Species identification topic

Safari toob figures are marked somewhere on them (other than the very earliest ones--dinos, zoo animals, insects, reptiles). Or, the Safari website also lists what is in each toob.

Just sayin'!

I got them loose, Sbell. And I couldn't read the markings without using a loup...which I recently lost. They are really tiny.

Its from the Safari Ltd pet animals tube.

Taos wrote:

Its from the Safari Ltd pet animals tube.

Ohhh, yes ! Of course

Btw, - we don't have pictures from that toob in TAI

I was taking pictures of some New-Ray birds for TAI, - but I am not sure what species these are  
They are from one of the American hunting sets, so they must be a North American bird .

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Could they be American Wingeons ?
They have green on the head and white round the tail...but ....

They look different species indeed although I am not sure what they intend to represent. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] apparently identified the flying one as an American wigeon as you did. Maybe the darkest of all is a kind of scoter? Hard tto tell.

Great, thanks, Roger !!!

I will enter them as wigeons then

SUSANNE wrote:

Great, thanks, Roger !!!

I will enter them as wigeons then

Done, I created a page for American wigeon once it was still missing. However, if anyone have a different opinion about hte species identification it could be great. :)

Thankyou, dear Roger

I have this tiny Toy Major turtle (1994, marked 'A'). Can someone help me identifying the species, so I can put it on TAi? Thanks in advance!

So I just received these French feves butterflies. They are labeled with the names in French, but some are rather simple, common names, so I am not always sure of the species. Maybe some of you in Europe/Canada can help with translations and identifications based on form. Several are realistic, but some might be stylized, so take that into account.
thanks!

Left to right, top to bottom:

1. Le Polygone, satyr comma, Polygonia satyrus
2. Le noctuelle, Erebidae, gen. sp.[noctuelle is apparently a generic term for noctuid moths, Erebidae, formerly in Noctuidae]
3. l'Argus vert, green hairstreak, Callophyrus rubi [shape not right, but translation seems sound]
4. Le cuivre, copper butterfly, Lycaena sp. [form does not fit for Lycaena--maybe I am missing something in the translation?]
5. L'exotique, ???
6. Le maculinea, Alcon blue, Phengaris alcon
7. Le tigre, Canadian swallowtail, Papilio canadensis [this might be P. machaon if intended to be all European species?]
8. L'azure, common blue, Polyommatus icarus
9. Le paon de nuit, small emperor moth, Saturnia pavonia
10. Le Coliade, orange sulfur, Colias eurytheme

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Roger wrote:

I am working species pages on Toy Animal Wiki and often I find species that I cannot identify. I'll use this topic to have your help if possible. I won't post them at once.
I'll start with some crabs once it is the section I am working at the moment.
Does anyone knows the species of this crab from K&M kelp forest tube?

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I have researched this heavily and can find no match to 1) its color and 2) its association with kelp. I am afraid this might be a generic paint job with no real affiliation.

Tarunyada wrote:

I have this tiny Toy Major turtle (1994, marked 'A'). Can someone help me identifying the species, so I can put it on TAi? Thanks in advance!

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_{Toy Major 1994 Turtle (A)}

It looks like a Spiny turtle


For the butterflies:

1. Le Polygone, satyr comma, Polygonia satyrus
2. Le noctuelle, Erebidae, gen. sp.[noctuelle is apparently a generic term for noctuid moths, Erebidae, formerly in Noctuidae] Good luck it is a very generic name
3. l'Argus vert, green hairstreak, Callophyrus rubi [shape not right, but translation seems sound] indeed
4. Le cuivre, copper butterfly, Lycaena sp. [form does not fit for Lycaena--maybe I am missing something in the translation?] Cuivré (and faux-cuivré) is a vernacular name for Lycaeninae ( Theclinae for the Faux -cuivré)
5. L'exotique, ??? ??????
6. Le maculinea, Alcon blue, Phengaris alcon
7. Le tigre, Canadian swallowtail, Papilio canadensis [this might be P. machaon if intended to be all European species?] It is the Canadian swallowtail. P. machaon is called Grand porte-queue
8. L'azure, common blue, Polyommatus icarus
9. Le paon de nuit, small emperor moth, Saturnia pavonia
10. Le Coliade, orange sulfur, Colias eurytheme

