Mojo 2013 Mountain Lion - first pictures!!!

Roger wrote:

... as it is not a problem of accepting that Papo puma and lynx are better than Papo's. Anyway you can put your input in MOJO FB, I'm sure someone will read your opinion. :)

Thanks for your reply, Roger. You certainly means "Mojo puma and lynx..." I agree with You regarding the lynx (I don´t count lynx as big cat and furthermore it is one of the older Papo models) but not the puma (from the reasons I wrote in my previous post).

I am sorry I have no FB profile (I don´t believe in FB).

jarda wrote:

Roger wrote:

... as it is not a problem of accepting that Papo puma and lynx are better than Papo's. Anyway you can put your input in MOJO FB, I'm sure someone will read your opinion. :)

Thanks for your reply, Roger. You certainly means "Mojo puma and lynx..." I agree with You regarding the lynx (I don´t count lynx as big cat and furthermore it is one of the older Papo models) but not the puma (from the reasons I wrote in my previous post).

I am sorry I have no FB profile (I don´t believe in FB).

Yes, I mean Mojo's! ...and of course a lynx is not a big cat. :)
Well, about FB we agree completly although I ahve a discret profile. But you can always put your imput here or pm me, it will be a pleasure to share your opinions with the brand.

Roger wrote:

Defteros wrote:

I'm sorry but this puma looks awful, the head lacks the characteristc round shape and the rear legs should be longer and more muscular, which is another characteristic of this cat. There are tons of pictures of pumas, I don't get why it has such big inaccuracies.
Look at Papo's puma, that has accurate proportions.

You don't have to feel sorry. It is nice when a member takes his precious time to see what is wrong in a figure. I appreciate it.
Although I had the chance of measuring all the proportions and you it made me remember why I like so much Mojo figures. There's no exagerations or caricatural styles according with waves or fashions. Have you noticed the harmony of the several elements of the figure or how they walk elegantly with the legs under the body and that they are not spreed but axially in line with the body?
About measurements, Mojo figure has back legs longer than front legs and curiously Papo has them roughly of the same size, notice that Papo figure has front legs very spreed what makes them look shorter. Also Mojo represents a young female so an exagerated muscular expression doesn't makes sense.
I know many people also love the Papo lion with its large head and exagerated muscles but it doens't mean accuracy. But I also like Papo puma although there's no harmony between elements, compare head and paws ratio with a real one.
Like you, I was a boy from Ninja turtles and Power Rangers generation so I also have a tendency to like muscular exagerations but as a good Mexican you are you know that not every large hats are sombreros!

Actually, the puma is animal I'm familiar with, I've sculpted some before. So yeah I've watched tons of pictures and spent time watching them in the zoo too, but whatever. Only thing I can say to you is: compare the figure with the real animal. And by the way I don't like muscular exagerations, and only mariachis wear sombreros in Mexico, and their pretty rare.

[quote="Defteros"][quote="Roger"]

Defteros wrote:

Actually, the puma is animal I'm familiar with, I've sculpted some before. So yeah I've watched tons of pictures and spent time watching them in the zoo too, but whatever. Only thing I can say to you is: compare the figure with the real animal. And by the way I don't like muscular exagerations, and only mariachis wear sombreros in Mexico, and their pretty rare.

Well, you are supposing that I made my judgement without seeing pictures of real animals! I don't really know why but I watch them, read a lot about them and their specificities and also search for measurments and so. But now what is really important for me is that you sculpted yourself some mountain lions, I'm really curious about it, can you show some pictures? There's no mass produced animal more important for me than a custom of a STS member. Where can I see it?

[quote="Roger"][quote="Defteros"]

Roger wrote:

Defteros wrote:

Actually, the puma is animal I'm familiar with, I've sculpted some before. So yeah I've watched tons of pictures and spent time watching them in the zoo too, but whatever. Only thing I can say to you is: compare the figure with the real animal. And by the way I don't like muscular exagerations, and only mariachis wear sombreros in Mexico, and their pretty rare.

Well, you are supposing that I made my judgement without seeing pictures of real animals! I don't really know why but I watch them, read a lot about them and their specificities and also search for measurments and so. But now what is really important for me is that you sculpted yourself some mountain lions, I'm really curious about it, can you show some pictures? There's no mass produced animal more important for me than a custom of a STS member. Where can I see it?

I sold those sculpts long time ago, they were comissions, but once I have some free time I'll make another to show you.

Defteros wrote:

I sold those sculpts long time ago, they were comissions, but once I have some free time I'll make another to show you.

If you have the chance I'd loved to see it as well as other works from you.

Roger wrote:

Defteros wrote:

I sold those sculpts long time ago, they were comissions, but once I have some free time I'll make another to show you.

