CollectA 2012: Black Wildebeest (White Tailed-Gnu) Official Photo

Schleichzoo wrote:

MartinH wrote:

What are you guys talking about????? This pose is perfectly normal for black gnu... walking or running... this is normal pose and i love it!! I don´t see horse in it at all!

I agree with Martin but I also see what Roger means. What he is essentially saying is that the trotting style of the Gnu has been done before but in horses so as soon as you see the Gnu you can think of Horse models in a similar pose. I see what you mean Roger but I promise you this was not designed or has nothing to do with Deborah - she only designs the horses for CollectA. The pose was taken from a photo and some drawings of a Gnu.

Also I realise something, the photo of the wildebeest and capy are of the prototypes and these are more detailed. A little of this detail is lost once the commercial plastic model is made so please be aware of that. Even though many CollectA models have been finalised some of them have not had their plastic versions created yet like the Giraffe and Okapi. Will keep you posted.

Anyway it is great to see all of us chatting, sharing and debating! Not every figure will be pleasing to everyone and we can all pick out negatives and faults but that is fine - we just want the best and CollectA is taking note.

I cant wait to get this Gnu! I want ten in my collection! lol

Numaan, you are a clever man and I apreciate it! CollectA is improving a lot with your colaboration and also all collectors!
It's always wise to hear all the comments mainly when a "guy" make it in a polite way like I do; :)
If it was a Deborah's work it was nothing wrong in it. My last and short comment about the pose is:
Gnus don't walk or run like horses!
Be careful with draws but even with the drama touch I'll buy surely the figure!

Roger wrote:

Christophe, of course you cannot find easily a picture of a black gnu in this pose, that's the reason why I'm saying it is not natural!

Some non natural gnus

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Roger wrote:

For example, we agree that the Papo crocodile is full of personality but the pose is impossible.
In my point of view a figure only is full of personality when it has the correct personality, a macaque with croc personality doesn't work as well as a crocodile with macaque personality! ;)Have you got my idea?

I agree the PAPO croc is as false as the PAPO Komodo dragon

Kikimalou wrote:

Roger wrote:

Christophe, of course you cannot find easily a picture of a black gnu in this pose, that's the reason why I'm saying it is not natural!

Some non natural gnus

Hey some of these photos are really nice. I dont know why but i love Black Wildebeest, there is something mysterious about them. I think because their faces are always hidden behind their bears and horns so cannot really see their facial expressions. Love them.

And yes Roger you are a very nice and polite guy so keep talking from the heart, no worries! :-)

OK I see discussion is really very interesting Roger I understand that this antelope may look too graceul but the way it's running looks correct. I also think white tailed gnus move like horses. Actually horses may run in several different gaits and I think only the gait typical for hares and rabbit is not in use in that specie (from 4 legged animals of course ). And even on photo which You send gnus running like horses-gallop or canter, just they are all in different phase than the CollectA one. I think this picture shows nice gallop with all it's phases, You can easily find the phase which is on on the photo from the savanna:
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I marked certain phases in different colors, so You can find each phase on pictures :

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Roger, I think it's great that You like talk about figures, I think it's good and it's always good reason to talk about animals. I hope You don't mind my 2 cents in this discussion

Of course I don't mind, Ana! I love it, mainly when made in a coerent way as you are doing. Very interesting imput! It is interesting seeing people that don't agree with me because don't see nothing like a horse in that figure and people showing me that gnus moves like horses! Hard to understand. I don't see any picture with a graceful movement as in the figure, only the legs in the same pose. I saw the pictures of the CollectA black gnu even before being posted here and I studied carefully the usual movement of the species. As I told before it is not an impossible pose but an unusual pose. I'm clever enough to see what all of you mean and I'll accept that a window is not a door even we can run away from it! :)

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Isn't this one more graceful than yours?

Thank You for the kind answer Roger!

Roger wrote:

I don't see any picture with a graceful movement as in the figure, only the legs in the same pose.

I thought You meant pose of legs and that was why I searched examples. If not the gait (leg positions?) You meant then maybe neck and head? I think neck could be in lower position and head bigger to make it look more typical. Was that what You mean? :)

Roger wrote:

I saw the pictures of the CollectA black gnu even before being posted here and I studied carefully the usual movement of the species. As I told before it is not an impossible pose but an unusual pose.

OK :) I think I start to understand Then what would You change in the pose of the figure? I'm asking just because I'm curious

Roger wrote:

Very interesting imput! It is interesting seeing people that don't agree with me because don't see nothing like a horse in that figure and people showing me that gnus moves like horses!.

ana wrote:

Thank You for the kind answer Roger!

Roger wrote:

I don't see any picture with a graceful movement as in the figure, only the legs in the same pose.

I thought You meant pose of legs and that was why I searched examples. If not the gait (leg positions?) You meant then maybe neck and head? I think neck could be in lower position and head bigger to make it look more typical. Was that what You mean? :)

Roger wrote:

I saw the pictures of the CollectA black gnu even before being posted here and I studied carefully the usual movement of the species. As I told before it is not an impossible pose but an unusual pose.

OK :) I think I start to understand Then what would You change in the pose of the figure? I'm asking just because I'm curious

Roger wrote:

Very interesting imput! It is interesting seeing people that don't agree with me because don't see nothing like a horse in that figure and people showing me that gnus moves like horses!.

