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PostSubject: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:05 pm

Our friend Patrick posted in its blog what is the first picture of the Carnegi concavenator. The figure was originally planed to be presented in 2012 but it looks it was delayed to 2013. I continue thinking that Safari really delayed some of their 2012 projects and that's why I really also expect a fantastic 2013 year for the North American brand.

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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:23 pm

Looks great, sadly another tripod. :<

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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:34 pm

Wow, that's amazing, I must have that one!
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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:28 pm

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Wow, that's amazing, I must have that one!

Me too bounce bounce
It looks fantastic....ohhh, no Shocked I don`t collect Safari silent tongue scratch

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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:35 pm

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Wow, that's amazing, I must have that one!

Me too bounce bounce
It looks fantastic....ohhh, no Shocked I don`t collect Safari silent tongue scratch

Why?
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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Sun Sep 02, 2012 6:42 pm

I HAVE to stop somewhere Suspect
I have almost all Schleich, Bullyland, Reisler, Papo, Mojo and heaps of others.
My house is filled with plastic toys, - but I am not very successfull, - my collection of Safari grows and grows Embarassed geek

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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Sun Sep 02, 2012 7:26 pm

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I HAVE to stop somewhere Suspect
I have almost all Schleich, Bullyland, Reisler, Papo, Mojo and heaps of others.
My house is filled with plastic toys, - but I am not very successfull, - my collection of Safari grows and grows Embarassed geek

Lol pretty soon you will say "I now collect Safari" lol!

The figure seriously reminds me of their Gigantosaurus and Cryolophosaurus and the tripod pose bugs me.
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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Sun Sep 02, 2012 7:39 pm

What a Face Laughing Laughing Laughing

A question, - what is wrong with the tail touching the ground ?
I suppose they did that sometimes...like kangaroos ? Or am I completely wrong ? scratch

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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:05 pm

Completely wrong! :) it's like a human touching the ground with his hands! No model in that pose can be considered accurate

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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:27 pm

SUSANNE wrote:
TugaHunter wrote:
Wow, that's amazing, I must have that one!

Me too bounce bounce
It looks fantastic....ohhh, no Shocked I don`t collect Safari silent tongue scratch

I dont collect Safari Either hahahha

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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:33 pm

Menphis wrote:
SUSANNE wrote:
TugaHunter wrote:
Wow, that's amazing, I must have that one!

Me too bounce bounce
It looks fantastic....ohhh, no Shocked I don`t collect Safari silent tongue scratch

I dont collect Safari Either hahahha
neither do i but still.... Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:39 pm

The tip of the tail can touch the ground, provided the torso is raised at an angle - think of the back and tail as an unbroken line, with no kinks and very little up/down flexion. However, in order to accomplish this the animal would need to assume a pose that would be very uncomfortable indeed, with legs extended and head unnaturally high. The dinosaur wouldn't be able to balance like that without a support, and the tail wouldn't be strong enough to prop it up.
Still, I see tripodism as a forgivable flaw - or artistic licence if you prefer. If the alternative is overly huge feet or models with bases (something I love, but I know it's bad for playability), I'd rather have tripods. Just as long as the tails aren't dragging!

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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:04 pm

K907 wrote:
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I HAVE to stop somewhere Suspect
I have almost all Schleich, Bullyland, Reisler, Papo, Mojo and heaps of others.
My house is filled with plastic toys, - but I am not very successfull, - my collection of Safari grows and grows Embarassed geek

Lol pretty soon you will say "I now collect Safari" lol!

The figure seriously reminds me of their Gigantosaurus and Cryolophosaurus and the tripod pose bugs me.

Okay so it isn't just me then. As soon as I saw it, I thought of the Cryolophosaurus.

And regarding 'the balancing act' - isn't there a way they can make these things accurately with a natural pose without them falling over? Tails are meant for balancing in real life so why not take the hint from nature and put some sort of weight in the tails of the figures to keep them on their feet without compromising the pose/ sculpt?

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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:31 pm

Menphis wrote:
SUSANNE wrote:
TugaHunter wrote:
Wow, that's amazing, I must have that one!

Me too bounce bounce
It looks fantastic....ohhh, no Shocked I don`t collect Safari silent tongue scratch

I dont collect Safari Either hahahha

nor do i because i only have the jaguar and i dont see any safari ltd around here only schleich and papo are were i am
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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:11 am

I admire your willpower. Safari produces such beautiful models that I would not be without them. They are not available in Czech Republic so I have to use e-shops and it's quite complicated, but without them? Nope... I can´t do it :) :) :) :)

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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:05 pm

Very beautiful this art cover, Roger. We will have a great surprise with african animals too!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:31 pm

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Completely wrong! :) it's like a human touching the ground with his hands! No model in that pose can be considered accurate

Mihnea, I must confess that I do sometimes touch the ground by my hands. Am I completely inaccurate? Shocked scratch geek affraid Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:57 pm

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I dont collect Safari Either hahahha


Miguel has ALL the Carnegie dinoes lol! lol! lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:04 pm

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Miguel has ALL the Carnegie dinoes lol! lol! lol!

Concavenator is a spanish dino, yuhuuuuu lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:14 pm

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Completely wrong! :) it's like a human touching the ground with his hands! No model in that pose can be considered accurate

Mihnea, I must confess that I do sometimes touch the ground by my hands. Am I completely inaccurate? Shocked scratch geek affraid Wink
While walking? Yes.
Also: wow. Surprised Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:25 pm

Menphis wrote:
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Miguel has ALL the Carnegie dinoes lol! lol! lol!

