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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:08 am

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Sea otters also tend to be much fuzzier, and probably couldn't actually 'stand' like that--they are almsot entirely aquatic.

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:36 am

Thanks for your opinion, Roger. This is exactly the determination problem why I came here Razz Though I have to agree with Sean on this one; the figurine is anatomically just not correct as a sea otter. So it must be some other kind of otter. I just thought I read something about North American river otters going north as far as the Arctic.. I just can't find it anymore Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:45 pm

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Thanks for your opinion, Roger. This is exactly the determination problem why I came here Razz Though I have to agree with Sean on this one; the figurine is anatomically just not correct as a sea otter. So it must be some other kind of otter. I just thought I read something about North American river otters going north as far as the Arctic.. I just can't find it anymore Laughing

Just a quick look at Wikipedia shows a distribution as far North as Alaska/Northern Canada, so it seems that they can be found in the arctic. Although it does seem more likely that a set maker just got lazy when including an otter species.

As it is, Sea Otters don't usually actually venture much further north than Kamchatka/Aleutian islands (i.e. beyond 60 degrees North), so they really aren't appropriate as 'arctic' animals anyway--they are Pacific ocean animals, not Arctic ocean animals.

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:49 pm

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Thanks for your opinion, Roger. This is exactly the determination problem why I came here Razz Though I have to agree with Sean on this one; the figurine is anatomically just not correct as a sea otter. So it must be some other kind of otter. I just thought I read something about North American river otters going north as far as the Arctic.. I just can't find it anymore Laughing

Just a quick look at Wikipedia shows a distribution as far North as Alaska/Northern Canada, so it seems that they can be found in the arctic. Although it does seem more likely that a set maker just got lazy when including an otter species.

As it is, Sea Otters don't usually actually venture much further north than Kamchatka/Aleutian islands (i.e. beyond 60 degrees North), so they really aren't appropriate as 'arctic' animals anyway--they are Pacific ocean animals, not Arctic ocean animals.

Thanks, Sean. I think we can stick to Northern American river otter than? Yes, it seems they got lazy Laughing Well I still love the figurine!

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:12 am

Can you guys tell me what these are. They are from Battat.

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:13 am

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:14 am

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:15 am

Those aren't really from Battat--like K&M, Battat bought casts of generic reptile molds are repackaged them.

The models themselves are way too generic to identify, even to family. The lizard on the right could be some kind of spiny lizard (it's kind of similar to the XX ones) but too skinny.

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:45 pm

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I'd like to know the number, name, series etc. :) and maybe what it's worth?

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:54 am

Hey y'all, my knowledge of invertebrates is rather limited. What is this creature, made by Safari?

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:55 am

It is a Cowry Shell from the Coral Reef Toob 699104 . Look [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Thu Oct 20, 2016 9:38 am

Thank you so much!
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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:26 pm

I also need help with this critter:

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:14 pm

That is a hamster

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:21 pm

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That is a hamster

Syrian hamster :)

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:26 pm

Safari toob figures are marked somewhere on them (other than the very earliest ones--dinos, zoo animals, insects, reptiles). Or, the Safari website also lists what is in each toob.

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:21 am

I got them loose, Sbell. And I couldn't read the markings without using a loup...which I recently lost. They are really tiny.
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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:59 pm

Its from the Safari Ltd pet animals tube. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:41 pm

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Ohhh, yes ! Of course Very Happy

Btw, - we don't have pictures from that toob in TAI affraid

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:06 am

I was taking pictures of some New-Ray birds for TAI, - but I am not sure what species these are  scratch
They are from one of the American hunting sets, so they must be a North American bird .

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:41 pm

They look different species indeed although I am not sure what they intend to represent. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] apparently identified the flying one as an American wigeon as you did. Maybe the darkest of all is a kind of scoter? Hard tto tell. scratch

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:49 am

Great, thanks, Roger !!!

I will enter them as wigeons then Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:37 am

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Great, thanks, Roger !!!

I will enter them as wigeons then Very Happy

Done, I created a page for [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] once it was still missing. However, if anyone have a different opinion about hte species identification it could be great. :)

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:08 am

Thankyou, dear Roger cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:28 am

I have this tiny Toy Major turtle (1994, marked 'A'). Can someone help me identifying the species, so I can put it on TAi? Thanks in advance!

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:41 pm

So I just received these French feves butterflies. They are labeled with the names in French, but some are rather simple, common names, so I am not always sure of the species. Maybe some of you in Europe/Canada can help with translations and identifications based on form. Several are realistic, but some might be stylized, so take that into account.
thanks!