Anna, you are a talented artist and you know that a pose is much more than the position of legs! I also can put my harms and legs n a quadrupedal pose like this gnu but it is not the same thing.
Unfortunately my wife is saying that I'm silly and don't want to take a picture of myself!
Christophe helped me a lot with his pictures. You see that the gnus running have a very heavy balance. They project the heavy mass of the front towards the floor and the back only follows the movement, sometimes with the two back legs paralel and sometimes spreed but always as a consequence of the strong movement and not of a graceful and coordinate walking. The plastic figure looks very light, almost flying like a pegasus! That's a beautiful effect, I agree! Of course a bigger head and in a lower position would contribute to this impression, also maybe a more massive body and maybe shorter legs! But it is very hard to see from only an angle.

Roger wrote:

Anna, you are a talented artist and you know that a pose is much more than the position of legs! I also can put my harms and legs n a quadrupedal pose like this gnu but it is not the same thing.
Unfortunately my wife is saying that I'm silly and don't want to take a picture of myself!
Christophe helped me a lot with his pictures. You see that the gnus running have a very heavy balance. They project the heavy mass of the front towards the floor and the back only follows the movement, sometimes with the two back legs paralel and sometimes spreed but always as a consequence of the strong movement and not of a graceful and coordinate walking. The plastic figure looks very light, almost flying like a pegasus! That's a beautiful effect, I agree! Of course a bigger head and in a lower position would contribute to this impression, also maybe a more massive body and maybe shorter legs! But it is very hard to see from only an angle.

Ok, I agree with that Roger, I also think it would be nice to see more "weight" in that figure Earlier I didn't agree because I just didn't know what You meant
But why Your wife didn't want to take this photo of You, it would be so great to see that

ana wrote:

Roger wrote:

Anna, you are a talented artist and you know that a pose is much more than the position of legs! I also can put my harms and legs n a quadrupedal pose like this gnu but it is not the same thing.
Unfortunately my wife is saying that I'm silly and don't want to take a picture of myself!
Christophe helped me a lot with his pictures. You see that the gnus running have a very heavy balance. They project the heavy mass of the front towards the floor and the back only follows the movement, sometimes with the two back legs paralel and sometimes spreed but always as a consequence of the strong movement and not of a graceful and coordinate walking. The plastic figure looks very light, almost flying like a pegasus! That's a beautiful effect, I agree! Of course a bigger head and in a lower position would contribute to this impression, also maybe a more massive body and maybe shorter legs! But it is very hard to see from only an angle.

Ok, I agree with that Roger, I also think it would be nice to see more "weight" in that figure Earlier I didn't agree because I just didn't know what You meant
But why Your wife didn't want to take this photo of You, it would be so great to see that

I'll try again!
My old and wonderful wise haunt is always saying, never discuss with a priest about religion!
It means, never discuss with Anna about horses!
or... ... never discuss with a crocodile about gnus!

great debate!

about the debate:I agree to Joan's Post.
No matter how perfectly sculpted a figurine is, a weird move or some wrong details and suddenly the whole impressive naturalness is reduced.
In my opinion, the move may be correct, bu to me it's a gnu startng with tha move, not already running for a while as it should be to act like that.
But another opinion:
with such horns sculpted, Collecta should be the brand to do the next an best wisent!
Please!

Roger wrote:

Christophe helped me a lot with his pictures.

Roger, seriously, look at this movie and you will really see how a Black wildebeest move. I guess it will help

Kikimalou wrote:

Roger wrote:

Christophe helped me a lot with his pictures.

Roger, seriously, look at this movie and you will really see how a Black wildebeest move. I guess it will help

Thanks Christophe but I'm afraid I'm not geting your idea?

Roger wrote:

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I'll try again!
My old and wonderful wise haunt is always saying, never discuss with a priest about religion!
It means, never discuss with Anna about horses!
or... ... never discuss with a crocodile about gnus!

Very wise aunt indeed But she forgotten to say:" it's always good and funny to see a crocodile doing his best to look like white tailed gnu"

Look at the way those wildebeest move in the background isn't it incredible

Roger wrote:

Thanks Christophe but I'm afraid I'm not geting your idea?

Cray french macaque is back

ana wrote:

Roger wrote:

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I'll try again!
My old and wonderful wise haunt is always saying, never discuss with a priest about religion!
It means, never discuss with Anna about horses!
or... ... never discuss with a crocodile about gnus!

Very wise aunt indeed But she forgotten to say:" it's always good and funny to see a crocodile doing his best to look like white tailed gnu"

...a little correction, like the CollectA white tailed gnu, what means... like a horse!

[quote="Kikimalou"]Look at the way those wildebeest move in the background isn't it incredible

It's not the best video to watch a black gnu, I can send you loads of them! What is our crazy macaque seeing that looks incredible? Now I'm curious!

It's getting more and more complicated
But I also love these moving black dots in the background

Roger, what is incredible is... Nothing happen in this movie, the gazelles are moving slowly in the savannah, then the gazelles are moving slowly ... And far away in the background, two small and insignificant white-tailed gnus are running against each other, like people who are making faces behind the "Great reporter" on tv news. This movie is incredible

Kikimalou wrote:

Roger, what is incredible is... Nothing happen in this movie, the gazelles are moving slowly in the savannah, then the gazelles are moving slowly ... And far away in the background, two small and insignificant white-tailed gnus are running against each other, like people who are making faces behind the "Great reporter" on tv news. This movie is incredible

I thought they were playing very friendly to exercise and get stronger and stronger like to players of the same team talking about the best way to score a goal!

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ana wrote:

It's getting more and more complicated
But I also love these moving black dots in the background

The most artistic part of this figure, is the base of the horns. Like the texture.

I'm buying this one for sure.