Kikimalou wrote:

For the butterflies:

1. Le Polygone, satyr comma, Polygonia satyrus
2. Le noctuelle, Erebidae, gen. sp.[noctuelle is apparently a generic term for noctuid moths, Erebidae, formerly in Noctuidae] Good luck it is a very generic name
3. l'Argus vert, green hairstreak, Callophyrus rubi [shape not right, but translation seems sound] indeed
4. Le cuivre, copper butterfly, Lycaena sp. [form does not fit for Lycaena--maybe I am missing something in the translation?] Cuivré (and faux-cuivré) is a vernacular name for Lycaeninae ( Theclinae for the Faux -cuivré)
5. L'exotique, ??? ??????
6. Le maculinea, Alcon blue, Phengaris alcon
7. Le tigre, Canadian swallowtail, Papilio canadensis [this might be P. machaon if intended to be all European species?] It is the Canadian swallowtail. P. machaon is called Grand porte-queue
8. L'azure, common blue, Polyommatus icarus
9. Le paon de nuit, small emperor moth, Saturnia pavonia
10. Le Coliade, orange sulfur, Colias eurytheme

Thanks Kiki! Looks like I at least got most of them correct!

bmathison1972 wrote:

So I just received these French feves butterflies. They are labeled with the names in French, but some are rather simple, common names, so I am not always sure of the species. Maybe some of you in Europe/Canada can help with translations and identifications based on form. Several are realistic, but some might be stylized, so take that into account.
thanks!

Left to right, top to bottom:

1. Le Polygone, satyr comma, Polygonia satyrus
2. Le noctuelle, Erebidae, gen. sp.[noctuelle is apparently a generic term for noctuid moths, Erebidae, formerly in Noctuidae]
3. l'Argus vert, green hairstreak, Callophyrus rubi [shape not right, but translation seems sound]
4. Le cuivre, copper butterfly, Lycaena sp. [form does not fit for Lycaena--maybe I am missing something in the translation?]
5. L'exotique, ???
6. Le maculinea, Alcon blue, Phengaris alcon
7. Le tigre, Canadian swallowtail, Papilio canadensis [this might be P. machaon if intended to be all European species?]
8. L'azure, common blue, Polyommatus icarus
9. Le paon de nuit, small emperor moth, Saturnia pavonia
10. Le Coliade, orange sulfur, Colias eurytheme

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Are you sure the NUMBER 5 is not ACTIAS MAENAS?

As for NUMBER 7, it is probably the species French people call FLAMBÉ, IPHICLIDES PODALIRIUS, rather than the Canadian Tiger, since fèves are themselves french.

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I too suspected 5 was an Actias (or related) but I am sure 7 is a Papilio, with P. canadensis making the most sense based on direct translation.

The Flambé IS a Papilionidae. It is closely related to both Machaon and Canadian Tiger. Plus, this species (Flambé) is present in every single french book on Lepidopteres, and even insects. So, why would a french feves company represent a canadian species when they have a french species that looks like the Canadian one? It is very unlikely, isn't it? Plus, look at the dark stripes on the feve: they are very long, longer than the stripes of the Canadian Tiger. So, I am 100percent sure it is a Flambé.

Bowhead Whale wrote:

The Flambé IS a Papilionidae. It is closely related to both Machaon and Canadian Tiger. Plus, this species (Flambé) is present in every single french book on Lepidopteres, and even insects. So, why would a french feves company represent a canadian species when they have a french species that looks like the Canadian one? It is very unlikely, isn't it? Plus, look at the dark stripes on the feve: they are very long, longer than the stripes of the Canadian Tiger. So, I am 100percent sure it is a Flambé.