If you have the chance I'd loved to see it as well as other works from you.

me too!!

I have to say that this is one FINE looking Puma!!!! It does a nice job representing a young female. I'm excited to get my hands on it! You say it'll be available in September exclusively at Hobby Lobby??? That's AWESOME! I have a Hobby Lobby in town!

Papo's Puma is very nice as well. Both figures' proportions are well within normal limits for this species, so I have no problems with it. The Schleich - long retired now - was an absolutely beautiful sculpt, but lacked accuracy in many, many ways. Still, I love it. Safari's (Wild Safari) Cougar is also a very realistic sculpt, and I have no problems with the paint job on it (it's pretty simple, really). It looks like Mojo's will be perfectly in scale with Safari's. As a matter of fact, Safari's Cougar is an excellent example of a healthy, North American Cougar (scale approximately 1:15), while the Mojo 2013 figure looks like it will make a very nice representative of a South American Puma (again, scale approx. 1:15). For those interested, Mojo's Iberian Lynx is also 1:15 scale, as is CollectA's 2012 Eurasian Lynx! We're getting a nice selection of 1:15 felines at 1:15 scale:

- Iriomote Cat (Prionailurus bengalensis iriomotensis) - Colorata Wild Cats 2004 (1:14 - 1:18)
- Tsushima Leopard Cat (Prionailurus bengalensis euptilurus) - Kaiyodo Animatales (1:15)
- Cheetah (Acinonyx jubatus) - Papo
- Cheetah (Acinonyx jubatus) - Schleich (1:15 - 1:18)
- Cheetah female (Acinonyx jubatus) - Schleich 2010 (1:15 - 1:18)
- Puma (Puma concolor) - Schleich (1:14 - 1:17)
- Puma (Puma concolor) - Wild Safari (1:12 - 1:15)
- Eurasian Lynx (Lynx lynx) - CollectA 2012 (1:13 - 1:17)
- Iberian Lynx (Lynx pardinus) - Mojo 2012
- Ocelot (Leopardus pardalis) - Colorata Wild Cats 2004 (1:14 - 1:23)
- Caracal (Caracal caracal) - PlayVisions (1:14 - 1:17)
- Serval (Leptailurus serval) - Colorata Wild Cats 2004 (1:13 - 1:21)
- Lion (Panthera leo) - Wild Safari 2011 (1:14 - 1:16)
- Lioness (Panthera leo) - Wild Safari 2009 (1:14 - 1:16)
- Jaguar (Panthera onca) - Schleich (1:14 - 1:16)
- Jaguar (Panthera onca) - Wild Safari 2006 (1:13 - 1:15)
- Leopard (Panthera pardus) - Papo (1:11 - 1:20)
- Leopard (Panthera pardus) - Mojo 2011 (1:11 - 1:20)
- Leopard (Panthera pardus) - Schleich (1:10 - 1:18)
- Black Leopard (Panthera pardus) - Papo (1:11 - 1:20)
- Black Leopard (Panthera pardus) - Mojo 2011 (1:11 - 1:20)
- Bengal Tiger (Panthera tigris tigris) - Wild Safari 2007 (1:15 - 1:17)
- Bengal Tigress (Panthera tigris tigris) - Wild Safari 2007 (1:15 - 1:17)
- White Tiger (Panthera tigris tigris) - Wild Safari 2007 (1:15 - 1:17)
- White Tigress (Panthera tigris tigris) - Wild Safari 2007 (1:15 - 1:17)
- Snow Leopard (Panthera uncia) - Wild Safari (1:11 - 1:15)

So it looks like we'll be adding at least another Puma to this growing list next year

sphyrna18 wrote:

So it looks like we'll be adding at least another Puma to this growing list next year

Very interesting Chad! Thanks a lot! Yes, Mojo and Safari work most of their figures in 1:15 scale. We can find lots of them even in other not feline figures.
Yes, the info I have is that it will be available in Hobby Lobby what means that you'll probably find it very soon in your town.
Don't forget to show if you find it once this one is a preview production figure. The hard part of your comment is that I miss a lot very nice and exciting figures!

HKHollinstone wrote:

Roger wrote:

Defteros wrote:

I sold those sculpts long time ago, they were comissions, but once I have some free time I'll make another to show you.

If you have the chance I'd loved to see it as well as other works from you.

me too!!

Not bad, but not great, is the best way I can describe it, with out really seeing a walk around. Personally, I wouldn't buy it.

baltimore zoo wrote:

Not bad, but not great, is the best way I can describe it, with out really seeing a walk around. Personally, I wouldn't buy it.