Left to right, top to bottom:

1. Le Polygone, satyr comma, Polygonia satyrus
2. Le noctuelle, Erebidae, gen. sp.[noctuelle is apparently a generic term for noctuid moths, Erebidae, formerly in Noctuidae]
3. l'Argus vert, green hairstreak, Callophyrus rubi [shape not right, but translation seems sound]
4. Le cuivre, copper butterfly, Lycaena sp. [form does not fit for Lycaena--maybe I am missing something in the translation?]
5. L'exotique, ???
6. Le maculinea, Alcon blue, Phengaris alcon
7. Le tigre, Canadian swallowtail, Papilio canadensis [this might be P. machaon if intended to be all European species?]
8. L'azure, common blue, Polyommatus icarus
9. Le paon de nuit, small emperor moth, Saturnia pavonia
10. Le Coliade, orange sulfur, Colias eurytheme

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:35 am

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I am working species pages on Toy Animal Wiki and often I find species that I cannot identify. I'll use this topic to have your help if possible. I won't post them at once.
I'll start with some crabs once it is the section I am working at the moment.
Does anyone knows the species of this crab from K&M kelp forest tube?

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I have researched this heavily and can find no match to 1) its color and 2) its association with kelp. I am afraid this might be a generic paint job with no real affiliation.
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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:30 am

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I have this tiny Toy Major turtle (1994, marked 'A'). Can someone help me identifying the species, so I can put it on TAi? Thanks in advance!

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For the butterflies:

1. Le Polygone, satyr comma, Polygonia satyrus
2. Le noctuelle, Erebidae, gen. sp.[noctuelle is apparently a generic term for noctuid moths, Erebidae, formerly in Noctuidae] Good luck it is a very generic name
3. l'Argus vert, green hairstreak, Callophyrus rubi [shape not right, but translation seems sound] indeed
4. Le cuivre, copper butterfly, Lycaena sp. [form does not fit for Lycaena--maybe I am missing something in the translation?] Cuivré (and faux-cuivré) is a vernacular name for Lycaeninae ( Theclinae for the Faux -cuivré)
5. L'exotique, ??? ??????
6. Le maculinea, Alcon blue, Phengaris alcon
7. Le tigre, Canadian swallowtail, Papilio canadensis [this might be P. machaon if intended to be all European species?] It is the Canadian swallowtail. P. machaon is called Grand porte-queue
8. L'azure, common blue, Polyommatus icarus
9. Le paon de nuit, small emperor moth, Saturnia pavonia
10. Le Coliade, orange sulfur, Colias eurytheme

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:22 pm

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For the butterflies:

1. Le Polygone, satyr comma, Polygonia satyrus
2. Le noctuelle, Erebidae, gen. sp.[noctuelle is apparently a generic term for noctuid moths, Erebidae, formerly in Noctuidae] Good luck it is a very generic name
3. l'Argus vert, green hairstreak, Callophyrus rubi [shape not right, but translation seems sound] indeed
4. Le cuivre, copper butterfly, Lycaena sp. [form does not fit for Lycaena--maybe I am missing something in the translation?] Cuivré (and faux-cuivré) is a vernacular name for Lycaeninae ( Theclinae for the Faux -cuivré)
5. L'exotique, ??? ??????
6. Le maculinea, Alcon blue, Phengaris alcon
7. Le tigre, Canadian swallowtail, Papilio canadensis [this might be P. machaon if intended to be all European species?] It is the Canadian swallowtail. P. machaon is called Grand porte-queue
8. L'azure, common blue, Polyommatus icarus
9. Le paon de nuit, small emperor moth, Saturnia pavonia
10. Le Coliade, orange sulfur, Colias eurytheme

Thanks Kiki! Looks like I at least got most of them correct!
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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:46 pm

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So I just received these French feves butterflies. They are labeled with the names in French, but some are rather simple, common names, so I am not always sure of the species. Maybe some of you in Europe/Canada can help with translations and identifications based on form. Several are realistic, but some might be stylized, so take that into account.
thanks!

Left to right, top to bottom:

1. Le Polygone, satyr comma, Polygonia satyrus
2. Le noctuelle, Erebidae, gen. sp.[noctuelle is apparently a generic term for noctuid moths, Erebidae, formerly in Noctuidae]
3. l'Argus vert, green hairstreak, Callophyrus rubi [shape not right, but translation seems sound]
4. Le cuivre, copper butterfly, Lycaena sp. [form does not fit for Lycaena--maybe I am missing something in the translation?]
5. L'exotique, ???
6. Le maculinea, Alcon blue, Phengaris alcon
7. Le tigre, Canadian swallowtail, Papilio canadensis [this might be P. machaon if intended to be all European species?]
8. L'azure, common blue, Polyommatus icarus
9. Le paon de nuit, small emperor moth, Saturnia pavonia
10. Le Coliade, orange sulfur, Colias eurytheme

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Are you sure the NUMBER 5 is not ACTIAS MAENAS?