Concavenator is a spanish dino, yuhuuuuu lol!

I know another Spanish dinosaur even more known than el cazador de Cuenca, or Cuencavenator, it is known for hunting elephants but I can't remember his name, could it be JuanCarlos-Rex? scratch scratch affraid king

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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:02 pm

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ana wrote:
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Completely wrong! :) it's like a human touching the ground with his hands! No model in that pose can be considered accurate

Mihnea, I must confess that I do sometimes touch the ground by my hands. Am I completely inaccurate? Shocked scratch geek affraid Wink
While walking? Yes.
Also: wow. Surprised Laughing

Thanks Sumo, now I discovered that others don't do it indeed scratch study Oh my, then I'm different affraid pale silent

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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:20 pm

... and I'm wondering whether you're very flexible or if your arms are extremely long. Me, I'm so stiff I can barely touch my knees while standing up - never mind the ground! Embarassed

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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:25 pm

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... and I'm wondering whether you're very flexible or if your arms are extremely long. Me, I'm so stiff I can barely touch my knees while standing up - never mind the ground! Embarassed


Obviously my arms are longer, I checked today, twice as long as as my husband's arms Shocked He never considered it strange but after we checked it......... oh well, I hope he will not think that I'm ugly Shocked No pale geek

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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:52 pm

All the better to reach those high shelves! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:39 am

Roger wrote:
Menphis wrote:
SUSANNE wrote:
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I dont collect Safari Either hahahha


Miguel has ALL the Carnegie dinoes lol! lol! lol!

Concavenator is a spanish dino, yuhuuuuu lol!

I know another Spanish dinosaur even more known than el cazador de Cuenca, or Cuencavenator, it is known for hunting elephants but I can't remember his name, could it be JuanCarlos-Rex? scratch scratch affraid king

hahahaha
Juancarsaurius proboscideosraptor lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:45 am

I love the concavenator from collecta
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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:37 am

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... and I'm wondering whether you're very flexible or if your arms are extremely long. Me, I'm so stiff I can barely touch my knees while standing up - never mind the ground! Embarassed


Obviously my arms are longer, I checked today, twice as long as as my husband's arms Shocked He never considered it strange but after we checked it......... oh well, I hope he will not think that I'm ugly Shocked No pale geek

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Ana, is not a surprise that I can also walk with my hands touching the floor, but because your lovely craziness I also decided to check my arms, I am surprised how short they are, my left arm is as short as my right arm... I also never considered it before... :scratch... I hope my wife will not think I'm boringly symmetrical! affraid geek Wink


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I love the concavenator from collecta

Miguel, I don't collect dinosaurs but I also love CollectA concavenator and thanks for remembering the name of the other famous Spanish dino! Laughing king

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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:34 am

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hahahaha
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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:43 am

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I love the concavenator from collecta

COLLECTA has a better pose but CARNEGIE seems better finished. It's the curse of CARNEGIE, a Serious work on model accuracy counterbalanced by an absolutely inaccurate tripod pose. I would like CARNEGIE would help COLLECTA to make more accurate dinos and COLLECTA would help CARNEGIE to make bipedal standing dinos Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:04 am

The pose is not absolutely inaccurate. If a theropod with a long tail like that were to rear upwards, its tail would naturally angle down towards the ground, where the tail tip would touch. Like someone else said, that pose would probably be uncomfortable and the dinosaur would not be able to hold it, but its certainly possible and therefor not inaccurate.

I will always love tripod over biped. Bipeds are often given ugly oversized feet to help them stand. Sometimes the figure won't stand anyway due to the legs being warped, which happens very easily. Bipeds are also not very nice from a play-perspective. A biped will not stand up on carpet even if it is very stable on a flat surface. Tripods on the other hand, will usually stand even if the legs are warped. They will stand on carpets, uneven surfaces, and non-level surfaces, which even the most well-made bipeds cannot do. Unlike a biped, they wont topple over at the slightest bump. My bipeds are always falling and knocking over the dinosaurs next to them. The few bipeds I own will live out most of their life laying on their sides, or leaning against a quadruped so they don't fall over and hurt themselves or others.

Regarding the concav, I wrote this on DTF: "I think the concav is beautiful, and I dont mind the tripod stance, but I am now officially VERY tired of that overall pose: standing still, head lifted, tilted to one side, mouth gaping. Why not try closing the mouth? Putting the head down? Changing the position of the legs?"

Regarding the concav's tripod stance, I personally prefer tripods the way battat made them, by bending the end of the tail sharply down. I know THIS was inaccurate in real dinosaurs unless the tail was broken, but it allows the toy dinosaur to resume a more natural horizontal body position. If the bent tail is enough of a problem for someone, they can easy straiten it with hot water. Oversized feet (like with the safari acro) or oddly angled bodies (like with this carnegie concav) are both difficult or impossible to fix.
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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:42 pm

I think it looks fantastic! I don't mind the pose at all...I can't stand oversized feet Mad

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PostSubject: Re: Preview of 2013 Carnegie Concavenator   Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:29 pm

If you thibk the posture is not accurate, you have to remember that toy manufacturers do it for BALANCE purposes.
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