I disagree. The color and form looks like a member of the genus Papilio [please pay attention, in my earlier post I was not questioning whether or not it was a Papilionidae, I said it was in the genus Papilio specifically; learn to recognize the difference between genera and families]. If they had intended this to be the Flambe, I would assume they would have printed that on the figure. Anyway the figure is in my collection, so I am calling it P. canadensis. Besides Kiki is in France and he backs it up :)

Also if these were all intended to be French species, why would you assume 5 is Actias maenas...

The n°7 is called a Tigré and it looks like a Tigré. I agree with Blaine, if this French company intented to make a Flambé, they wouldn't call it something else.

Kikimalou wrote:

The n°7 is called a Tigré and it looks like a Tigré. I agree with Blaine, if this French company intented to make a Flambé, they wouldn't call it something else.

Oh! Now that is a surprise!  It's the very first time I see a french lepidoptere collection/book that shows a Tigré instead of a Flambé! Here in Québec, we use dictionnaries that are written in France. And they have a "Papillons" (Lépidoptères) page where they show a few species as examples, and they show a Flambé. In fact, the only north american species this page shows is a Monarch. You know why? Because they consider North American species (birds, mammals, insects) as "exotic"! And most of the time, people from France all know about the Machaon and the Flambé, but not so many of them know the Tigré, which looks a lot like the two others.

Really, that surprises me a lot. First time a French corporation shows a Tigré instead of a Flambé. Very first time!

bmathison1972 wrote:

So I just received these French feves butterflies. They are labeled with the names in French, but some are rather simple, common names, so I am not always sure of the species. Maybe some of you in Europe/Canada can help with translations and identifications based on form. Several are realistic, but some might be stylized, so take that into account.
thanks!

Left to right, top to bottom:

1. Le Polygone, satyr comma, Polygonia satyrus
2. Le noctuelle, Erebidae, gen. sp.[noctuelle is apparently a generic term for noctuid moths, Erebidae, formerly in Noctuidae]
3. l'Argus vert, green hairstreak, Callophyrus rubi [shape not right, but translation seems sound]
4. Le cuivre, copper butterfly, Lycaena sp. [form does not fit for Lycaena--maybe I am missing something in the translation?]
5. L'exotique, ???
6. Le maculinea, Alcon blue, Phengaris alcon
7. Le tigre, Canadian swallowtail, Papilio canadensis [this might be P. machaon if intended to be all European species?]
8. L'azure, common blue, Polyommatus icarus
9. Le paon de nuit, small emperor moth, Saturnia pavonia
10. Le Coliade, orange sulfur, Colias eurytheme

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I believe the second one should be any species from genus Hepialus...

Bowhead Whale wrote:

Kikimalou wrote:

The n°7 is called a Tigré and it looks like a Tigré. I agree with Blaine, if this French company intented to make a Flambé, they wouldn't call it something else.

Oh! Now that is a surprise!  It's the very first time I see a french lepidoptere collection/book that shows a Tigré instead of a Flambé! Here in Québec, we use dictionnaries that are written in France. And they have a "Papillons" (Lépidoptères) page where they show a few species as examples, and they show a Flambé. In fact, the only north american species this page shows is a Monarch. You know why? Because they consider North American species (birds, mammals, insects) as "exotic"! And most of the time, people from France all know about the Machaon and the Flambé, but not so many of them know the Tigré, which looks a lot like the two others.

Really, that surprises me a lot.  First time a French corporation shows a Tigré instead of a Flambé. Very first time!

That's OK. I would expect some differences between France and French Canada :). Thanks for your efforts, they are appreciated!

jarda wrote:

bmathison1972 wrote:

So I just received these French feves butterflies. They are labeled with the names in French, but some are rather simple, common names, so I am not always sure of the species. Maybe some of you in Europe/Canada can help with translations and identifications based on form. Several are realistic, but some might be stylized, so take that into account.
thanks!