From you that's a very positive comment for a non Papo figure! :)
I'm glad you are already accepting other brands in your collection and I'm sure soon or later we will see in Mojo a figure with warrior or creepy style to match your taste. I know that you don't like the serenety patented in Mojo figures. As you say, it is a question of style.
I personally enjoy the serene style of Papo chamois.

i looked this thread over and i must say,,

IT'S a GREAT PUMA,COUGAR,mountain lion

it has also possibilleties to become a costom sabertooth
when i look in Roberts brain

Martien

What a great cougar---very realistic looking.

"From you that's a very positive comment for a non Papo figure!
I'm glad you are already accepting other brands in your collection and I'm sure soon or later we will see in Mojo a figure with warrior or creepy style to match your taste. I know that you don't like the serenety patented in Mojo figures. As you say, it is a question of style.
I personally enjoy the serene style of Papo chamois."

Roger, First of all, I have given many positive comments for non Papo figures(Don't you read what I write? Ex: Love Safari WW series, Enjoy Collect A Striped Hyenas, even some of Schleich(Grazing zebra, Orang, and Gladiator's Hyena). Plus, as a Papo collector, because I was disappointed in this years assortment, I didn't buy any!
I have always accepted other brands(Britains, Safari, CollectA, & Schleich) since I own figures from those brands. Don't understand why you would say something like that? As for now, I will have to wait to see how Mojo evolves as a company, to see whether I will purchase any in the future(As I said, I do like their White rhino, just wish they ha made it a little larger, and I'd like to see a walk around of Killer Whale, because I think that's a nice figure as well).
Yes, it's a matter of style and what we like, but I must say, I don't criticize or insult anyone for collecting whatever figures/figure lines they like. To be nasty and say in your own words "Mojo a figure with warrior or creepy style to match your taste" is not right. I thought this forum was about enjoying the hobby of collecting and supporting others view points? Very disappointed in your comments.

baltimore zoo wrote:

"From you that's a very positive comment for a non Papo figure!
I'm glad you are already accepting other brands in your collection and I'm sure soon or later we will see in Mojo a figure with warrior or creepy style to match your taste. I know that you don't like the serenety patented in Mojo figures. As you say, it is a question of style.
I personally enjoy the serene style of Papo chamois."

Roger, First of all, I have given many positive comments for non Papo figures(Don't you read what I write? Ex: Love Safari WW series, Enjoy Collect A Striped Hyenas, even some of Schleich(Grazing zebra, Orang, and Gladiator's Hyena). Plus, as a Papo collector, because I was disappointed in this years assortment, I didn't buy any!
I have always accepted other brands(Britains, Safari, CollectA, & Schleich) since I own figures from those brands. Don't understand why you would say something like that? As for now, I will have to wait to see how Mojo evolves as a company, to see whether I will purchase any in the future(As I said, I do like their White rhino, just wish they ha made it a little larger, and I'd like to see a walk around of Killer Whale, because I think that's a nice figure as well).
Yes, it's a matter of style and what we like, but I must say, I don't criticize or insult anyone for collecting whatever figures/figure lines they like. To be nasty and say in your own words "Mojo a figure with warrior or creepy style to match your taste" is not right. I thought this forum was about enjoying the hobby of collecting and supporting others view points? Very disappointed in your comments.

Balty! It is not hard for me to say sorry when I'm wrong but reading again my comment I don't see anything wrong in it.
I like myself figures with warrior style and also figures of creepy creatures. so how it was possible to ofend someone with something that I also like??
If you feel ofended it is because you don't feel confortable with your own tastes.
I read carefully your comments, I'm not sure if you read your own comments. I remember your several wishes, from the 3 Papo zebras in slightly different poses to make herds and feed lions and other big cats in hunting poses, as the charging large elephant bull to place near a river full of crocodiles to the fantastic suggestion of a charging and brutal yak.
Isn't it a warrior style?
About your last sentence in a first moment I was tempted to think that it was directed towards me. Anyway you are clever enough to not make such an unfair comment and I concluded that it was only an exercise of self-criticism, a very useful and egocentric tool to fight the excessive egocentrism.
It is not the first time I try to show you something that I think would please you and obtain an unpolite and personal comment from you.
So, why do I insist?
First because I have the bad habit of helping even when it is not appreciated. Then because you will never disappoint me!