As for NUMBER 7, it is probably the species French people call FLAMBÉ, IPHICLIDES PODALIRIUS, rather than the Canadian Tiger, since fèves are themselves french.

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:32 pm

I too suspected 5 was an Actias (or related) but I am sure 7 is a Papilio, with P. canadensis making the most sense based on direct translation.
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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:29 pm

The Flambé IS a Papilionidae. It is closely related to both Machaon and Canadian Tiger. Plus, this species (Flambé) is present in every single french book on Lepidopteres, and even insects. So, why would a french feves company represent a canadian species when they have a french species that looks like the Canadian one? It is very unlikely, isn't it? Plus, look at the dark stripes on the feve: they are very long, longer than the stripes of the Canadian Tiger. So, I am 100percent sure it is a Flambé.
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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:39 pm

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The Flambé IS a Papilionidae. It is closely related to both Machaon and Canadian Tiger. Plus, this species (Flambé) is present in every single french book on Lepidopteres, and even insects. So, why would a french feves company represent a canadian species when they have a french species that looks like the Canadian one? It is very unlikely, isn't it? Plus, look at the dark stripes on the feve: they are very long, longer than the stripes of the Canadian Tiger. So, I am 100percent sure it is a Flambé.

I disagree. The color and form looks like a member of the genus Papilio [please pay attention, in my earlier post I was not questioning whether or not it was a Papilionidae, I said it was in the genus Papilio specifically; learn to recognize the difference between genera and families]. If they had intended this to be the Flambe, I would assume they would have printed that on the figure. Anyway the figure is in my collection, so I am calling it P. canadensis. Besides Kiki is in France and he backs it up :)

Also if these were all intended to be French species, why would you assume 5 is Actias maenas...
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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:00 pm

The n°7 is called a Tigré and it looks like a Tigré. I agree with Blaine, if this French company intented to make a Flambé, they wouldn't call it something else.

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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:35 pm

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The n°7 is called a Tigré and it looks like a Tigré. I agree with Blaine, if this French company intented to make a Flambé, they wouldn't call it something else.

Oh! Now that is a surprise!Surprised  It's the very first time I see a french lepidoptere collection/book that shows a Tigré instead of a Flambé! Here in Québec, we use dictionnaries that are written in France. And they have a "Papillons" (Lépidoptères) page where they show a few species as examples, and they show a Flambé. In fact, the only north american species this page shows is a Monarch. You know why? Because they consider North American species (birds, mammals, insects) as "exotic"! And most of the time, people from France all know about the Machaon and the Flambé, but not so many of them know the Tigré, which looks a lot like the two others.

Really, that surprises me a lot.Shocked First time a French corporation shows a Tigré instead of a Flambé. Very first time!
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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:33 pm

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So I just received these French feves butterflies. They are labeled with the names in French, but some are rather simple, common names, so I am not always sure of the species. Maybe some of you in Europe/Canada can help with translations and identifications based on form. Several are realistic, but some might be stylized, so take that into account.
thanks!

Left to right, top to bottom:

1. Le Polygone, satyr comma, Polygonia satyrus
2. Le noctuelle, Erebidae, gen. sp.[noctuelle is apparently a generic term for noctuid moths, Erebidae, formerly in Noctuidae]
3. l'Argus vert, green hairstreak, Callophyrus rubi [shape not right, but translation seems sound]
4. Le cuivre, copper butterfly, Lycaena sp. [form does not fit for Lycaena--maybe I am missing something in the translation?]
5. L'exotique, ???
6. Le maculinea, Alcon blue, Phengaris alcon
7. Le tigre, Canadian swallowtail, Papilio canadensis [this might be P. machaon if intended to be all European species?]
8. L'azure, common blue, Polyommatus icarus
9. Le paon de nuit, small emperor moth, Saturnia pavonia
10. Le Coliade, orange sulfur, Colias eurytheme

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I believe the second one should be any species from genus Hepialus...
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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:24 am

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The n°7 is called a Tigré and it looks like a Tigré. I agree with Blaine, if this French company intented to make a Flambé, they wouldn't call it something else.

Oh! Now that is a surprise!Surprised  It's the very first time I see a french lepidoptere collection/book that shows a Tigré instead of a Flambé! Here in Québec, we use dictionnaries that are written in France. And they have a "Papillons" (Lépidoptères) page where they show a few species as examples, and they show a Flambé. In fact, the only north american species this page shows is a Monarch. You know why? Because they consider North American species (birds, mammals, insects) as "exotic"! And most of the time, people from France all know about the Machaon and the Flambé, but not so many of them know the Tigré, which looks a lot like the two others.