Left to right, top to bottom:

1. Le Polygone, satyr comma, Polygonia satyrus
2. Le noctuelle, Erebidae, gen. sp.[noctuelle is apparently a generic term for noctuid moths, Erebidae, formerly in Noctuidae]
3. l'Argus vert, green hairstreak, Callophyrus rubi [shape not right, but translation seems sound]
4. Le cuivre, copper butterfly, Lycaena sp. [form does not fit for Lycaena--maybe I am missing something in the translation?]
5. L'exotique, ???
6. Le maculinea, Alcon blue, Phengaris alcon
7. Le tigre, Canadian swallowtail, Papilio canadensis [this might be P. machaon if intended to be all European species?]
8. L'azure, common blue, Polyommatus icarus
9. Le paon de nuit, small emperor moth, Saturnia pavonia
10. Le Coliade, orange sulfur, Colias eurytheme

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I believe the second one should be any species from genus Hepialus...

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Could the second one be "Triodia sylvina", which the French people call the SYLVINE? It is a common species in the french régions of Poitou and Charentes and is enough well known to have its popular name. What do you think?

Bowhead Whale wrote:

jarda wrote:

bmathison1972 wrote:

So I just received these French feves butterflies. They are labeled with the names in French, but some are rather simple, common names, so I am not always sure of the species. Maybe some of you in Europe/Canada can help with translations and identifications based on form. Several are realistic, but some might be stylized, so take that into account.
thanks!

Left to right, top to bottom:

1. Le Polygone, satyr comma, Polygonia satyrus
2. Le noctuelle, Erebidae, gen. sp.[noctuelle is apparently a generic term for noctuid moths, Erebidae, formerly in Noctuidae]
3. l'Argus vert, green hairstreak, Callophyrus rubi [shape not right, but translation seems sound]
4. Le cuivre, copper butterfly, Lycaena sp. [form does not fit for Lycaena--maybe I am missing something in the translation?]
5. L'exotique, ???
6. Le maculinea, Alcon blue, Phengaris alcon
7. Le tigre, Canadian swallowtail, Papilio canadensis [this might be P. machaon if intended to be all European species?]
8. L'azure, common blue, Polyommatus icarus
9. Le paon de nuit, small emperor moth, Saturnia pavonia
10. Le Coliade, orange sulfur, Colias eurytheme

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I believe the second one should be any species from genus Hepialus...

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Could the second one be "Triodia sylvina", which the French people call the SYLVINE? It is a common species in the french régions of Poitou and Charentes and is enough well known to have its popular name. What do you think?

Maybe. Triodia and Hepialus are synonyms:
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jarda wrote:

Bowhead Whale wrote:

jarda wrote:

bmathison1972 wrote:

So I just received these French feves butterflies. They are labeled with the names in French, but some are rather simple, common names, so I am not always sure of the species. Maybe some of you in Europe/Canada can help with translations and identifications based on form. Several are realistic, but some might be stylized, so take that into account.
thanks!

Left to right, top to bottom:

1. Le Polygone, satyr comma, Polygonia satyrus
2. Le noctuelle, Erebidae, gen. sp.[noctuelle is apparently a generic term for noctuid moths, Erebidae, formerly in Noctuidae]
3. l'Argus vert, green hairstreak, Callophyrus rubi [shape not right, but translation seems sound]
4. Le cuivre, copper butterfly, Lycaena sp. [form does not fit for Lycaena--maybe I am missing something in the translation?]
5. L'exotique, ???
6. Le maculinea, Alcon blue, Phengaris alcon
7. Le tigre, Canadian swallowtail, Papilio canadensis [this might be P. machaon if intended to be all European species?]
8. L'azure, common blue, Polyommatus icarus
9. Le paon de nuit, small emperor moth, Saturnia pavonia
10. Le Coliade, orange sulfur, Colias eurytheme

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I believe the second one should be any species from genus Hepialus...

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Could the second one be "Triodia sylvina", which the French people call the SYLVINE? It is a common species in the french régions of Poitou and Charentes and is enough well known to have its popular name. What do you think?

Maybe. Triodia and Hepialus are synonyms:
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I guess it is one of the Noctuelle, you can pick one in the list HERE