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PostSubject: Re: Brand Identification topic   Brand Identification topic - Page 33 EmptyThu Mar 09, 2023 6:16 pm

Because it is from Clairet Roger! Very Happy
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They are? Now I am even more confused. I thought that they were by Cofalu. Or did Clairet make models for Cofalu?

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PostSubject: Re: Brand Identification topic   Brand Identification topic - Page 33 EmptyFri Mar 10, 2023 10:39 pm

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They are? Now I am even more confused. I thought that they were by Cofalu. Or did Clairet make models for Cofalu?

Cofalu bought the Clairet molds in the seventies and start selling them, they were less well painted than the originals and the plastic used as well as the care given to the finishes were of lower quality too.

Some models have also undergone some modifications to facilitate production. Hyena, Tapir and Cheetah ears have been changed.

In the case of the brown bear, even if part of the word Clairet is still visible, the paintwork is Cofalu style, the plastic doesn't make it possible to render all the details and nuances of a real Clairet. As for the burrs between the legs are unthinkable on a Clairet.

As for the Cofalu "really Cofalu", very few were original models, many were "very inspired" by Starlux
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Thanks, it makes sense now. Did Clairet sell their moulds when they went bankrupt, or already before that?

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PostSubject: Re: Brand Identification topic   Brand Identification topic - Page 33 EmptySun Mar 12, 2023 4:29 pm

François Clairet was still active in the early 80's but we were far from the great era (50's and 60's), the latest productions of toy soldiers were swoppets to reduce costs as in England. The quality had completely disappeared.
The adventure with Cofalu began in the 1970s, the brand produced the "Clairet" in painted hard plastic and also in monochrome flexible plastic.
For a long time in France, the figurines "bazaar toys" were produced in France, the Made in HK will appear later.
For the record, one of the two bird trees, attributed to Clairet, is not from the brand.
We see it appear on page 37 of Thomas and Trombetta's book dedicated to Clairet. The boxes shown in the two photos are not Clairet.
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Thank you, useful to know.

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PostSubject: Re: Brand Identification topic   Brand Identification topic - Page 33 EmptySun Mar 12, 2023 6:55 pm

Does anyone know which Chinese company made this black panther? It is marked CHINA.
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It's quite unique for a toob-sized figure because it has darker spots.

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I don't know but I love it!
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Nayab "jaguarundi" or a copy. :)
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PostSubject: Re: Brand Identification topic   Brand Identification topic - Page 33 EmptySun Mar 12, 2023 7:17 pm

Thank you! I was looking under black panthers in TAW and then didn't find it of course.

I noticed that the "Wild Republic Wildepedia North American Animals" page links to the same photo, but there it is listed as a panther.
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It is the Nayab model as Paige correctly identified. We don't know which animal Nayab intend to represent so it is known as a jaguarundi among collectors. These figures are used for whatever fits the mold. Wild Republic used to list this figure as a panther for their North American Wildepedia set which was composed of "repainted" Nayab figures. To avoid listing these "equal" figures unfinitely, we link to the Nayab model page. I wouldn't be surprised this version to be the Wild Republic one and representing a black jaguar because that's the only animal we can call panther in a North American set.
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Do jaguarundis have spots? I thought only young ones.

I suspect mine is a Nayab because it came in a lot with a few other Nayabs. Wild Republic is also rarer in the UK than Nayab.
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PostSubject: Re: Brand Identification topic   Brand Identification topic - Page 33 EmptyMon Mar 13, 2023 8:03 pm

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Do jaguarundis have spots? I thought only young ones.

I suspect mine is a Nayab because it came in a lot with a few other Nayabs. Wild Republic is also rarer in the UK than Nayab.

No, jaguarundis do not have spots, they have a uniform color and two main morphs, the red and the grey. Jaguarundi has always been an optimistic identification because most of the figures feature unusual small mammals but maybe the most correct identification to this model is black panther which works for a black leopard or a black jaguar. Those have spots even in their melanistic morphs and I think they're more noticiable in jaguars.Should I abandon the jaguarundi identification on TAW?

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Based on the spots, I'd say it is more likely a black panther. That would also be more consistent with how Wild Republic marketed it. Does anyone else have an opinion?

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PostSubject: Re: Brand Identification topic   Brand Identification topic - Page 33 EmptyMon Mar 13, 2023 9:50 pm

A little retrospective about this model.
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I'm kidding Jean-Luc, we all loved the jaguarundi suggestion and if we had assumed it as a black panther, we would never give the same importance to this model. Wink
The page on TAW was opened in 2015 by [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], our Julie with her picture. It was introduced as a jaguarundi and the filename also retains the jaguarundi name. It has never been changed all this time.
Though, it has been a collector based identification although We've never seen it sold as a jaguarundi. Sure the tail is long for a jaguarundi and the sculpt is not accurate for any of these species but it works nicely for all of them as a cheap tube sized figure. With rosets, it is a panther.

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What do we know about these? Marked on the base as “Collonil W. Germany”... And the comparison with another tiger, the same but unpainted, marked only with W. Germany...

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...And what about this type of zebu? French provenance and Starlux scale.

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PostSubject: Re: Brand Identification topic   Brand Identification topic - Page 33 EmptyThu Mar 16, 2023 11:25 am

The Collonil figures are premium models offered by the company, a German maker of shoe care products. They were manufactured by Jean Hoefler which is what your unpainted tiger is.

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The unpainted tiger, maarked W.Germany is by Jean Höfler
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I have never heard of Collonil, nor ever seen painted Höfler animal figures before.
But there are few mentions of Collonil online

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PostSubject: Re: Brand Identification topic   Brand Identification topic - Page 33 EmptyThu Mar 16, 2023 11:34 am

Roger wrote:
The Collonil figures are premium models offered by the company, a German maker of shoe care products. They were manufactured by Jean Hoefler  which is what your unpainted tiger is.

you just beat me to it, brother.

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Dutch Bear wrote:
Roger wrote:
The Collonil figures are premium models offered by the company, a German maker of shoe care products. They were manufactured by Jean Hoefler  which is what your unpainted tiger is.

you just beat me to it, brother.

Laughing Though, it is nice to see you providing information too.

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PostSubject: Re: Brand Identification topic   Brand Identification topic - Page 33 EmptyThu Mar 16, 2023 1:05 pm

Thank you both, Roger and Sandor. The question then now would be... Collonil edited his figures painted? How common or not are these figures?
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I don't know if Collonil offered them painted or if someone did it afterwards. The question is: Are there unpainted Collonils?
For the Zebu, it's a JEM/NOREV from the 50s, it seems that there is a series in hard plastic and another in softer plastic.
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Here is a Collonil moose for sale, it may answer a few questions or the other way around. Laughing
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Hello, please can somebody help to identify this old plastic peacock from Japan? For size comparison here with modern Furuta peacock companion...[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
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I can not help. But it is a perfect example for good old unknown stuff.

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