R,
Warrior style fine (Even though I never saw it as that, I guess that is one way of perceiving it), but I guess creepy has a different connotation for you (Creepy is negative in that response. When told you have creepy taste, thats not flattering). I remember saying about zebras in different positions, but don't recall saying lions in hunting/stalk positions(For the record, have preferred lying/resting big cats all along) or charging elephant(Prefer standing/walking position). Didn't realize that Mojo's figures are made to be serene(I'm thinking you use the word serene to describe the body position of the figure(I actually prefer "serene" standing, lying, resting, as well which yes, is serene, I would just call it more of a non-action). Yes,it would have been cool to see Papo yak in the "charging"/ "brutal" position(Even though I prefer standing. resting. lying position ie: "serene"), only because so similar to Schleich yak (just facing the other direction). The photo I referred to, could have been made into a nice figure, instead of the one Papo made, because it was different(Wouldn't have minded yak resting on all fours either, just so that it was different than the Schleich). Had support from forum collectors agreeing. So technically Mojo African dog, could be in "charging"/ "brutal(As you call it) position? I just see it as trotting/pacing etc.. So maybe a little bit of language barrier and each other's perception, that's completely understandable. I try to be more straight forward in my responses(If anything I totally changed my style of commenting, being my first ever forum I am active in, and when started, didn't fully understand the proper etiquette).
I totally appreciate(And everyone else on the forum) you showing me that Mojo Mountain lion (Thought my comments were pretty indifferent about it, compared to some other collectors' negative/positive comments), Perhaps after seeing a walk around of the final figure, will change my opinion. As I said, I totally would have bought Mojo White rhino(great figure), had it just been a bit larger( Looks like companies make the larger animals(Elephants, hippos, rhinos) in scale to each other, instead of to the their other animals(Remember, I love the fact that Britain's made their zoo animals in relative scale(Because I know perfect scale is tough to accurately do), so that's my gold standard. I'm comfortable with my own tastes, just not referred to as negatively as creepy (That's why you may seem it was directed at you in that matter). Sincerely, let me know my other impolite responses to you in regards to assisting me, because I would never want it to be like that.

baltimore zoo wrote:

I'm comfortable with my own tastes, just not referred to as negatively as creepy (That's why you may seem it was directed at you in that matter). Sincerely, let me know my other impolite responses to you in regards to assisting me, because I would never want it to be like that.

OK B! I didn't know creepy was a word with such negative connotation. Anyway I was not talking about creepy taste but creepy creatures. I'm using the word to talk about animals that look scary in common sense. Those that donnot obtain interest from the supporters of preservation Institutes.
Anyway I'll not use this word once it doesn't mean scary but something that I really don't know.
The language is always a barrier when we extract from others words the most negative sense and it happens even when 2 persons speak perfectly the same language what is not the case.
Anyway I'll not apologize with my poor English as well as you won't appologize with your disconfort with my comments.
I enjoy and agree with several of your thoughts and try to discuss friendly some ideas with you but I don't want to charge the members of the forum anymore with these sterile conversations.
But remember a little point, I'm not Mojo, I'm only R!

Apology well accepted! Thanks!

really nice model :)

Thanks again Martien, Shawn and Martin!

STORMnl wrote:

i looked this thread over and i must say,,

IT'S a GREAT PUMA,COUGAR,mountain lion

it has also possibilleties to become a costom sabertooth
when i look in Roberts brain

Martien

My friend, you are dreaming with sabertooth cats!
Well, I don't know all the species but for a smilodon, that is probably what Robert made, the mould of this puma is not very good.
Look below the body shape of these 2 nicely shaped cats.

Mojo smilodon and mountain lion

Smilodons and most sabertooth cats were massive almost like bears and not elegant like most modern felids.
Using this mould would result in a huge mistake as the Papo smilodon is.

haha

you never know what robert can make of it

maybey another prehistoric cat
as long as it has long teeth

haha,,but youre right roger
as a smilodon it's to elegant

Martien

ps

did james send you the original model?
oh man i hope he wil send me an original prehistoric mammal

STORMnl wrote:

haha

you never know what robert can make of it

maybey another prehistoric cat
as long as it has long teeth

haha,,but youre right roger
as a smilodon it's to elegant

Martien

ps

did james send you the original model?
oh man i hope he wil send me an original prehistoric mammal

I believe Robert would give a rich diet to the figure but I have another idea for you but with smaller teeth.
Do you have an American cheetah????

This draw belongs to PleistoProject

James gives me some preproduction figures, not the original sculpting. This one usually get destroyed after making the mould, I guess.
That's the reason why the figures I show are somewaht different from final production. The Iberian lynx, fortunately, has a better painting than the one I presented.
Mojo will release more prehistoric animals very soon, who knows you win a preproduction sample?

yes i know the american cheetah
it's a cool cat and looks at the cougar

about the preproduction fugures

that would be a amazing collectors item
like the cork mammoth i got from Susanne
(i sleep with it)

Roger wrote:

James gives me some preproduction figures, not the original sculpting. This one usually get destroyed after making the mould, I guess.

I do have prototypes of Mojo horses and they survived, were not destroyed during mold production process. I think it depend of sculpting material. As we could see on short movie about Bullyland figures their sculptor work in wax. No wonder it's easy to damage during production. But if the prototype is made of harder material then it shall survive the process of making silicone mold, and for other molds resin copies could be used, no problem