the red one Schleich, rest Made in China...

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The red one (blue one too?) looks like a Baryonyx; the purple one is a Dilophosaurus; the little green one is probably Euoplocephalus or related. You may get more precise identifications on the Dinosaur Toy Forum!
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jarda wrote:
Hello, my son got some dinos, please can you help him identify the species? The largest one should be Mattel, the red one Schleich, rest Made in China...

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The one on the right is a Jurassic World mini Baryonyx. The yellowish one has been showing up in sets of cheap dinosaurs for many years and some people use it as a Scutellosaurus in the absence of any good toys of that species, but it doesn't really strongly resemble anything known to have existed. I agree with Blaine on the other three.
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Thank you all for your help, dinos and similar prehistoric creatures are not my cup of tea! cheers
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jarda wrote:
Thank you all for your help, dinos and similar prehistoric creatures are not my cup of tea! cheers

Me either, but I have lurked around the DTF and DTB long enough to pick up on trends :-D
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Among the several AAA pictures Aschuck is sending about her collection. There was this AAA scorpion with 6 legs. I haven't found it among Blaine's collection. Obviously the number of legs is wrong but is this figure attributable to any species?
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Among the several AAA pictures Aschuck is sending about her collection. There was this AAA scorpion with 6 legs. I haven't found it among Blaine's collection. Obviously the number of legs is wrong but is this figure attributable to any species?
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I do not have this figure, no. My guess it is generic but may have been influenced by an emperor scorpion.
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What is the problem with the six legs ? Isn't it normal?
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What is the problem with the six legs ? Isn't it normal?

Umm...no. Scorpions have 8 legs, not counting the chelicerae (=pincers).
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Of course !  Silly macaque Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Species identification topic - Page 13 EmptySun Nov 17, 2019 9:47 pm

bmathison1972 wrote:
Roger wrote:
Among the several AAA pictures Aschuck is sending about her collection. There was this AAA scorpion with 6 legs. I haven't found it among Blaine's collection. Obviously the number of legs is wrong but is this figure attributable to any species?
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I do not have this figure, no. My guess it is generic but may have been influenced by an emperor scorpion.

I felt tempted to introduce it as an emperor scorpion but, after comparing it with other figures, it seemed quite different. I will keep it listed as generic.
Could you please also check if this AAA scorpion is the same we can find in your AAA Insects bag?

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Species identification topic - Page 13 EmptySun Nov 17, 2019 9:51 pm

Roger wrote:

Could you please also check if this AAA scorpion is the same we can find in your AAA Insects bag?

The morphology is similar, if not the same sculpt one was influenced by the other. The image quality is a little poor to say with certainty (remember AAA like to create multiple versions of similar models)
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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Species identification topic - Page 13 EmptySun Nov 17, 2019 10:01 pm

bmathison1972 wrote:
Roger wrote:

Could you please also check if this AAA scorpion is the same we can find in your AAA Insects bag?

The morphology is similar, if not the same sculpt one was influenced by the other. The image quality is a little poor to say with certainty (remember AAA like to create multiple versions of similar models)

It happens often with me when working in AAA section. It is very hard to distinguish some figures. There are loads of similar sculpts. Thanks!

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Species identification topic - Page 13 EmptySun Nov 17, 2019 11:10 pm

Scorpions have 6 legs after a fight with another scorpion Razz

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The AAA wild cats section is a little nightmare while editing.
Many moulds are used to represent different species and there are several poses and sizes.
I am trying to be coerent and giving the same pose name when the same mould is used for different animals.
Well, I don't know if wandering is a good word in English to describe the pose of this animal, though, walking and standing are being already used in this size range for other figures. Any better suggestion?
As I am sharing below, this cub mould is being used as a black panther, leopard and snow leopard at least. I believe it is also found as a lion, tiger and white tiger.
I don't use to ask for help identifying felines but this one is really complex for me.
It was sent to me as a lion cub. Yes, the base color and tufted tail corroborate to that idea. Lion cubs also show some spots when they're young but I doubt it could be represented in that way. The use of white in this figure do not work for a lion and the facial strips do not work either.
I know the leopard cub also presented here has dots instead of rosets but I've found this figure often sold as a leopard.

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the top one looks like a cheetah cub; the other IDs look fine
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I agree with bmathison1972. The black tear on the top cub is supposed to represent a cheetah..
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Thanks to you both. I agree the face markings reminds a lot a cheetah. However, there are several AAA cheetah figures and they have their own moulds, apparently they didn't need to use one of these panther cub moulds for a cheetah. That's the reason why I haven't considered it. Though, I will list as a cheetah. If we find evidence that it was marketed as any other feline, it can always changed.

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Just makes you wonder what all is out there for AAA. They probably made so many figures for different distributors in different countries. We might just be scratching the surface of what's out there.

In this case, it looks like they took one sculpt and tried to make as many species out of it as possible, and honestly I am not entirely sure if they are intended to be cubs, or stylized adults. Oh well, you got the species IDs, which is what you needed :)
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bmathison1972 wrote:
Just makes you wonder what all is out there for AAA. They probably made so many figures for different distributors in different countries. We might just be scratching the surface of what's out there.

In this case, it looks like they took one sculpt and tried to make as many species out of it as possible, and honestly I am not entirely sure if they are intended to be cubs, or stylized adults. Oh well, you got the species IDs, which is what you needed :)

I already have a pale idea how things go with AAA. Surely they made this figure to a distributor that wanted something else. Laughing It is often hard to tell an adulte figure from a youngster but this one is clearly a cub. I only don't understand why with so many cheetahs with good sculpts, they used this one and they even didn't care about making strips in its tail. Well, calling it a cheetah will help meanwhile once it is different from all others and it will be presented as a distinct figure instead of a color variation.
The use of AAA moulds is so exaustive that once, the good African wild dog mould was used to make a spotted hyena. Laughing

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Another ambiguous AAA cub figure popped up from precious VVexvamp photographic contributions to the Toy Animal wiki.
This same mould is already listed as a black panther cub and I know it exists also as a lion cub.
To be fair, the black version looks like a black lion. Laughing
Now Vexvamp brings this spotted version.Some cub moulds are often used to represent cheetahs, leopards, jaguars, etc.
I have no idea what they intend to represent here. A puma cub was also suggested but whilst puma cubs are spotted, they also have blue eyes, a very defining characteristic this figure misses.
As I told, the mould is a lion, look at the tail tuft, the problem is that other figures with tail tufts represent often tigers and other panthers that do not have tail brushes in real.
Also, lions cubs born with tawny black spots although it is rarely represented in toy shape.
To help the confusion, the eyes are completely surrounded by a white area. This kind of eyes mark is typical of leopards in this toy hobby. When lions, normally only the part under the eys is white painted.



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In my opinion the AAA flying gull is an Audouin's due to the light beak colouration and feathers. Can anyone find a better species it represents.

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In my opinion the AAA flying gull is an Audouin's due to the light beak colouration and feathers. Can anyone find a better species it represents.

Interesting, very interesting. But i need pics

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It maybe fits better even with a tubenose than with a gull. Certainly it don't have any resemblance to an Audouin's gull. If I had to choose a species, I would say one of the arctic species trio (glaucous, glaucous-winged or Iceland) due to the lack of black markings on the wings, but it's a bit forced to think it represents an exact species.

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I will keep the gull as generic once I also think it doesn't represent any particular species.
Gulls change colors with age and season and they are really difficult to identify, and AAA figures are often presented with different color layouts. However, I find always interesting when someone tries to identify the species of a certain figure.

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