Really, that surprises me a lot.Shocked  First time a French corporation shows a Tigré instead of a Flambé. Very first time!

That's OK. I would expect some differences between France and French Canada :). Thanks for your efforts, they are appreciated!
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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:32 pm

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So I just received these French feves butterflies. They are labeled with the names in French, but some are rather simple, common names, so I am not always sure of the species. Maybe some of you in Europe/Canada can help with translations and identifications based on form. Several are realistic, but some might be stylized, so take that into account.
thanks!

Left to right, top to bottom:

1. Le Polygone, satyr comma, Polygonia satyrus
2. Le noctuelle, Erebidae, gen. sp.[noctuelle is apparently a generic term for noctuid moths, Erebidae, formerly in Noctuidae]
3. l'Argus vert, green hairstreak, Callophyrus rubi [shape not right, but translation seems sound]
4. Le cuivre, copper butterfly, Lycaena sp. [form does not fit for Lycaena--maybe I am missing something in the translation?]
5. L'exotique, ???
6. Le maculinea, Alcon blue, Phengaris alcon
7. Le tigre, Canadian swallowtail, Papilio canadensis [this might be P. machaon if intended to be all European species?]
8. L'azure, common blue, Polyommatus icarus
9. Le paon de nuit, small emperor moth, Saturnia pavonia
10. Le Coliade, orange sulfur, Colias eurytheme

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I believe the second one should be any species from genus Hepialus...

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Could the second one be "Triodia sylvina", which the French people call the SYLVINE? It is a common species in the french régions of Poitou and Charentes and is enough well known to have its popular name. What do you think?
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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:25 am

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So I just received these French feves butterflies. They are labeled with the names in French, but some are rather simple, common names, so I am not always sure of the species. Maybe some of you in Europe/Canada can help with translations and identifications based on form. Several are realistic, but some might be stylized, so take that into account.
thanks!

Left to right, top to bottom:

1. Le Polygone, satyr comma, Polygonia satyrus
2. Le noctuelle, Erebidae, gen. sp.[noctuelle is apparently a generic term for noctuid moths, Erebidae, formerly in Noctuidae]
3. l'Argus vert, green hairstreak, Callophyrus rubi [shape not right, but translation seems sound]
4. Le cuivre, copper butterfly, Lycaena sp. [form does not fit for Lycaena--maybe I am missing something in the translation?]
5. L'exotique, ???
6. Le maculinea, Alcon blue, Phengaris alcon
7. Le tigre, Canadian swallowtail, Papilio canadensis [this might be P. machaon if intended to be all European species?]
8. L'azure, common blue, Polyommatus icarus
9. Le paon de nuit, small emperor moth, Saturnia pavonia
10. Le Coliade, orange sulfur, Colias eurytheme

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I believe the second one should be any species from genus Hepialus...

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Could the second one be "Triodia sylvina", which the French people call the SYLVINE? It is a common species in the french régions of Poitou and Charentes and is enough well known to have its popular name. What do you think?

Maybe. Triodia and Hepialus are synonyms:
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PostSubject: Re: Species identification topic   Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:23 am

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So I just received these French feves butterflies. They are labeled with the names in French, but some are rather simple, common names, so I am not always sure of the species. Maybe some of you in Europe/Canada can help with translations and identifications based on form. Several are realistic, but some might be stylized, so take that into account.
thanks!

Left to right, top to bottom:

1. Le Polygone, satyr comma, Polygonia satyrus
2. Le noctuelle, Erebidae, gen. sp.[noctuelle is apparently a generic term for noctuid moths, Erebidae, formerly in Noctuidae]
3. l'Argus vert, green hairstreak, Callophyrus rubi [shape not right, but translation seems sound]
4. Le cuivre, copper butterfly, Lycaena sp. [form does not fit for Lycaena--maybe I am missing something in the translation?]
5. L'exotique, ???
6. Le maculinea, Alcon blue, Phengaris alcon
7. Le tigre, Canadian swallowtail, Papilio canadensis [this might be P. machaon if intended to be all European species?]
8. L'azure, common blue, Polyommatus icarus
9. Le paon de nuit, small emperor moth, Saturnia pavonia
10. Le Coliade, orange sulfur, Colias eurytheme

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I believe the second one should be any species from genus Hepialus...

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Could the second one be "Triodia sylvina", which the French people call the SYLVINE? It is a common species in the french régions of Poitou and Charentes and is enough well known to have its popular name. What do you think?

Maybe. Triodia and Hepialus are synonyms:
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